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Post by bnud on Jan 5, 2015 19:20:57 GMT
If bolton or the team that you support looked to sign a footballer who had been convicted of rape ,would you stop going to see that team play or play against the team that signed the player .
Is it the right profile for the game and the club??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:33:25 GMT
If bolton or the team that you support looked to sign a footballer who had been convicted of rape ,would you stop going to see that team play or play against the team that signed the player . Is it the right profile for the game and the club?? If he has served his sentence then yes I would go , lets face facts there is a player playing as a professional who was sent to prison for killing a father and son wilst driving under the influence of booze , has any body raised petitions against him NO in fact I'll bet no body cares either , and before any ones I condone rape I don't but I do belive that this guy should be able to earn his living having served his time ,and just as a matter of interest the woman who started the latest petition is from London,and the daft prof look northwest had on tonight called Oldham "one of the regions top teams ".
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Post by bnud on Jan 5, 2015 19:43:45 GMT
How about working for and on behalf of any of the rape victims and there families and not just himself ??
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 5, 2015 21:26:00 GMT
If bolton or the team that you support looked to sign a footballer who had been convicted of rape ,would you stop going to see that team play or play against the team that signed the player . Is it the right profile for the game and the club?? If he has served his sentence then yes I would go , lets face facts there is a player playing as a professional who was sent to prison for killing a father and son wilst driving under the influence of booze , has any body raised petitions against him NO in fact I'll bet no body cares either , and before any ones I condone rape I don't but I do belive that this guy should be able to earn his living having served his time ,and just as a matter of interest the woman who started the latest petition is from London,and the daft prof look northwest had on tonight called Oldham "one of the regions top teams ". I think you're missing an important point owdonlad, as it seems to be more the fact he has neither apologised nor even accepted it even was rape and has certainly shown no remorse. Neither you nor I know the true facts of the case but a jury listened to all the evidence and found him guilty. By all accounts why ever the girl found herself there she was by all accounts totally incapacitated and in no condition to resist. What would you do in that situation? This was someone's daughter and I'll tell you this, that if it had been my daughter or granddaughter he would never be in a condition to walk let alone play football. I think from that you may have a hint at my answer to your question. I'm saddened and amazed anyone can think any different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 11:25:55 GMT
If he has served his sentence then yes I would go , lets face facts there is a player playing as a professional who was sent to prison for killing a father and son wilst driving under the influence of booze , has any body raised petitions against him NO in fact I'll bet no body cares either , and before any ones I condone rape I don't but I do belive that this guy should be able to earn his living having served his time ,and just as a matter of interest the woman who started the latest petition is from London,and the daft prof look northwest had on tonight called Oldham "one of the regions top teams ". I think you're missing an important point owdonlad, as it seems to be more the fact he has neither apologised nor even accepted it even was rape and has certainly shown no remorse. Neither you nor I know the true facts of the case but a jury listened to all the evidence and found him guilty. By all accounts why ever the girl found herself there she was by all accounts totally incapacitated and in no condition to resist. What would you do in that situation? This was someone's daughter and I'll tell you this, that if it had been my daughter or granddaughter he would never be in a condition to walk let alone play football. I think from that you may have a hint at my answer to your question. I'm saddened and amazed anyone can think any different. the fact he has not apologised is because he still claims he is not guilty and his case is the subject of a judicial inquiry so to do as you say would defeat his own case , I do not condone rape never have and never will but his punishment was prison not a life of misery , btw do you consider rape a worse crime than taking some ones life? cause I don't and one lee hughes was allowed to play and still plays ,as does the goal keeper from Plymouth who killed father and son wilst drunk .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 6, 2015 19:30:04 GMT
One slight correction to the above, Luke McCormick I think, is the goalkeeper and club captain of Plymouth Argyle, where our very own Andy Kellett plays, was convicted in 2008 for killing 2 young brothers and was jailed for 7 years!!!! No, I don't believe he served anywhere near that, as per our 5hit justice system, but in answer to the thread question, this issue would not prevent me going to the ReeMac Stad at all and I too do not condone rape whatsoever.
