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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 17, 2020 10:49:40 GMT
In fairness it really makes little difference to us, we could only potentially gain from a cancellation of the season, even retaining the 12 point penalty, if we stay in L1. It would certainly seem unfair if Liverpool were denied the title but no less fair than teams anticipating promotion. The authorities won’t please everybody whatever they do and I seriously doubt any legal action would be taken under the current circumstances. This CV isn’t going away any time soon and there’s no way this season can be finished to allow next season to start on time, so it’s either cancel this one and hopefully start next year on time, or seriously affect next season running up to the Euros, which I can’t see the league doing. You have to take into account player contracts which end in June and for that reason as well, I see the only logical answer to be, cancel this season as if it didn’t happen and start again in August.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 17, 2020 15:58:41 GMT
CV not going away no, but i do think our attitudes towards it may and may be a backlash.
The more people make a full recovery, which will come the more that they may be keen to get back business as usual.
I can see clubs applying pressure when the point comes where they have 25 fit players doing nothing and at that point i think behind closed doors or to smaller crowds may be mooted.
Personally i think suicide rate could be the real epidemic. All these people out of work, bills still to pay, no one hiring and then elderly with no where to go. I think we need to get back to normality and if you can feasibly self isolate then do so still.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 17, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
Totally agree with your last points OM, people’s mental health seems to have been neglected in all the panic, unnecessary panic, in my view. The loss of jobs if this drags on is unimaginable and as you say, the inability of being able to pay bills, put food on the table for your kids, pay your mortgage, or just exist is going to affect some people badly. The government may want to encourage businesses, including football clubs, to act sensibly but with little or no income coming in, many of them will also be trying to balance their risks. I fully agree we need to get back to normality as soon as possible but the way things are going, it’s totally the opposite to that with fears of future shut downs. To me, the actions governments are taking is more damaging to health than letting the young be affected and concentrating on actions for the elderly and infirm but what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 22:44:48 GMT
As far as the title of this thread goes, the season must be declared null and void. How can the Premier League/EFL even talk about finding ways to complete the season, when the WHO says that the virus is gaining momentum. Champions League cancelled/ Euros postponed. Then of course all the things that have been mentioned e.g. players out of contract, fitness etc. I don't think many players will be too keen to get back to playing. even some of them have contracted C19.
Whoever is in charge of the EFL said that they would not go cap in hand to the PL, thus knocking gruds suggestion, on another thread, in the head. It seemed a good suggetion too btw.
So, it is possible that some clubs will not be able to pay players and some clubs going to the wall.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 23, 2020 23:17:14 GMT
Exactly Wots, Rick Parry is the idiot at EFL, too frightened to go to the PL and tell them that for the sake of soccer in this country, the revenue pie needs to be shared just a little bit more fairly. As you say, the only logical way to handle the situation is face up to the facts and cancel the current season and start again when the virus has ceased. Fudging the players contract issues, playing behind closed doors with players who are not match fit seems totally illogical. The only reason the decision to cancel the season is not being made is both financial and fear of legal action by the likes of Liverpool and promotion placed clubs. That should be completely ignored and a decision made to cancel now but of course we all know it won’t. Instead they’ll fudge and fumble their way through until the league falls apart. What a bunch of to—ers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 23:43:46 GMT
Most of the faffing around seems to be that there is nothing in the rule book to cover this kind of situation. Well, there wasn't one at the start of the first world war either. I understand that the situation is not exactly the same, but it is a matter of life, death and personal health. They should end this now and cancel. You are correct about the civil suits too. They shouldn't be entertained.
I think the Spanish League just cancelled their season. At least the fixtures. I only saw the headline.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 25, 2020 10:19:28 GMT
Trouble is wots, it’s all about money for football clubs and it’s time more important things were put first. A firm decision to cancel the season and resume when possible would answer all the questions about players contracts, clubs liabilities and where clubs will start next year. Of course there are winners and losers, we would probably be perceived to win, despite still having our points deduction,, whilst Liverpool and promotion hopefuls in the Championship would be considered to be losers. It’s a hard decision to take but as we know, it won’t be made because football authorities don’t know how to make decisions, but would rather “faff” around as you say. Obviously nobody wants to jump too soon but other than upsetting a handful of senior clubs, what actual damage would making the decision now do? Players, clubs and fans would have certainty where they stand. I also think the courts would have little time for players and clubs taking legal action under the current conditions the country finds itself in. The football authorities should take a lead and make a decision now to cancel the season and start it again when possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:20:58 GMT
I take it that you mean start a new season, when possible. tbh whites, L'pool players will want to play the remaining games, but I'm sure that the majority at other clubs are going to say to heck with it. Not much fun for a mid-table player is it? Ad clubs just above the relegation zone are going to say the same too.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 25, 2020 19:56:06 GMT
National league have given indication that they are ready to void the season.
