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Post by OohMac on Sept 16, 2024 19:42:40 GMT
Like the Neil Hart to MK Don's story everyone knew but no one was there to confirm. And no one knows why.
I'm really angry with the club at the moment. Feels like a real lack of respect to not state your intentions.
I'm still wondering whether Sharon really just wants to give Ian his big night out at the Emirates, have his Rioja with Arteta. Mikkel may want to pick his brain. And after that it's back to last chance saloon.
Wonder what this does for morale? No doubt we all need a reset.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 17, 2024 10:14:58 GMT
"Based purely on games in the bottom two tiers, Rioch leads the way on 56.8 per cent win rate via his promotion winning 1992/93 season, with Evatt and Parkinson now level pegging on 50 per cent, Jimmy Armfield on 45.6 per cent and Phil Neal on 37.6 per cent."
some good stats clarifying Evatt's win % & others in todays BN article. Rioch significantly above Evatt when only comparing like with like. but then again even that has to be refined. Rioch didn't manage in the 4th tier. so you can strip Evatts 4th tier results from that.
and a further clarification on being level with Parky. Parky's up-phase with moderate cash & a 1st year promotion will be better. his will only be being dragged down by the down-phase ( of financial meltdown ) where he had to play all the kids.
even Phil Neal matches him for achievements.... with less financial backing no doubt... tinpot trophy win & 4th tier promotion.
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Post by one2many on Sept 17, 2024 10:49:42 GMT
Spot on. I also thought it strange that he boasted about keeping BWFC in the third division for three years. Perhaps back to back promotions was too much to ask but there is no doubt that the last two seasons are failures. Personally I would not say that is doing "too well".
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 17, 2024 15:36:01 GMT
Anyone heard of Jimmy Thelin???
I know it’s only SPL but apparently he’s ripping up that league with Aberdeen and the Dons faithful are raving about his attacking stylish forward play!!!
Just a thought for when we’re looking for our next boss after Saturdays home defeat
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Post by OohMac on Sept 17, 2024 21:18:25 GMT
Anyone heard of Jimmy Thelin??? I know it’s only SPL but apparently he’s ripping up that league with Aberdeen and the Dons faithful are raving about his attacking stylish forward play!!! Just a thought for when we’re looking for our next boss after Saturdays home defeat I'm not sure who he is either but evatt was one or those managers at Barrowcelona. Like Coyle, Freedman and Lennon at Burnley, Palace, Celtic you're first job can be the easiest. Especially if you have the tools. What happens when you take a hit? Can you adapt? Can you rely on your experience and dig deep? In all those cases no. I think we need a bit more of a nuanced manager someone who is largely successful but isn't just a flash in the pan.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 18, 2024 8:26:34 GMT
Anyone heard of Jimmy Thelin??? I know it’s only SPL but apparently he’s ripping up that league with Aberdeen and the Dons faithful are raving about his attacking stylish forward play!!! Just a thought for when we’re looking for our next boss after Saturdays home defeat I'm not sure who he is either but evatt was one or those managers at Barrowcelona. Like Coyle, Freedman and Lennon at Burnley, Palace, Celtic you're first job can be the easiest. Especially if you have the tools. What happens when you take a hit? Can you adapt? Can you rely on your experience and dig deep? In all those cases no. I think we need a bit more of a nuanced manager someone who is largely successful but isn't just a flash in the pan. Go on??
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2024 9:31:23 GMT
I'm not sure who he is either but evatt was one or those managers at Barrowcelona. Like Coyle, Freedman and Lennon at Burnley, Palace, Celtic you're first job can be the easiest. Especially if you have the tools. What happens when you take a hit? Can you adapt? Can you rely on your experience and dig deep? In all those cases no. I think we need a bit more of a nuanced manager someone who is largely successful but isn't just a flash in the pan. Go on?? Not sure. Obviously Big Sam fits the bill as does Warnock. Would Dean Smith come back from MLS? Holloway? Schumacher, Lowe or as I've said Big Sam gave his Leeds coach Karl Robinson a glowing reference. Could he step up? I'd have taken Steve Bruce for the season personally.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 18, 2024 10:17:39 GMT
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here because I don’t think Evatt’s going anywhere soon. I expect a win on Saturday and whilst it may be a squeaky bum one any win will do at the moment to restore some confidence. I don’t say that to mean I have faith in Evatt going forward because I’ve run out of that but we now have a run of games which should be difficult not to take points. We do still have a good squad and if a few of those who’ve been underperforming suddenly wake up results should follow and we’ll be off to the races again. It’s still very early days in the season so plenty of time to make up and with more competition in the league this year teams will be taking points off each other giving us a chance to catch up. Of course failure on Saturday changes everything so for me I think I’d go for Schumacher who has proved he can do the job.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2024 11:42:12 GMT
Not sure Whites. In theory you'd think that Evatt could get them pumped up and beat a Reading team who again have seen a deal break down. So should be dejected. But once that's doubt and confidence has gone it's hard to click fingers.
