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Post by davidm on Mar 13, 2020 16:11:28 GMT
So, with tomorrow’s match postponed and 3 others also postponed in this month, what happens next?
The likelihood is that the virus will be starting to peak come April so, logically, more matches will need to be postponed.
Say we get to mid/end of April with no matches having been played. What does the EFL do?
In my mind, the options are:-
1. Cancel Euro 2020 and play on this season into June and July with, say a 2 week break before the new season starts in August,
2. Stop the season now and decide that all future matches are draws,
3. Stop the season now and declare this season as null and void.
None of the above options appear to be practical.
Option 1 – although it is probable that Euro 2020 will be delayed until 2021, how do we fit things such as play-offs (and for those EPL and Euro competitons) how do we complete cups?
Option 2 – totally illogical as how can we say that a top team versus a bottom team can be 0-0? Take Tranmere for instance – on a remarkable run at the moment, 3 points from safety with a game in hand would be relegated.
Option 3 is possible but get ready for major legal challenges. In this instance BWFC do not get relegated but also the likes of Leeds and West Brom do not get onto the Premier League gravy train. The questions here are endless.
And, sadly, lack of matches and lack of gate receipts could well send clubs to the wall in the next few weeks.
I have no answers to the above. BWFC not being relegated would be nice but not fair. So what do we do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 16:20:37 GMT
Live in hope
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Post by one2many on Mar 13, 2020 16:27:27 GMT
Toss a coin? Play the games on Fifa for the X Box? Tricky one isn't it?! Same questions being asked in Italy and Spain at the moment.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 14, 2020 8:56:33 GMT
Another headache is that many of our players are out of contract so our summer will or should be recruiting another 20 odd players.
Can you imagine the fall out of Villa being relegated or as you say Leeds being denied that spot.
I suppose someone a lot brighter than me could make some Lewis/Duckworth method of predicting results based on games vs standard of opposition and likelihood. Would be a bitter pill to swallow.
You could try some sort of one off american style play offs. Where you take the bottom 6 prem teams top 10 championship games and have a mini cup comp with 4 groups of 4. 4 group winners in the prem and rest in championship. But again where to play those games and expext fans not to turn up.
Personally im still in the view of show must go on. Seems inevitable that most will get it so like chicken pox may be better getting it and getting rid. So for me we would still have fixtures today.
Think most Bolton fans are honest enough to say we accept relegation rather than another -12 season. And loosen the embargo rules so we can get 5 extra squad players if nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:21:25 GMT
they could say all tables stand as is ,also if we have a very warm April things could improve and fixtures may be completed ,its in the hands of the gods so to speak .
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 14, 2020 16:51:25 GMT
I agree with OM, just play the games, live life as we were and take what comes. If it really is only a mild problem for most people of working age, then why cause all this confusion and disruption to the whole population? Take whatever actions necessary to protect those considered vulnerable and leave the rest to get on with life. There are enough deaths around the world now to factually determine those at most risk and if we know that and can quantify that once you’ve had the virus you don’t catch it again, it seems logical to let that happen as quickly as possible, not slow it down?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 14, 2020 19:34:29 GMT
What is happening to all players fitness levels if they’re told not to go to training? If there’s a total ban on players turning up to train, what are they up to?
Playing PS4/Xbox? Gardening? Driving around in fancy motors burning the fuel away Or are they stuck indoors doing nowt but eating, drinking and getting fat??
It’s a poser🤔
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:30:57 GMT
Another question may be, How do we complete the season financially?
Players still need paying, according to contract, include maintence staff etc.
Do FV have enough money to see us thro' if the season is cancelled?
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 15, 2020 10:51:38 GMT
Don’t know wots, not sure anyone does other than FV themselves but I’d think we are in a much better situation than many other clubs with more staff and much higher wage bills to find. Clearly this could have serious implications for clubs up to Championship level at least, as many are in debt now. This CV situation doesn’t look like being over for many months and it’s obvious that a number of clubs will struggle to stay alive. I just hope we aren’t one of them!
