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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 27, 2020 8:49:26 GMT
Well done to the National League for cancelling their season and declaring all results null and void despite it affecting clubs involved in promotion and relegation but considering all those clubs struggling financially to keep things going and paying wages with no income. Time for the senior leagues to now think of the greater good and do the same. Will they? Unlikely due to the money involved. I listened to Andros Townsend this morning claiming all games had to be played because so much finance had been invested. When are these cretins going to realise this is about more than money? What he really means of course is that should PL football clubs close down like other businesses, he would only get 80% of his wages up to £2500 a month and how could a poor PL player possibly survive on that? Just sickening self interest as usual but then of course they could always feel good about themselves by phoning supporters!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 13:40:10 GMT
Borussia Dortmund, Bayern Munich, RB Leipzig and Bayer Leverkusen have come together to create a 20 million euros (18.3 million pounds) solidarity fund to help German clubs in the top two tiers stave off a potential financial crisis during the coronavirus pandemic. Dortmund said the four clubs, who participated in the Champions League this season, will forego their share of the national media revenue - approximately 12.5 million euros - while adding an additional 7.5 million euros of their own. "We are prepared to help out other professional football clubs if it is ultimately a matter of cushioning the financial effects of the pandemic," Dortmund CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke said in a statement www.bvb.de/eng/News/Overview/20-million-Act-of-solidarity-from-the-Champions-League-participants. Dortmund are no strangers to an economic crisis, with the club nearly going bust in 2005, before Bayern came to their rescue with an interest-free loan so they could pay their players' salaries. The DFL Executive Committee will decide on the criteria for the distribution of the solidarity fund. "The DFL Executive Committee is very thankful to the four Champions League participants for their gesture towards our community of clubs,” said Executive Committee spokesman Christian Seifert. "This initiative shows that solidarity is more than just lip service in the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2." Borussia Moenchengladbach's players and coaching staff became the first in Germany to accept pay cuts during the coronavirus crisis earlier this month while players at Union Berlin have also agreed to go without their wages. Let's see if our top clubs come to a similar agreement and help out!It's also worth noting that the players of BMgladbach and Union Berlin will forego their wages, as opposed to our lot and the greedy sods from Barcelona. No-one knows if we can even start next season's fixture list, never mind finish this one. It only makes sense to cancel the season, but we all know that bonuses won't be paid if it is. For me they can sod the lot. There's too much money in the top tier of football and the supporters need to stay away and see how they get on then. There's probably more genuine people playing for Breightmet United than this lot. Rant over lol
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 27, 2020 13:59:51 GMT
Not a rant wots, all perfectly true and valid. They’ve proved that to be the case today by cancelling the season for the lower league clubs whose owners, players and fans obviously don’t count compared to the “Big” clubs. They fought all season for promotion, the clubs would benefit financially from promotion and the fans were anticipating moving up to the next level but hey ho, we know they can’t afford to go to court about it so let’s just throw them to the wolves.
Liverpool however must not be denied their title because it’s unfair and the likes of Leeds and WBA mustn’t be denied their obscene riches from promotion. So let’s cause mayhem with contracts and sponsorship for everyone instead of upsetting the few. How many smaller clubs will we lose through this? Some were struggling before it so must be running on fresh air now. Like you I’m sick of everything in football revolving around money and that’s the only reason the season hasn’t all been cancelled for everyone. It’s time football came back to the people and not just run for obscenely paid prima donnas who don’t give a stuff for the rest, except obviously in Germany!!
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 27, 2020 14:28:52 GMT
Quite right. These star guys just rate themselves like ordinary workers who have a job, though they have hit a rich one. There is no father figure anywhere in the game who can deny them of their rights to riches former players never dreamed of and impose a sensible structure. It is time decisions such as proposals for the future of football were left in the hands of people with empathy with the hordes who have made the game what it is. I don't want charity for BWFC...more a fresh start to all football organisation.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 27, 2020 17:58:43 GMT
Think we as a club had the chance to make wholesale changes at the start of the season with FV coming in. Get rid of the leeches and parasites and get a board of football minded people working with local business - not to line pockets but to come up with a successful blue print.
The whole game now has a chance to say the game needs now to be reset. See the Blackburn chief exec has called for there to no FFP this season. Wonder why?
Forget VAR, financial fair play needs to be the main talking point and I would say a percentage of everything needs to go into an emergency pot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:05:52 GMT
Not much came out of today's emergency meeting with the PL, EFL and the PFA, apart from the professional game will resume when it's safe to do so and are still aiming for April 30th. Good Luck.
I'm with whites on this one. Football is a business and if teams go bust, then so be it, whether PL, or EFL. Certainly, the money tree depends a lot on supporters, the problem being that the money is not staying within the game and is unevenly distributed. Get rid of the agents, do as the Germans have done (grud's idea too) and distribute the money within the sport itself. Certainly, some players have not just 500 a week (Messi), but image rights as well. I wonder if they get paid extra if they use a certain loo roll? Well, it is fashionable to have toilet paper these days. Gotta keep up with the Jones'.
I just noticed the last paragraph of Oom's post on my screen. Yes, get rid of VAR too. There's money that could be kept in the game. How much does that cost the game?