I'm not sure what the atmosphere will be like. It's the first game in ever imagine that even before a balls kicked fans are unhappy.
Missed Ainsworth off the list too, even Pulis if we don't mind those tactics. Which for 12-18months I wouldn't.
Heres a list of managers that have done what Ian couldn't
Leam Richardson, Paul Warne, Alex Neil, Steve Schumacher, Keiran McKella, Darren Moore, John Mousinho, Paul Warne(hello again) and Des Buckinhgam.
Are those elite managers. Or have all the clubs spent so much and had so much more than Ians being given. Course not.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 18, 2024 12:17:40 GMT
Not sure. Obviously Big Sam fits the bill as does Warnock. Would Dean Smith come back from MLS? Holloway? Schumacher, Lowe or as I've said Big Sam gave his Leeds coach Karl Robinson a glowing reference. Could he step up? I'd have taken Steve Bruce for the season personally. I do think Steve Bruce has a free hit. If he has them in the top 6 come the end of season, which I think he will, that will be a success for them. Actually hoped we’d get a Big Sam Brucey reunion Aberdeen found their new manager from Sweden, do we have to start looking at foreign grounds. Do we go down the route of Steven Clemence from Barrow before he becomes the next McKenna Schumacher Lowe Buckingham Dread sticking with Evatt
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
I'm not sure what he's even doing these days but in the initial FV talk wasn't Mark Warburton either a minor stakeholder or a sort of man on the football side. Sure he was going to take the reigns?
I can't give names but I'm sure we must be one of the biggest teams never to have had a foreign coach.
Watching Birmingham Blue Sox Vs Disney Dragons (rioch called then Netflix FC but they are Disney) was a great game and surely American ownership hedgefunds and consortiums will now see the appeal of a lower league club with solid fan base to build from.
We must be a great prospect for that market now. Point being I'm not sure Sharon wants to be carrying on for all that much longer. Sure she said so herself.
Hart going, still not heard a valid reason. The Times they might just be a changing
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 18, 2024 15:39:53 GMT
Yes I think the ownership would be more in question than a new manager if Evatt did leave and I certainly think this is last chance saloon for both Ian and Sharon to hit their 5 year target even for the Championship but then we still don’t really know the depth of the Swiss guys influence. As I said I still hope we’re premature writing IE off because he has the time to make the adjustments necessary to turn things around.
Surely he must now accept that a change of thinking is necessary? Not massive wholesale changes just a realisation that his basic principles aren’t working or his players can’t deliver on them. If he can’t do that and continues to deny the obvious then I have no sympathy with him and he should go. Of course the other question is are the players still all behind him or are there doubts appearing in some of the squad? Who knows but for now I’m still hoping he can turn it around so for now it’s as you were.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 18, 2024 19:20:49 GMT
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 18, 2024 21:33:45 GMT
I thought the MK manager was well sought after having done an excellent job of reviving 5hem after relegation? It’s amazing how the hills and valleys for football managers alternate as we’re now seeing with zine. If we lose on Saturday, which I don’t think we will actually, MK might be an option for Ian? 🥴
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2024 22:18:31 GMT
Isn't Neil Hart a commercial man rather than footballing.
More to do with memberships, bus cancellations and private parking than hiring.
But what I think is odd and again I've not read into this too much is that he was replaced by Phil Mason. Wasn't he the priest/chaplain?
Again could be completely wrong but there's very odd smells coming out of the club.
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