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Post by andyl on Mar 15, 2020 16:19:16 GMT
Wouldn't most of our players also be out of contract in any season extension and probably a fair few from other teams? It's very difficult. They could decide just to promote two and relegate two also and perhaps do it all on average points per game, in which case Southend would be below us and Bury gone. I'm not so sure I agree with the line that were we spared it would be unfair. The 12 pt penalty was unfair relating to a previous administration and ditto the embargo. There will now be many more clubs in the situation we were last year. If any go into administration would that be dated to this weekend and incur a 12 pt penalty this season..
In truth if we are relegated it may well be because of the form we have shown under KH rather than any penalties- and that's's perhaps the closest to a fairness argeument that can be mustered?
If the season isn't finished it is very difficult to see how anything much can change. Maybe there will be a mass play off in September between the bottom three in our league and the top five in Div 2 - or maybe the top 2 or 3..
It's an almighty mess.. Just hope we are all spared to see the outcome!!!
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Post by OohMac on Mar 15, 2020 20:30:52 GMT
Do you think that football clubs in the whole would accept a common sense.
For instance they could ask people to accept the probabilities that Liverpool would win the league, West Brom and Leeds would be promoted, Bolton and Southend relegated. And top 4 is top 4.
IF you wish to challenge your end position then behind closed games with teams. So still think you have the relegation-promotion play offs, maybe mixed in. But instead of 20 teams playing 10 you have a half a dozen free to air, behind closed doors.
It doesnt solve missing revenue, Staff wages, etc.
Other idea would be to introduce temporary leagues. So top 12 premier teams play a shorter 2020/21 season.
The bottom 8 prem teams go in an interim league with 12 top championship teams and so on. Then top 6 would go back to prem with two spots for 7th and 8th placed facing 12th and 11th in prem elite to remake the 20.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 15, 2020 22:42:04 GMT
Why complicate things trying to work around this? These are exceptional circumstances and football, just like other industries need to accept this. It might be unfair to some but the only logical solution is to void this season and start again in August, exactly as we were last year. We still have a 12 point deficit and a two year embargo just as Liverpool have to accept losing a 25 point lead. Contracts expire when they expire and the world goes on. People will die, life will change so football will just have to accept it.
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Post by one2many on Mar 16, 2020 9:41:00 GMT
Why complicate things trying to work around this? These are exceptional circumstances and football, just like other industries need to accept this. It might be unfair to some but the only logical solution is to void this season and start again in August, exactly as we were last year. We still have a 12 point deficit and a two year embargo just as Liverpool have to accept losing a 25 point lead. Contracts expire when they expire and the world goes on. People will die, life will change so football will just have to accept it. Agreed. Though had we been top of the league by 20 points my opinion might have been different
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 16, 2020 11:05:38 GMT
Well mine wouldn’t o2m and I really mean that. Football is purely secondary to what’s going on and everyone has to accept the reality of what’s happening. Personally I think the whole world has gone crazy, I just don’t believe there is any need to react the way governments are if what they say about most people suffering only mild symptoms is really true. Why should my taxes be used to support perfectly profitable businesses struggling because of politicians actions? It’s pure panic. Certainly there are vulnerable people in our society and care should be prioritised for them and if that takes money then spend it on that. Paying fit, young people to stay at home with a cough or runny nose seems ridiculous. I could go on, I’m furious about this but frankly football should finally accept that it is just a normal business and if it’s impacted negatively then that’s just tough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:08:14 GMT
It’s all well and good saying end the season as it is with all tables standing as they are now but just watched an interesting debate on sky were the Hearts chairperson has said they will seek legal advice as there are still 27 points to play for and her club are only 4 points behind. Now in my opinion Liverpool should be awarded the title and we should be relegated other than that I don’t know what we can do to end it unless we wait but for how long 🤷♂️
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