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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 15:09:44 GMT
No matter what idea's they come up with to re-start the season, it will be the players and insurance companies that ultimately have the final say.
I'm sure that most insurance companies will rule out pandemics being covered in any future contracts. Same will go for us when we're travelling.
Would you insure a player given that the pandemic is not over and there is no vaccine?
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Post by Pedro on May 5, 2020 12:51:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 21:18:16 GMT
You were saying Pedro? We're all in suspense.
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Post by OohMac on May 12, 2020 20:19:40 GMT
Just to flip this thread of "How do we end this season?" Well that seems fairly easy compared to "How do we start next season?"
If L1 and L2 want to start, or EFL want, in August are all the teams plus the championship teams heamoraging money. Can the clubs come off furlough, recruit and pay the players without the obvious missing revenue.
If not would it then be a case where only the cash rich start the season in the second tier regardless of positions and previous standings. Should clubs have to "Buy in" prove that they have the means to play the season.
Way i see it a lot of clubs may be dropping into administration or worse. Is there an argument for us writing off the next season still. Youth team, free loans and prolonged trialist basically. Just to get the season gone. Then the season after really start again knowing a lot of clubs may be in a worse position.
As said cash rich clubs should storm the leagues. We will never be described in those terms but if we can keep the playing staff down(we have very few players on contracts) even for another season then we prepare to go again.
Project reset.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 12, 2020 22:03:47 GMT
The problem is OM, as much as the authorities want to get football back on the road, until there are enough people through the turnstiles, probably 90% of clubs will be insolvent and it will depend entirely on benefactors to keep them going. Even when it does come back, I can’t imagine crowds being anywhere near where they were previously for a variety of reasons and outside of the PL the numbers just don’t add up so it’s probably nailed on the some clubs will go bust. The FA has been warned many times about the widening Income gap Between the PL and the rest, including the ever escalating and damaging costs for teams trying to get there, yet have continually done nothing about it. Even the parachute payments meant to help relegated clubs creates issues. Basically there is just too big a gap now between the PL and the Championship and EFL and unless that’s removed football will suffer. We all know the wages have become absurd and I think the current situation is just highlighting it more so hopefully people will think twice about paying silly money for their Sky Sports membership and force a change at the top.
Project reset needs to be exactly that, maybe salary caps are the way to go but I’m not sure most clubs would vote for that so it’s hard to see where we go from here. From the meetings this week at least we should get some clarity on whether the seasons going to be completed and if so how. It’s inconceivable to think any games outside of the PL are going to happen so it probably comes down to some kind of artificially calculated placings and if that happens, expect the courts to be very busy for those who miss out!
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Post by kenglowhite on May 13, 2020 9:16:58 GMT
It is clear to me that the game of football is now controlled by about six clubs. Forget the FA, the EFL and Uncle Tom Cobbley at EUFA and FIFA. These clubs catch all the best young players. scoop up at high cost those at home and abroad who escaped their vast scouting networks, and therefore receive most of the revenues generated by the game, be it TV, sponsorship, player sales, or gate receipts. In turn media pundiys feed off the situation uncritically feeding off the situation. There is nothing in place to stop them except perhaps COVID-19. Even now as they flounder in a sea of uncertainty they cannot see what harm the Premier League has done to the game and its grass roots. Is there anyone around of stature in football or in the Government who can see what we can see and who might strive to give it back to us, the people who created it? Gary Neville, a Boltonian, is doing his best to get the season shit down, but is surrounded by a sea of Carraghers who remain in cloud cuckoo land.I wonder what we would have felt if this situation had arisen in 2008.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 13, 2020 12:50:37 GMT
Great post Kenglo, you’re so right, it isn’t the PL in total but the big six who are creating the problem for the reasons you mention. That’s exactly why I speculated that this may be the time for those big six to break away completely and along with other major football countries, form a European league leaving an opportunity for the rest of us to create a genuinely competitive 4 division system. They could still be invited to take part in the FA Cup and enjoy “Derbies” such as Arsenal v Chelsea or Spurs, or United v Ciry or Liverpool so the fans should be content with that as well as games against the giants of Munich, Madrid and Milan. I suppose the big problem is that the other PL clubs would not want to lose the golden geese and fear that doing so will reduce their earnings too, which I suppose is true. Unless change is forced on the PL I’m afraid nothing major will change and at the moment I don’t see any figure or organisation ready to stand up and do that. Sadly they all, including the government via taxes, feed from the same trough so any major or meaningful change is unlikely.
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Post by OohMac on May 14, 2020 8:04:49 GMT
Was thinking that if ever a time came for a Euro Super League it would be now. (Although travel would be problematic, not impossible)
Big 6 wont want equal spoils with say PSG, Porto or Ajax whos leagues arent anywhere near the product that EPL have.
And of course you will find fault with the big 6 concept. Spurs? Hang on they've won nowt. Arent Everton bigger than Spurs. Wouldnt any team have done a Man City. Are Wolves on the cusp?
Bury went, we almost went, Macclesfield look likely to go, probably the agent that got Harry Maguire his move earned enough from that deal to save all 3 clubs. Then you get phoney Jim White, whos heart bleeds for these clubs one minute then puts his yellow tie on for the evening slot and grins away as he tells us how "400M has been spent today" cant hide his joy in panic buyers for bang average footballers.
