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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 19, 2024 6:19:31 GMT
So the cats finally out of the bag as George reveals that the reason things aren’t working just now is because Evatts football is so technical to prepare the players for life in the Championship when they get there and that some of the players aren’t getting it. Well slap my thigh and I thought we were in L1 and we might be preparing players to be better than the ones in here first? I’ve nothing against recruiting players who you believe might thrive at a higher level, that makes sense but surely the important thing is to ensure they can compete at the level they’re at first? Worry about the next level when you get there but come on Ian, concentrate on the job in hand because whatever you teach them the fact is most of these won’t be good enough if and when we do go up.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 19, 2024 11:01:10 GMT
So the cats finally out of the bag as George reveals that the reason things aren’t working just now is because Evatts football is so technical to prepare the players for life in the Championship when they get there and that some of the players aren’t getting it. Well slap my thigh and I thought we were in L1 and we might be preparing players to be better than the ones in here first? I’ve nothing against recruiting players who you believe might thrive at a higher level, that makes sense but surely the important thing is to ensure they can compete at the level they’re at first? Worry about the next level when you get there but come on Ian, concentrate on the job in hand because whatever you teach them the fact is most of these won’t be good enough if and when we do go up. groan. i know. we've heard that one before. this was all the rage when Rotherham and Wigan went up. & their fans gave back plenty stick about it. i explained at the time how Rotherham probably wouldn't stay for long in that Div...mainly due to the size of the club. within no time their best players were poached mainly by local rivals sheff wed.... ihekwe & michael smith to name but 2. Wigan might have stood a chance but financials did for them. it's just an excuse for Evatt to continually buy more time. just like the PL in 5 seasons is. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/10343/Stages/23427/TeamStatistics/England-Championship-2024-2025Derby are rock bottom for possession, and Blackburn and Sunderland both in bottom 5. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/derby-county/tableyet in the real lge table sunderland and bl'burn in top 3. and derby top 8. Oxford 7th. i can see Oxford slipping a bit, but you never know. again, more to do with size of club. do too well, key players get poached from clubs higher up the pecking order. there is a tiny grain of truth in it of course. sides can get over-promoted too quickly. Luton though they gave it a hell of a good try, were always going to struggle in the PL. put up a far better fight than Burnley. but Luton can't say we won't go up. you go up, get the money, and re-build the foundations better. also..hows this passing out style helped Burnley and Soton in PL. his (dogmatic) arguments are held in a fact free vacuum in his head !!?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 19, 2024 11:09:35 GMT
I should add Bristol are 2nd for possession but in 17th in the real table. with 1 win in 5 games.
sometimes it's just better players keep possession better anyway naturally. trying to have " artificially" high ( and slow) possession by passing it around side to side between centre backs is just trying to mimic top level stuff without really understanding it.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 19, 2024 11:12:37 GMT
George comment sounds really bad and it sums it all up for me. I'm sure he will say its out of context but the quote, from BN, "We are coached in a way that a lot of league one teams are not...we are being asked to do more complicated patterns of play than the teams who go front to back quickly, win second balls, duels, play for set plays. That's all fine but we don't want to do it"
Well get me a manager and set of players that do want to please.
Again if you read that to a Big Sam, Pulis, Warnock they wouldn't believe thier ears.
In fact not even a Pep could see the sense in that. Man City don't often lose second balls, duels at all.
Evatts in a club of 1 if he thinks that but in truth I can well believe it because I've seen it. Zero interest in set pieces. Said a few times. He's like a showboating boxer who wants to fight in an exhibition. Show everyone his skill. But we're not in an exhibition were in a scrap and the other team want it more. Has Stephen Crainey not told him this because I thought that was what he came in to do?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 19, 2024 12:14:01 GMT
George comment sounds really bad and it sums it all up for me. I'm sure he will say its out of context but the quote, from BN, "We are coached in a way that a lot of league one teams are not...we are being asked to do more complicated patterns of play than the teams who go front to back quickly, win second balls, duels, play for set plays. That's all fine but we don't want to do it" Well get me a manager and set of players that do want to please. Again if you read that to a Big Sam, Pulis, Warnock they wouldn't believe thier ears. In fact not even a Pep could see the sense in that. Man City don't often lose second balls, duels at all. Evatts in a club of 1 if he thinks that but in truth I can well believe it because I've seen it. Zero interest in set pieces. Said a few times. He's like a showboating boxer who wants to fight in an exhibition. Show everyone his skill. But we're not in an exhibition were in a scrap and the other team want it more. Has Stephen Crainey not told him this because I thought that was what he came in to do? I would hazard a guess that the only people who maybe said something to him were Matt Craddock and the person from the analysis team that have lost their jobs.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 21, 2024 13:12:53 GMT
Shocked that he’s even still here and allowed to carry on And looking at todays team sheet suggests nothing been learnt and nothings been changed Watching Chelsea tearing a strip off Wet Spam and it’s all so Evatt like No wonder the Hammers are getting Hammered Lopotegui? Evatt more like
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Post by chip on Sept 21, 2024 15:07:42 GMT
Ohh Mr Ian is loving his halftime cuppa but there’s still plenty of time in our season to get all this fxcking about sorted out COYWM
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 21, 2024 15:17:07 GMT
Just seen Northampton go 3-0 up at Huddersfield and you should the booos
Wow
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 21, 2024 15:19:11 GMT
Oh dear
Santos you fkn knob
Wonder if Evatt did his famous ‘half time team talk’ as we’ve turned out like we did v Huddersfield for this second half
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Post by OohMac on Sept 21, 2024 18:21:53 GMT
Odd one with Rico. I think had the captaincy been resolved in the summer it would be all done and dusted and he could have moved on. Like Joe Root. Better without the burden.