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Post by westandlower on Jan 6, 2015 19:59:12 GMT
I think you're missing an important point owdonlad, as it seems to be more the fact he has neither apologised nor even accepted it even was rape and has certainly shown no remorse. Neither you nor I know the true facts of the case but a jury listened to all the evidence and found him guilty. By all accounts why ever the girl found herself there she was by all accounts totally incapacitated and in no condition to resist. What would you do in that situation? This was someone's daughter and I'll tell you this, that if it had been my daughter or granddaughter he would never be in a condition to walk let alone play football. I think from that you may have a hint at my answer to your question. I'm saddened and amazed anyone can think any different. the fact he has not apologised is because he still claims he is not guilty and his case is the subject of a judicial inquiry so to do as you say would defeat his own case , I do not condone rape never have and never will but his punishment was prison not a life of misery , btw do you consider rape a worse crime than taking some ones life? cause I don't and one lee hughes was allowed to play and still plays ,as does the goal keeper from Plymouth who killed father and son wilst drunk . IIRC there was a lot of controversy about Lee Hughes getting back into football (also with Oldham).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:30:39 GMT
the fact he has not apologised is because he still claims he is not guilty and his case is the subject of a judicial inquiry so to do as you say would defeat his own case , I do not condone rape never have and never will but his punishment was prison not a life of misery , btw do you consider rape a worse crime than taking some ones life? cause I don't and one lee hughes was allowed to play and still plays ,as does the goal keeper from Plymouth who killed father and son wilst drunk . IIRC there was a lot of controversy about Lee Hughes getting back into football (also with Oldham). Your right , but this case is being lead by a blogger who's name I cant remember and she/he/or it have stated that they will pursue this lad until he says sorry,wonder what this blogger will say if the review finds in his favour .What does IIRC mean ?.
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Post by bnud on Jan 6, 2015 22:46:54 GMT
Has the victim got any case in a civil m court seeing that he was found guilty in the criminal system . a bit better than "I am sorry " but not much?
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 7, 2015 14:22:48 GMT
OK guys lets think about this...innnocent until proven guilty......this guy was found guilty in court and served time........SO he is guilty until proved innocent.......just because he,s appealling his conviction doesnt mean he didnt do it,,,,and yes I believe rape is a crime that is very close to murder in its severity. If it was my daughter I would do time for him
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Post by OohMac on Jan 7, 2015 15:17:21 GMT
I think even if he served his time in full it would still raise a debate. I don't believe that he shouldn't be allowed to make a living(to be honest if he was stopped from gaining employment chances are he would be given handouts from the government anyway). There are certain jobs that he cannot due he would not be able to work in schools, hospitals, etc. Whether the FA carry out the CRB check, well that stops all debate from the get go anyway.
Innocent people have been found guilty before remember. So his lack of remorse may simply be adamant that he's right. I forget the name but the man was released last year for the murder of his step daughter, when he protested his innocence was that "failing to show remorse" BUT all we have to go off is the current verdict so we have to go with that.
As for the original question, wasn't Klasnic sort of involved in similar accusations at a time when he was with us. I know its not the same as he was never convicted but mud sticks.
Plus financially you have a £3M player for free, if he played half a season and scored 10 goals he would be worth that, they could sell him on, probably to a foreign team. I can understand why Oldham may be thinking, if we don't do this some other club will. Then again loss of sponsors, gates and merchandise might be hitting them harder than whatever they recoup. Is there any grounds for SKY/BBC to suspend TV money, i'm sure if they found out a contestant on Bake Off or something was a convicted rapist on bail they would throw him off the show. Why should they show this guys goals. It would be very insensitive.
Tough one.