You could also scrap TV rights and give the game back to the fans. That way the player's won't be paid stupid amounts.
Man, am I angry at the way football has gone. It has brought out the selfishness in ownership, management and players at all levels.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 28, 2020 10:27:33 GMT
Football finances have been obscene for many years but especially so since the PL was formed, which was just an excuse for the rich to get richer and stuff the rest of football. Clearly it’s a worldwide thing so we can’t just repair it ourselves. If PL clubs don’t pay top dollar for players others will. You could see this as a chance to reset the game more equally but I can’t see it myself. Wages and sponsorship will just keep going up as long as silly beggars keep paying Sky subscriptions which will in turn keep going up. I cancelled my Sports package years ago and if people really wanted to change the face of football, bring wages down and ensure a more equal distribution it’s in their own hands. Will they do it? About as much chance as those maniacs who still congregate in groups in parks and gardens everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 15:15:58 GMT
Whites, imo the game will change. They're hanging on to finishing this season, no matter how long it takes, which really shows you what kind of world these people are living in. Even Brady from WHU has changed her tune, but there's no real explanation other than money.
Contrary to their beliefs, the world is changing. Reset, as you will. I wonder how many Sky BT subscriptions have already been cancelled? My belief is that this virus will be around for a lot longer than the lock downs are predicting.
Will the fans stay away? Will the players play all these games in such a short space of time? Will anyone care, with life being at stake?
Not to mention the financial difficulties most people will be going thro'. Since the 50's we have had it reasonably good, but the good times are over. Only the greedy cannot see this. The money has to be paid back sometime and it will in higher taxes, thro out the Western world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 17:10:18 GMT
Today, according to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, it could take more than 6 months to get back to normal and we don't know where the peak of the virus is yet.
Season cancelled, is the only way forward. Cup competitions, all.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 29, 2020 19:41:18 GMT
It has to be voided - above all for financial reasons. Round about now clubs usually think about launching their sale of season tickets for the new season beginning in August, but there is no chance of that happening until a decision is made on this now defunct current season. Most EFL clubs rely on season tickets to finance the new season. If this current season restarts many would now be working with empty tills and unable to pay wages, and other overheads. By the time the new season was due to start most fans could have lost interest. So far as the Wanderers are concerned there are said to be other monies to find, and particularly the administrators' bill for £3M plus, and some creditors. If a new season is declared we will soon be able to buy season tickets for it whenever it may start to ensure FV have the essential cash their enterprise deserves.Then they can start looking at management and player contracts. That should once and for all remove the vacuum we have been in for too long,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 19:48:24 GMT
I see your point Ken, but who would buy a season ticket unless it is discounted for the missing games from the season voided, notwithstanding the virus hanging over our heads. Attitudes may change, with football finances to suffer.
I'm pretty sire that people didn't get refunded for the strike games and the Brentford game.
Once bitten, twice shy.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 29, 2020 20:00:57 GMT
I don't think we can have it both ways, Wots. I personally don't want to see any more of this season, and would gladly pay for a new beginning, including FV's first experience of owning a club put to good use in the staffing area
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 30, 2020 10:22:24 GMT
I agree with you Kenglo, it must be clear now, even to the numb nuts at the EFL, the PL and even the PFA, that with the lockdown being pushed out further and further, it must surely be time to make the decision to undo the uncertainty and cancel the season. I know there will be complaints but at least it will remove the uncertainty and allow clubs to concentrate on existence and plan for when this is over. they can then complete planned sponsorship agreements and players can get on with new contracts. Like you I’d certainly be happy to purchase my season ticket early to help the club out and I’m sure many others would too. Those affected through work obviously probably wouldn’t and the club certainly wouldn't get the full Volume but at least it would help keep the wolf from the door. I wish I could anticipate that those in charge would see sense but sadly I think they’ll drag it out to the detriment of many smaller clubs and players so the fat cats don’t lose out.
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Post by one2many on Mar 30, 2020 10:45:58 GMT
It is a shame so much of the season had been played. When the season was cancelled in 39/40 for WW11 it was in September, i.e early in the season. If the Virus had kicked in around the halfway stage of our current season I would agree to a cancellation without thinking twice. However, i can see that a lot of injustice will be caused. For example it would be very unfair if Liverpool are not pronounced champions, equally that teams like ours don't get relegated. I saw that one non league team (Jersey?) had won all 27 of their 27 games only to be told "tough luck, start again next season". On the other hand, insisting that we finish this season and potentially delaying (or cancelling) the next is also unfair. What to do with out of contract players? Another transfer window within the season will allow some teams to strengthen while weakening others (imagine that Aston Villa buy a striker from Norwich for example. His goals then help keep Villa up and his absence affects Norwich negatively).
As a Bolton fan I hope the season is cancelled and we start again whenever that may be. But, I would feel genuinely sorry for many fans (and players, managers etc) who will miss out on deserved trophies because of a force majeure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:18:20 GMT
In 63/64 we played monday wednesday and friday to complete our fixtures ,we got some weird results and some of the under 12 /14 /18 in bolton boys fed played twice in a day but most played one game till half time and one after nobody bothered it had to be done and was excepted .
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