See the championship is trying to push on and complete. I cant see how they think they're different. Many dont have the funds just getting more and more debt. The only difference is thay they are attached to the premier league who i suspect may foot the bill just so they can return. EFL probably in a great position to say to EPL we need money for all our members to make sure they can all restart next season so before we start 2nd tier what are your plans for the other members?
But will probably cower and come back with "Good news, more parachute payments for Villa and Co"
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Post by andyl on May 14, 2020 9:24:14 GMT
I'm not optimistic of sense but here's a thought
Why not have a season ( Jan- Jan maybe deferrable/ advanceable) with
All EFL 1 clubs, EFL 2 clubs plus 2/3 from below in one league. 50% home 50% away drawn at random. No embargoes, no administration penalties. End of season- divisions formed for next campaign maybe play offs as now for last pchampionship place. All with fans. No closed doors. All fair. Some pooled resource - try to keep as many clubs afloat as possible- clear rules
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Post by whitesince63 on May 14, 2020 10:27:10 GMT
We can all come up with different ideas and solutions but at the end of the day there’s nothing wrong with the current system other than the totally unfair distribution of funds. Sort that and ensure that every club gets a fair share of the spoils and the jobs sorted. Unfortunately, the pure greed and self interest of the PL has ruined football at every other level in this country and if anyone is to blame it must be the FA and the government who they are ultimately answerable to. It does need a reset but starting from the top and until sport is preferred over money it just won’t happen.
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Post by OohMac on May 14, 2020 16:36:43 GMT
Not sure Whites, take the leagues as products and EPL sells worldwide.
The rest of the leagues struggle. Some of the biggest teams in England, best supported and historic are playing in Championship but the product isnt the same. Even in this country was on Channel 5, they got rid. Its now on Quest.
For some reason the EFL have dropped the ball. Championship has for year been tighter, more unpredictable, more exciting and more to play for than premier league but fails to hit home.
No one, outside the clubs involved would watch Fulham Vs Huddersfield this season. Last season in the EPL it would be shown all around the world.
EFL have failed to tap into English football. They have a great product, all the drama and some huge huge stars and they cannot get interest.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 15, 2020 7:48:44 GMT
I agree OM but isn’t that the point? All the effort, finance and publicity has gone into the PL at the expense of the rest of the divisions. I don’t have a problem with that and I realise to attract the best you have to pay but my belief is that that value doesn’t need to be where it is now. No other league in the world can match the PL for wages and conditions. Sure the very top clubs in Spain, Italy and Germany maybe but only the very few top clubs whilst all of ours pay silly money for basically average players just because they can. Even with our riches we still can’t attract Or keep the very top players who go to the likes of Madrid Barcelona or Milan. The PL has done nothing but force up prices to the detriment of the rest of English football and it has to change. More of the cake must be passed to the rest of our league if it is to survive. Championship clubs shouldn’t be encouraged to take on such huge debts to reach the promised land, the gaps just too big and then requires excessive and disruptive parachute payments For clubs coming down. The whole thing needs a rethink but predominantly a financial rethink.
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Post by davidm on May 15, 2020 12:59:51 GMT
Still no decision
"League One clubs have failed to agree whether to end the season early following discussions with the English Football League.
Friday's meeting involving all 23 League One sides came after six clubs had said they were determined to complete their remaining fixtures.
The league was halted on 13 March amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The clubs will meet again next week, while teams in League Two are due to carry out discussions later on Friday.
on Thursday Peterborough United, Oxford United, Sunderland, Fleetwood, Portsmouth and Ipswich Town released a joint statement saying they had "no desire for voiding the season, points-per-game scenarios or letting a computer decide our footballing fate""
It all comes down to vested interests doesn't it and how can that be solved?
Teams with nothing to play for don't want to play and it will cost money to do so.
Teams fearing relegation can see an escape route with a null and void season.
Teams just outside the promotion spots want to continue in the hope of squeezing into the last promotion spot.
So vested interests everywhere.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 15, 2020 17:05:08 GMT
I can’t believe there aren’t more than 6 of the 23 clubs who don’t want to play, for one reason or another. I can well understand those close to the promotion positions wanting to conclude the games but I find it hard to believe there’s a majority for it. As for any legal action against the EFL if it isn’t completed, surely if a majority vote for that they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on? As you say davidm, it’s all about vested interests but then when was it not these days?
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Post by OohMac on May 16, 2020 6:23:31 GMT
I can’t believe there aren’t more than 6 of the 23 clubs who don’t want to play, for one reason or another. I can well understand those close to the promotion positions wanting to conclude the games but I find it hard to believe there’s a majority for it. As for any legal action against the EFL if it isn’t completed, surely if a majority vote for that they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on? As you say davidm, it’s all about vested interests but then when was it not these days? Only 6 want to play whites, so 17 either dont want to or at least havent expressed any interest. Just read a piece from Port Vale chairwoman who miss out on play off and had every opportunity of making it. She voted to stop, as did all L2. She talks about how hard that will be for her manager, players and fans to accept but how it needed to be done. Sensible, not wallowing in self pity. Very honourable.
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