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Post by skipper on Jan 7, 2015 16:42:43 GMT
If he has served his sentence then yes I would go , lets face facts there is a player playing as a professional who was sent to prison for killing a father and son wilst driving under the influence of booze , has any body raised petitions against him NO in fact I'll bet no body cares either , and before any ones I condone rape I don't but I do belive that this guy should be able to earn his living having served his time ,and just as a matter of interest the woman who started the latest petition is from London,and the daft prof look northwest had on tonight called Oldham "one of the regions top teams ". I think you're missing an important point owdonlad, as it seems to be more the fact he has neither apologised nor even accepted it even was rape and has certainly shown no remorse. Neither you nor I know the true facts of the case but a jury listened to all the evidence and found him guilty. By all accounts why ever the girl found herself there she was by all accounts totally incapacitated and in no condition to resist. What would you do in that situation? This was someone's daughter and I'll tell you this, that if it had been my daughter or granddaughter he would never be in a condition to walk let alone play football. I think from that you may have a hint at my answer to your question. I'm saddened and amazed anyone can think any different. We`ve been debating this on the other side, and there are two sides to every story. Why would he show remorse and apologise if he was convinced he was innocent...would you? There have been many miscarriages of justice in the past, this could well be another. The fact that the girl was incapacitated would make no difference, had she been sober and he drunk, he would still have got all the blame. Women need to start taking more responsibility for their own actions and stop going out "gold digging". I`m saddened and amazed you`ve bought all this feminist crap.
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Post by Trotter on Jan 7, 2015 16:55:08 GMT
No way would I go and pay to watch a rapist play football, society values are far more important than football the sooner society wakes up and blocks this farce from happening then the better
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 7, 2015 17:23:34 GMT
I think you're missing an important point owdonlad, as it seems to be more the fact he has neither apologised nor even accepted it even was rape and has certainly shown no remorse. Neither you nor I know the true facts of the case but a jury listened to all the evidence and found him guilty. By all accounts why ever the girl found herself there she was by all accounts totally incapacitated and in no condition to resist. What would you do in that situation? This was someone's daughter and I'll tell you this, that if it had been my daughter or granddaughter he would never be in a condition to walk let alone play football. I think from that you may have a hint at my answer to your question. I'm saddened and amazed anyone can think any different. We`ve been debating this on the other side, and there are two sides to every story. Why would he show remorse and apologise if he was convinced he was innocent...would you? There have been many miscarriages of justice in the past, this could well be another. The fact that the girl was incapacitated would make no difference, had she been sober and he drunk, he would still have got all the blame. Women need to start taking more responsibility for their own actions and stop going out "gold digging". I`m saddened and amazed you`ve bought all this feminist crap. I can understand him showing no remorse if he considers himself not to have been guilty of rape and I'm sure his advisers have also told him to do that. But as it stands he's been found guilty in a court of law with more evidence than any of us have and as it stands that's it. He's a convicted racist. That being the fact why not wait for the result of the inquiry before attempting to resume your career? If he's successful then he can continue anywhere he likes and good luck to him but that's not now. As for supporting feminism and gold digging women that's extremely childish and insulting to women. It's the very fact that people like Evans are in the public eye and considered role models that he shouldn't be allowed to resume his career. What sort of a role model is he? Thousands of other much better and famous players than this slime ball have been chased by young women but didn't try to get them paralytic so they could s--g them. One thing we all do know is that she was completely incapacitated so not in a position to resist. Whoever she was there I don't see how anyone can defend or begin to excuse what he did. as for drunk players who killed, the same should also apply to them. Sadly in this deluded and selfish world we've been de-densitied into accepting things like this. Al very sad.
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Post by skipper on Jan 7, 2015 17:51:00 GMT
Sorry Whitesince63 I beg to differ the only thing childish and an insult to women is feminism itself. This is an affront to decent society, not a convicted rapist.
Women are not held accountable for their behaviour in the eye of the law, what kind of law is this? For Christs sake they`re not children, stop making excuses for their "sluttish" behaviour. She was out looking for a rich guy.
Yes, he was found guilty, but as I stated earlier had she been sober and he drunk he would still have been to blame in the eyes of the law.
There is nothing de-sensitised neither, many women cry rape after regretting sex, where does this leave men. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I pray none of you guys ever fall foul of this very unfair law.
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