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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2020 17:28:42 GMT
As you say OM, all those involving themselves in restarting the season and that does mean everyone involved as you listed, must agree to self isolate for the full 56 day period the FA consider it would take. That is the only way that it could be done without contravening the current government restrictions. Given Boris’s reluctance to even consider relaxing restrictions so far it seems highly unlikely that football could be reintroduced without special dispensation and if that did happen I’m sure there would be a massive question to ask. It’s clear that talks are going on with the football authorities behind closed doors but surely without a general opening up of things, football must adhere to the same rules as everyone else. As you say, if the PL clubs all agree, acknowledge them as champions but no way should any other position be given without all games being played and if they can’t then just cancel.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 29, 2020 17:47:52 GMT
Yes i was working on 56 and then a 14 day buffer of pure self isolating so if they caught anything on last game then they have that time to sit in a caravan and stew it over.
I love the arrogance of football.
Olympics off, Wimbledon off, Cricket off, Boxing off, Open off. Everything else postponed. Football? We'll play 10 games in 54 days. Easy.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
As Gary Neville is honest enough to admit, if it wasn’t for the finance there would be no resumption of football and it stinks. Oliver Dowden of the Government says he’s doing everything to let the season complete on the basis that he wants all businesses to resume when possible. We’ve also got the a Police Chief saying that only essential games should be played!! What the hell does that mea, who decides what’s essential? It really does constantly prove that those involved in and around football believe they are a special case and that everybody is desperate to watch football again when I just think most people are only interested in staying safe. Everybody knows that if Liverpool or Leeds say play games, even behind closed doors or on neutral grounds, groups of fans will gather. Let’s just hope that common sense prevails and football is firmly told it isn’t special and will not be allowed to resume until restrictions are relaxed for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:42:10 GMT
Another day, another story in the dailies. This one from the DM. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8273317/EFL-players-told-likely-season-NOT-finished-coronavirus-tests-needed.htmlThe EFL below the Championship should not expect the season to finish, standings decided on the sporting merit system. Apparently, too many testing kits would be needed. Fans are not expected to enter stadiums before January, that's if your club survive. I mentioned it before, but I can see part-time players in Lg 1+2. The PL may revert to the French system to place the standings, but certain teams want to play the season out. Deluded. The more I read about football in the current climate, the more I could care less about it.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 1, 2020 7:34:43 GMT
Well done Sergio for finally being brave enough to come out and state the fears most sensible players must be feeling regarding starting the season. It can’t possibly be the physical game that it has to be and the dangers to players families just can’t be underestimated. It’s clear that many more players feel the same way as Glen Murray has intimated similar concerns and it wouldn’t surprise me if a growing number of other players come out with the same concerns now the cats out of the bag. It’s ok for ex players like Carragher and football officials who don’t personally have to take these risks to pontificate on it but it’s not their lives or families lives at risk. Just accept the fact it’s not safe to resume, take whatever action you consider appropriate but stop the nonsense of starting games again before it’s properly safe to do so as before and with crowds.
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Post by kenglowhite on May 1, 2020 8:39:02 GMT
Now there is this new theory about that the PL will increase to 23 clubs with no relegation,three clubs promoted from the Championship, and this pattern followed throughout the EFL leagues except that 4 clubs would need to be promoted to league One from League 2, and similarly from the National League to League 2 with the current season voided and Liverpool declared PL champions and the new season started ASAP.
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Post by boris on May 1, 2020 11:35:20 GMT
As Gary Neville is honest enough to admit, if it wasn’t for the finance there would be no resumption of football and it stinks. Oliver Dowden of the Government says he’s doing everything to let the season complete on the basis that he wants all businesses to resume when possible. We’ve also got the a Police Chief saying that only essential games should be played!! What the hell does that mea, who decides what’s essential? It really does constantly prove that those involved in and around football believe they are a special case and that everybody is desperate to watch football again when I just think most people are only interested in staying safe. Everybody knows that if Liverpool or Leeds say play games, even behind closed doors or on neutral grounds, groups of fans will gather. Let’s just hope that common sense prevails and football is firmly told it isn’t special and will not be allowed to resume until restrictions are relaxed for everybody. Hear, hear whites. I don't always agree with you on 'tother side but I fully agree with your statement here. Football is certainly not special and must only resume when safe and other "more" important business's are allowed to re-open!
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Post by OohMac on May 1, 2020 14:24:51 GMT
Another day, another story in the dailies. This one from the DM. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8273317/EFL-players-told-likely-season-NOT-finished-coronavirus-tests-needed.htmlThe EFL below the Championship should not expect the season to finish, standings decided on the sporting merit system. Apparently, too many testing kits would be needed. Fans are not expected to enter stadiums before January, that's if your club survive. I mentioned it before, but I can see part-time players in Lg 1+2. The PL may revert to the French system to place the standings, but certain teams want to play the season out. Deluded. The more I read about football in the current climate, the more I could care less about it. If the season starts in August and gates open to public in Jan then agree i think clubs would have to play kids, free loans and possibly people who agree to play for the love of the game or on trial. So non league players may come into it. Maybe instead of a development squad premier league and championship clubs could make thier non first team all available for free and the loan restrictions lifted.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 11:35:32 GMT
I’ve been following this with interest and apart from us, Southend and I think Stevenage that are almost certainly going to be relegated the season has to be finished only when it’s safe to do so. It would be unfair to relegate a team who let’s face it has a great chance of staying up even Norwich so play on. Finish it by all means but with no relegation 3 teams up from the championship and league one 4 up from the second division and I think I’m right in saying 3 from non league and next season they can work it out how many goes up and down. Easy really just needs a bit of tweaking stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 12:42:06 GMT
I think the consensus on here chip is: cancel, null and void... etc.