Think everyone was looking to them to see what answers they could give? Nothing. Seems like they've taken a stance but any tough decision on promotion/relegation she have thrown the EFL under that bus.
Im pretty much at a position where i think a void season is not inevitable but each week gets closer.
I just cannot see any playing the sport with the same spirit, or integrity. One thing that i question would be had a team been mathematically won it or been relegated then maybe they would have been able to claim that and a relegated team would have no complaint about demotion. Whether a team would replace them or not would be a headache but only similar to losing Bury(where do they stand if the season gets a do over?)
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 25, 2020 22:42:01 GMT
I can't see there being much appetite for football of any description at the moment, and indeed for many months, so it's obvious the season should be voided. We used to have worthy men running the FA and EFL, remembering Stanley Rous and Alan Hardaker respectively and respectfully, but where are their likes to make sensible decisions and carry the fans with them today? Most of the guys in charge are from marketing fmcg and lack real empathy for the game and its followers.
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Post by one2many on Mar 26, 2020 8:41:34 GMT
Most of the faffing around seems to be that there is nothing in the rule book to cover this kind of situation. Well, there wasn't one at the start of the first world war either. I understand that the situation is not exactly the same, but it is a matter of life, death and personal health. They should end this now and cancel. You are correct about the civil suits too. They shouldn't be entertained. I think the Spanish League just cancelled their season. At least the fixtures. I only saw the headline. Just to clarify, the Spanish league has not cancelled the season but rather put it on indefinite hold until the Health Department say it is safe to play. In Spain they are having the same quandary as to what to do with the current season. The club I follow, RCD Espanyol, is similar to Bolton in that they are bottom of the league and would potentially benefit from a cancellation.
On a related note, Spanish employment laws allow companies to temporarily make their employees redundant due to Covid19. Some third division teams have already done so. First and second division teams including giants like Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are currently in talks with their staff (including players and coaches) about negotiating a reduction in wages.
Potentially I see the long term effects on the game and especially the amount of money sloshing around in it as being potentially positive. At the moment, what would we be more proud of 1) to live next door to a professional footballer or 2) next to a doctor or nurse(or a supermarket worker)? Over hyped and overpaid footballers might find that the bubble has burst as people realise how little those prima donnas actually contribute to society and how easily we can get on with our lives without them.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 26, 2020 9:43:01 GMT
Oh if only that could be true OM that Footballer’s would return to the real world. Sadly, I fear not, things will just return to type once this thing is over and the big clubs will refuse any further dole out for lower league clubs because they need to repair their own balance sheets. The selfishness will continue until people stop watching football and it’s Sky TV benefactor. I can’t see that happening however long this lasts because as soon as it’s over people will just return to type. Unfortunately football and sport in general is completely dominated by money, which is why as Kenglo says, the likes of Hardaker and Rouse have been replaced by pure businessmen to the detriment of the game generally. If football was the authorities primary concern, the season would have been vioided by now but clearly they will do everything they can to refrain from that so one can only assume money will talk in the end rather than common sense and good practise.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 26, 2020 10:08:35 GMT
I think if football of any description were restarted now it would be regarded as an intrusion by uncaring materialists.
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Post by davidm on Mar 26, 2020 15:58:06 GMT
All football below National League North/South has now been cancelled permanently and all results declared Null & Void.
There is to be no promotion or relegation in these leagues.
Is it getting closer to the EFL cancellation?
Get ready for the lawsuits! Teams missing out on the gravy train that is the Premier League.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 26, 2020 22:56:35 GMT
Leeds louts and Kloppites crying their eyes out. Serve the latter right for adopting the awful continental habit of booing and whistling when their opponents have the ball. That's a reason why I have no great appetite for an early restart, not forgetting the bilge we have experienced in Bolton for long enough.
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