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Post by boris on Jan 8, 2015 20:44:29 GMT
Was this crime any less despicable:Luke Martin McCormick (born 15 August 1983) is an English professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper for Plymouth Argyle. He previously played for Plymouth between 2000 and 2008, but his contract was cancelled by mutual consent in July 2008 after he caused a car crash which killed two children. On 6 October 2008, he was sentenced to seven years and four months in prison, for two counts of causing death by dangerous driving and driving with excess alcohol.
McCormick was released from prison on 6 June 2012; he returned to football playing on non-contract terms for Truro City in November 2012, before returning to league football on 31 January 2013 with Oxford United. He was released at the end of the 2012–13 season and, in May 2013, re-signed for Plymouth Argyle on a one-year contract. In July 2014, McCormick was controversially assigned the role of club captain at Plymouth Argyle.
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Post by andyl on Jan 8, 2015 20:47:40 GMT
Anyone who wishes to can look up the opinion I expressed earlier on page 2 of the thread by nigelsboy dated to October 19 currently on pgs 2 of the threads.
Here I entirely agree with Joanna in deferring to the jury and the ongoing legal processes re arriving at any personal view of the rights and wrongs of the case and anyway it's irrelevant to a football thread per se.
In terms of the rehabilitation of offenders whatever their crimes I would like to think that I am in favour of forgiveness and their managed rehabilitation into society- whether I would be were I the victim of their offences or even the victim of the same offence by another party I just don't know. As ever rationality and logic could be trumped by emotion.
A significant footballing issue remains for me here and it's much as I articulated in October. Football is governed internationally by FIFA and nationally by the FA . That this is so allows national and European elected representatives and governing institutions to abdicate from responsibility- sometimes rightly in my view but at other times reprehensibly, e.g through the 70s and 80s and part of the 90s in matters of hooliganism in and around stadia.
But here I cannot understand the silence of FIFA and the FA. There have been a number of matters over the years, for example betting, corruption, drug abuse or even missed drug tests, violence committed by players on or around the field of play eg Cantona, more recently in the context of onfield racism, more recently still when social media have been perceived to be used offensively and quite regularly when managers or club officials or owners make slanderous pronouncements to the media.
In these circumstances sometimes tthe FA leap in and charge the offenders and ever more swiftly mete our punishments or they allow any legal processes to run their course and then have separate hearings which not uncommonly lead to harsher fines or suspensions than delivered by the courts
I just think that leaving individual clubs to sort all this out subject to employment law and media sensitivity is quite wrong.
Murder, Fraud, Armed Robbery, Drug Peddling and Sex Offending would probably feature prominently in lists of offences which if proven to the satisfaction of a jury could lead to first time penal sentences. In any such circumstance I cannot see why the FA and indeed FIFA would not ban the offender either sine die or for the full length of the legal sentence or some other prohibitive period. There is perhaps some complexity in terms of organised prison football and the FA could perhaps build in some reintegration towards the end of sentences and of course there are lots of ramifications in respect of amateur footballers at all levels. But the FA unlike the UK courts do not have to operate within a precedent based system they can respond on a case by case basis and a judgement in one case does not have to apply to another although some fairness would be desirable. As minima I would suggest that all clubs with professional footballers on the books or charging to admit fans could fall within the FA's remit.
Here if Evans had been subject to say an eight year ban by the FA from all forms of football I suspect the outcry in year 9 would be far less
For these reasons I have a degree of sympathy with Oldham Athletic and even Evans himself purely in the matter of footballing employment. The debate is being held in an unsatisfactory vacuum in my opinion .
All of this said in response to the thread's question ' No- nothing would make me withdraw my support from BWFC
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 8, 2015 21:10:06 GMT
Good post Joanna unlike the previous few I'm afraid. Makes you wonder why people make judgements without knowing any of the facts and make themselves look somewhat silly as "facts" of the reality are revealed. Look, as you said a jury of 12 people and a judge listened and viewed all the evidence and found him to be guilty yet some on here still try to make excuses for him. If his appeal is successful then and only then should any club even consider employing him. I don't know Evans but any man who could take advantage of a woman in that condition certainly doesn't deserve much respect as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, if as I suspect it will, the investigation confirms his guilt where does that leave anyone who thought he should be allowed back now. Ridiculous really.
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Post by megsontilidie on Jan 8, 2015 21:29:37 GMT
anyone who wants an ultra detailed look at the case. try the 2nd link re David Walsh's article in the sunday times, the award winning journo who stood almost alone & nailed Lance Armstrong against a tide of sycophantic media ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_%28journalist%29 ) he seems to consider it a miscarriage of justice and comes down on the side of Ched. joemayesjournalist.com/2015/01/04/ched-evans-david-walsh-and-intoxication-in-cases-of-rape/pastebin.com/XtMZfAyWthe first link is a slightly more readable (shorter) version with commentary. the guy seems slightly more anti- evans. but does knock out a fair conclusion , similar to that stated in my post above.. re the extreme complexities of drunken consent & in the light on no concrete evidence on that aspect, the jury were just prepared to GUESS on one of the guys, and let his mate off which is another confusing aspect.
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