Think about it. Adding more teams to the divisions with no relegation. It makes a mockery of their complaining of fixture build ups, winter breaks etc.
It's so complicated that a cancelled season is in everyone's best interest apart from L'pool and the money. The money is the big stumbling block. As whites says, perhaps we'll get back to reality with wages when all this is over, hopefully.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 3, 2020 8:06:53 GMT
I think the money in the Championship and to be fair one or two EFL clubs below that like Peterborough paying high wages in the hope of promotion, would certainly seek legal action if the league decided to promote teams on a ppg basis. Every year a team comes out of the pack for promotion or falls from the pack to relegation. For example, how often does the team finishing 3rd in the Championship lose in the play offs? Football is such an unpredictable game, especially at the end of the season when strange results regularly happen. If there were only 2 or 3 games left then certainly you could make an argument for basing positions on ppg but surely not with a quarter of the season to go? We all know how unfair the play off situation is anyway when after 42 games, a Championship team finishing 3rd on merit are forced to win through and that in itself is all about money and keeping the season going for longer but that’s what makes teams in the top ten keep going too so the league saying you can just decide by ppg played is ridiculous and just undermines the basis of the play off system. Sadly I think the money situation in football at the top end is so ingrained into everything they do these days that getting them to change is nigh on impossible. You would like to think that if the PL have enough money and capability to provide tests for the 500 people required for each game remaining that they would spend it on front line and essential workers before footballers, many of whom don’t want to risk playing anyway as is now becoming clear. Now that would be one change I’m sure we would like to see from football?
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Post by OohMac on May 3, 2020 9:25:07 GMT
I dont doubt that teams will seek legal action and those words we will here over and over again whatever happens. But isnt legal action costly and wont any legal case be thrown out on the basis on some pretty straight forward questions.
"Did you have enough points in March to secure promotion? Were you 100% guaranteed to win those remaining games? Did you expect the games to be played under these restrictions?"
Answer is no, no and no. Go away.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 3, 2020 10:00:00 GMT
Listened to Mark Drayford, First Minister of Wales on Marr this morning trying to respond to the care home crisis in Wales where the increase in CV deaths has been described as a wildfire. Marr asked him why they had dropped their initial target for testing of 5,000 a day and his response basically that it was a distraction because they didn’t have the testing kit available. Asked under the circumstances why everybody entering care homes, residents and staff weren’t tested he replied that medical advice was that it wasn’t necessary. I’m getting fed up of politicians everywhere using medical advice as an excuse for inaction over testing. It’s perfectly clear that there is a lack of availability of testing kits and yet according to the PL they have sourced enough kits to satisfy their own demands for players to be able to resume the season. Once again this stinks of football selfishness and should it happen that players and others involved are tested at the expense of more important individuals, yes sorry football, more important that your poncie, overpaid prima donnas let’s hope the backlash is long and loud. The more they protest about playing the more disgusted I become with the whole lot of them. If it wasn’t so inappropriate I’d wish them a plague on all their houses!!
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Post by OohMac on May 3, 2020 15:40:03 GMT
Whites ive just read an article which i imagine would make your blood boil. Some agent based in Australia saying how good an idea it would be to send all premier league squads to Perth to finish the season.
Quote "Teams tour Australia for pre-season tours so i cant see what the difference is".
He cannot see the difference between one or two squads going on tour for a week or two and ALL squads going on a forced 7 week during a global pandemic when only essential travel should be taken. When travel is supposed to be limited. The players dont get a say in this but presume some may not want to leave thier loved ones in these scary times to travel to the other side of the world to live isolated in a hotel and play non stop football.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 3, 2020 17:38:38 GMT
It’s just another example of the fantasy world that football and it’s hangers on live in OM. They would probably argue that cricketers and to a lesser extent rugby players make these trips for an extended period of time so why not footballers? In a normal world he may have a point but since going there would be a choice not a necessity, I can’t believe any attached player would want to leave their loved ones at such a dangerous time and for so long a period. Even single guys would probably question leaving parents and grandparents whilst they went off on their jolly. The more you listen to the crackpot ideas these people come up with the more it probably indicates the IQ level of people in and around the game. It can’t be long now before sense prevails because time is running out to restart. I think the PL will work out some way of awarding the title to Liverpool but with so many games left and the financial stakes so high I can’t see any logical way they can calculate other teams positions without opening up a host of legal challenges. A sensible organisation would just have accepted the once in 100 years situation we’re in and realised that there’s nothing they can do to satisfy everybody so just accept the seasons voided, wait until it’s properly safe to play before fans and start the season from scratch. A few clubs and players might be miffed but trying to sue the authorities for it would surely just see them laughed out of court and probably do them more harm than good.
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