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Post by OohMac on Sept 23, 2024 13:52:24 GMT
Ian had a tenancy to try and change the narrative and attempt to rewrite history when he feels he's in a position of power.
As others have said our record against the big teams is awful. Our record in derbies, and with large crowds is very poor. Big matches as a whole. Papa Johns the exception.
Remember too, how bad Barnsley actually were. They sacked the manager and had an interim boss. 1-3 down from the first leg and we were very fortunate to even get to Wembley.
Reading at home probably one of the best teams we could have picked. No great shakes. Had a bad week off the pitch with another botched takeover and a team who won't park the bus.
Evatt still needs to win 4 from 5. If he does then he's here for the season. I think we will fall flat again and he will be back under pressure.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 23, 2024 15:43:29 GMT
I’d really love for Evatt to turn it around but we’re basically just back to last season and I don’t see where anything’s going to change against the teams we struggled against then. As others said, when it comes to the top clubs, the local derbies and the physical ones I just don’t see where the improvements coming. The players we’ve signed don’t even look as effective as the ones we’ve lost after loans and mentally we don’t seem any stronger than we were last year. Obviously the jury’s still out and Evatt has to keep the results going to play catch up. There’s no reason we shouldn’t win our next five so let’s hope we do after which confidence may return then the real test begins as some tougher tasks come along. Every game now must be torture for IE so let’s see if he’s up to it?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 23, 2024 15:48:06 GMT
Is he still here
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Post by OohMac on Sept 25, 2024 11:22:14 GMT
I'd have taken Steve Bruce for the season personally. Leave this out there. After 3 wins and his latest victory against who other than Huddersfield. Genuinely think football moves in circles and although The Athletic may think some managers who can't put a PowerPoint together belong in a museum I think the trend for results based managers will rise against the possession based merchants. Crosses in the box might not be frowned on afterall.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 25, 2024 12:32:32 GMT
It’s only a matter of time OM, we just have to be patient. Sooner or later the fashion for tippy tappy will expire as managers realise the futility of it. In fairness, playing out from the back is neither new nor over technical. Unless the keeper hoofs it forward everything is played out from the back just not with players standing on the 6 yard box which I still can understand and as yet nobody’s explained to me a good reason why? I imagine it’ll take a bit longer for us with Evatt so steeped in it and it may even take a new manager coming in to change it. Maybe I’m just old fashioned but I still can’t see better than two wingers belting down out wide beating defenders and crossing to someone who can actually head a ball. It was interesting to hear ChrisvForino describe himself as an old fashioned centre half and looking forward to heading one in at Arsenal tonight. Let’s hope he does because we need someone from corners who actually thinks like that. Anyway, it may not be possession based tonight because if we mess around at the back as we normally do I see a cricket score so let’s hope not?
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Post by chip on Sept 25, 2024 13:07:09 GMT
I was going to mention Steve Bruce 3 wins on the bounce and since Huddersfield smashed us 4-0 they have lost twice now against Northampton and Blackpool so what does that say about our team and Ian only saying COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Sept 25, 2024 16:22:44 GMT
Yeah, it's fickle but Evatt has no credit with me now. So a win puts him in black and a defeat puts him back in the red. And it he wins a few back to back then he starts to rebuild that.
Make no mistake things could turn again at Crawley. Want to excuses on Saturday.