The fact that it came last week makes me think it was a tipping point decision. Craddock to go, Santos "stripped" of it. Again in the summer it's just a decision, good for George. He's been here longest. It's his path but to be stripped of it must be a bitter pill to swallow.
I like the Santos that wants to have a duel. I don't like Beckenbauer Santos and I don't like injured yet inexplicably still playing Santos.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 22, 2024 17:16:22 GMT
I know I’m on a rant all the time about Pep ball and how it can be somewhat boring, I’m here, at 76 minutes, City 2-1 down and a recent stat of passes 105-2 for City (obvs cos the Arse are down to 10 men) but City pass pass pass when shots on target might have been more fruitful.
Theres no way Arse will leave the Emptyhad with 3 points based on City’s possession in the second half but then, the Cityzens fears to actually shoot at target , preferring to do yet one more pass, could prove to be their down fall and I only hope our leader is noticing this
This could prove to be the best 3 points Arteta has ever earned
Watch and learn Evatt, if you’re still here after the Crawley game
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Post by OohMac on Sept 22, 2024 17:44:02 GMT
Was a frustrating game to watch. City were very poor at crossing and shooting. So whenever they tried to score it was detrimental. There was zero overlapping. Trying to get to the byline.
I was thinking has Pep ruined Grealish because he would be one to take on his man, three men, but he was complying. The equaliser came from Grealish going rogue and taking his man on, getting a low cross in and winning a corner.
I'm glad Arsenal didn't win, not so much for the 7-2 formation, that's fine. But the cramp every 3 minutes kills it. You could see Michael Oliver really wanting to get on with it but he's powerless really when the ball goes out of play.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 23, 2024 8:19:57 GMT
Was a frustrating game to watch. City were very poor at crossing and shooting. So whenever they tried to score it was detrimental. There was zero overlapping. Trying to get to the byline. I was thinking has Pep ruined Grealish because he would be one to take on his man, three men, but he was complying. The equaliser came from Grealish going rogue and taking his man on, getting a low cross in and winning a corner. I'm glad Arsenal didn't win, not so much for the 7-2 formation, that's fine. But the cramp every 3 minutes kills it. You could see Michael Oliver really wanting to get on with it but he's powerless really when the ball goes out of play. Yeah OooooooooM The darkest of arts used by the Arsenal and why wouldn’t you! City have held the trophy for the last 6 seasons and it’s difficult at the best of times 11 v 11, so yeah, use every trick in the book to secure the win and it almost happened
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 23, 2024 8:45:21 GMT
So according to Evatt the only reason we didn’t go up last year was injuries! Somebody might tell him that Derby had more injuries than we did yet still managed to make it. His mistake was overreacting to our hilarious problem at Wembley despite the fact we should never have been there in the first place had we not thrown away the games in hand we had previously. So now he’s going back to just that plan after throwing his new one away and despite the fact that he’s spent millions bringing in players to suit his new and now abandoned system! All that money spent when probably all he needed was one really good, experienced defensive midfielder and a good left wing back. So it’s basically same players, same system, same mental fragility and still no physicality for when we come up against the scrappers. You couldn’t make it up could you because we’ve basically just told all those managers who stopped us last year knowing they can do it again this year too. I did genuinely think that after Saturday Evatt would conceded he’d been wrong and acknowledge the need to change but he’s actually not changing, just dropping his madcap new plan which has failed so dismally. If the board are happy to hear its carry on the same then I genuinely don’t know what he fed them at his meeting but if I was the Crawley coach I’d be on the phone to Des Buckingham for a few tips. My optimism has suddenly declined after Evatt confirming he’s just not for changing after all.
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Post by chip on Sept 23, 2024 10:34:42 GMT
I’m still not convinced that Ian knows what he’s talking about he says the players are very much behind him but to be honest they had to do something after what happened last Saturday against Huddersfield. I think we just have to except this season will be a tough one and just finish as high up the table as we can. How long has Ian got left on his contract ? because maybe if things don’t go well they could split amicably who knows. COYWM
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