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Post by chip on Sept 25, 2024 17:18:32 GMT
If I’m honest Ian is running into a good stretch of fixtures ie Crawley, Northampton, then Shrewsbury if things are really looking up I think three wins should help if he leaves things alone and let’s the team play. We can but dream as I’m sure getting sick of this crappy league COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 25, 2024 21:54:18 GMT
If I’m honest Ian is running into a good stretch of fixtures ie Crawley, Northampton, then Shrewsbury if things are really looking up I think three wins should help if he leaves things alone and let’s the team play. We can but dream as I’m sure getting sick of this crappy league COYWM You’d like to think it’s a good stretch of fixtures chip but if we keep giving chances away at the back as we have been doing no fixture is in any way a given. At least the next few games should give us an idea where we are going because if we can win them then we should be back up in the running but any failures and I think the clamour for a new manager will grow again. As OM says he’s got very little credit in the bank at the moment and the only way to build it back is through wins. Our competitors will know that and try to frustrate us because they’ve all worked out Evatt’s system so the Crawleys and Northamptons could actually be the ones who are his undoing. Time will tell but every game for a while will be a test for IE so I hope he’s up to it?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 26, 2024 8:37:59 GMT
If I’m honest Ian is running into a good stretch of fixtures ie Crawley, Northampton, then Shrewsbury if things are really looking up I think three wins should help if he leaves things alone and let’s the team play. We can but dream as I’m sure getting sick of this crappy league COYWM You’d like to think it’s a good stretch of fixtures chip but if we keep giving chances away at the back as we have been doing no fixture is in any way a given. At least the next few games should give us an idea where we are going because if we can win them then we should be back up in the running but any failures and I think the clamour for a new manager will grow again. As OM says he’s got very little credit in the bank at the moment and the only way to build it back is through wins. Our competitors will know that and try to frustrate us because they’ve all worked out Evatt’s system so the Crawleys and Northamptons could actually be the ones who are his undoing. Time will tell but every game for a while will be a test for IE so I hope he’s up to it? He could have built up some credit with a ‘respectable’ defeat last night whereby we were combative, aggressive, tactically better than previous games but beaten by far superior quality, but, alas, all I’m reading today is the usual ‘play out from the back’ mistakes, Evatt’s trademark I didn’t watch it last night, preferring to play 7 a side in Salford and I’m sure I enjoyed myself better than those poor buggers, all 4000 of them that went down to the Emirates Stats - Bolton Possession - 23% Shots on target - 1 Shots off target - 3 Once you’re numbers up in the managerial merry go round, your on a hiding to nothing and only solid, convincing wins like the Reading game are going to save you. You are on borrowed time Evatt
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 26, 2024 12:03:25 GMT
Only solid, convincing wins like Reading rioch? Did you miss that one as well because there was nothing solid or convincing about it and the score entirely flattered us and could easily have been very different. There’s no way that Evatt’s going to change, or even adapt his system, he’s just so committed to it and certain he will succeed with it and if he had the right players capable of playing it he well might but sadly last night yet again confirmed we don’t for me. Our defence is just awful and they just look to me like they’ve just met, no cohesion or coordination when under pressure. I know Arsenal are excellent but we could have shut them down for at least 3 of their goals if not four and anybody who thinks Southwood is an uplift from Coleman is I think going to be disappointed as he was responsible for at least two goals himself. I’d love to see us take maximum points from our next run of games but honestly I just don’t see it. Clubs have sussed us out and there seems to be only IE who doesn’t see it?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 26, 2024 15:44:25 GMT
Only solid, convincing wins like Reading rioch? Did you miss that one as well because there was nothing solid or convincing about it and the score entirely flattered us and could easily have been very different. There’s no way that Evatt’s going to change, or even adapt his system, he’s just so committed to it and certain he will succeed with it and if he had the right players capable of playing it he well might but sadly last night yet again confirmed we don’t for me. Our defence is just awful and they just look to me like they’ve just met, no cohesion or coordination when under pressure. I know Arsenal are excellent but we could have shut them down for at least 3 of their goals if not four and anybody who thinks Southwood is an uplift from Coleman is I think going to be disappointed as he was responsible for at least two goals himself. I’d love to see us take maximum points from our next run of games but honestly I just don’t see it. Clubs have sussed us out and there seems to be only IE who doesn’t see it? You’re so spot on W63, I don’t know what came over me, maybe the end result was ruling my post, rather than the actual football I witnessed and you are right, it was far from convincing, but then, if we win every game unconvincingly by the same score, you’ll not hear me complaining
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Post by OohMac on Sept 27, 2024 17:43:40 GMT
Think the convincing element came from the timing of the goals. Early start and when they scored we went and put the margins back in our favour. Doesn't tell the story but listening to the radio, as I did, it seemed like 3 points most of the day.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 27, 2024 20:56:39 GMT
Yes your right OM we did deserve the points but it certainly could have turned out very differently but still as Rioch says we’ll take results like that all season. 😁
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Post by OohMac on Oct 1, 2024 9:04:07 GMT
All summer I've drawn comparisons with Evatt and Evatt Ten Haag. Was amazed yesterday when the statement was released "ETH to stay for now".
Both managers have used up thier excuses and I'm amazed but clubs are taking this approach. Imagine the national, if not world wide, headlines if ETH stayed and a first team coach was sacked.
Ten Haags downfall I think will be Ruud waiting in the wing. Evatts clever in that he's put in place Silent Pete and diluted Crainey (i.e nothing to add).
Imagine if he did have a David Lee, Kevin Davies, Nolan in the mix.
Anyway. I said Evatts living hand to mouth and he's actually bought himself time with two wins. So if he builds on it then fair enough but with both I can see it being one step forward two back and ultimately both will fail.
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