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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 18, 2024 9:31:38 GMT
Has Frimpong been allowed to leave Whites or is it that we can't stop him going and are only protected with training compensation. (Not being clever genuinely don't know how it works with youth, especially going abroad) Always thought that it was risky developing real young players because scouts are everywhere and as soon as you get a good season you've got prem clubs sniffing knowing that they can stock pile young players. If it works it works, if not they'll fob them off 2 years later and maybe even make a profit. I’m as uncertain on these things as you OM but it seems we have offered him a contract which he has declined so we can’t really stop him leaving. I suppose it depends what the contract was worth but more importantly what is his future like here. My real point is that not one player has so far come though our youth or B Team route and more importantly never feature for the first team squad, even in cup matches where they might. How many times have the likes of Matheson, Conway or Khumbeni been included let alone the likes of Frimpong and Inwood. Instead they get farmed out on loan whilst we bring in other clubs young players to sit on the bench who are no better. Fair play to Frimpong if he feels he has a better chance elsewhere and also to the others if their way is blocked here. If you reach 19 or 20 these days and you’re not even in sight of the first team squad then what’s the point of wasting your time here? Good that we have now set up a ladies BWFC team but how soon before they get ignored just like the B team? Remember going to see the stiffs in the Central League way back when Tony Caldwell was playing trying to get fit, helping the youth and the injured and the second string to get into the first team, players like Neil Fisher, Mark Came, Mark Winstanley, Nicky Brookman, Rob Savage, Ju Darby and yet here we are and I can’t even bring a name to my lips of potential players coming through, that’s the unsustainable future we have
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Post by OohMac on Jul 18, 2024 12:40:36 GMT
I would make it a club policy that the 7th substitute spot should be an academy player.
I know Mr Marginal gains would say that puts us at a disadvantage but players should be versatile enough to play more than a single position so you shouldn't need 2 defenders, 2 midfielders, 3 strikers(as we did).
What's the benefit?
Well it embeds a player each week to be in the match day squad. To get them used to being around the squad to see what is required in professional football. They will learn from the pros.
It rewards good training in the youth. Imagine knowing if you trained well or played well in the B team you'd be in the squad in front of Sky cameras, 24,000 fans.
If its 1-0, 0-0, etc yes you won't turn to these players. But if you're 3 up why not introduce a player and let them soak it up.
It was through necessity that Rob Holding was thrown in, Clough too. Some players take to it more than you'd ever be able to predict.
And that's the rule I would insist on from any manager coming in. Goalkeeper, Academy Player and then 5 of your pick.
Even think it helps the link between development manager and first team manager.
Maybe Frimpong may have stayed here if he was given a bit more squad opportunity.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 18, 2024 12:53:36 GMT
Exactly my point OM, if none of these guys ever get a chance with the first team either they’re not good enough and shouldn’t be here or they are good enough but not being given a chance. Either way what’s the point of the B Team? I’m not talking about the very young because it’s understandable they’re not ready but surely at 19 or 20 we should be blooding them if they’re good enough? How long does it take to decide if someone like Matheson or Carty are good enough? Footballs a short career anyway so wasting your time constantly being loaned out and never part of the first team environment seems crazy. Surely with Matheson in particular there must be a decision as to whether he’s good enough or not and if not then let him go somewhere else and the same for Carty and others brought in.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 18, 2024 14:20:09 GMT
I would make it a club policy that the 7th substitute spot should be an academy player. I know Mr Marginal gains would say that puts us at a disadvantage but players should be versatile enough to play more than a single position so you shouldn't need 2 defenders, 2 midfielders, 3 strikers(as we did). What's the benefit? Well it embeds a player each week to be in the match day squad. To get them used to being around the squad to see what is required in professional football. They will learn from the pros. It rewards good training in the youth. Imagine knowing if you trained well or played well in the B team you'd be in the squad in front of Sky cameras, 24,000 fans. If its 1-0, 0-0, etc yes you won't turn to these players. But if you're 3 up why not introduce a player and let them soak it up. It was through necessity that Rob Holding was thrown in, Clough too. Some players take to it more than you'd ever be able to predict. And that's the rule I would insist on from any manager coming in. Goalkeeper, Academy Player and then 5 of your pick. Even think it helps the link between development manager and first team manager. Maybe Frimpong may have stayed here if he was given a bit more squad opportunity. I’m not joking OooooooooooM, you need to email that post to Sharon & Evatt Oh Have we ‘beat our rivals to the double transfer coup of Dembele and McAtee’ yet? We’ve had long enough!!!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 19, 2024 11:15:05 GMT
21 days to kick off
Anyone else worried or is it just me???
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Post by one2many on Jul 19, 2024 14:43:27 GMT
21 days to kick off Anyone else worried or is it just me??? Worried because we have not signed anyone particularly interesting? In that case, no, this is what I expected. Perhaps the only area left to strengthen is in creative midfield and they seem to be working on that. The bulk of the team from last year is still around so did not expect wholesale changes. If you are worried that we will be not be able to compete at the top end of the table, then I think you may have good cause, but that is more down to the inflexibility of the manager rather than the players.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 19, 2024 17:38:47 GMT
21 days to kick off Anyone else worried or is it just me??? Worried because we have not signed anyone particularly interesting? In that case, no, this is what I expected. Perhaps the only area left to strengthen is in creative midfield and they seem to be working on that. The bulk of the team from last year is still around so did not expect wholesale changes. If you are worried that we will be not be able to compete at the top end of the table, then I think you may have good cause, but that is more down to the inflexibility of the manager rather than the players.
Spot on O2M That and the fact that there’s better sides and those sides that have spent some coin and got in some decent players too
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 19, 2024 18:11:23 GMT
I’m not worried, plenty of time yet and I’d rather wait and get quality players in than settle for no better than what we’ve got. I suppose if we are in for the 3 or 4 players mentioned both they and their clubs will be looking for the best deal they can get so it could take another week or two yet until they get desperate. Obviously I’d like them in sooner so they can join in pre season but even if we have got slightly deeper pockets this year if we’re competing with Championship clubs it adds another obstacle. I suppose when you set your sights high this is what happens? 🤷♂️
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Post by OohMac on Jul 19, 2024 21:29:17 GMT
I would make it a club policy that the 7th substitute spot should be an academy player. I know Mr Marginal gains would say that puts us at a disadvantage but players should be versatile enough to play more than a single position so you shouldn't need 2 defenders, 2 midfielders, 3 strikers(as we did). What's the benefit? Well it embeds a player each week to be in the match day squad. To get them used to being around the squad to see what is required in professional football. They will learn from the pros. It rewards good training in the youth. Imagine knowing if you trained well or played well in the B team you'd be in the squad in front of Sky cameras, 24,000 fans. If its 1-0, 0-0, etc yes you won't turn to these players. But if you're 3 up why not introduce a player and let them soak it up. It was through necessity that Rob Holding was thrown in, Clough too. Some players take to it more than you'd ever be able to predict. And that's the rule I would insist on from any manager coming in. Goalkeeper, Academy Player and then 5 of your pick. Even think it helps the link between development manager and first team manager. Maybe Frimpong may have stayed here if he was given a bit more squad opportunity. I’m not joking OooooooooooM, you need to email that post to Sharon & Evatt Oh Have we ‘beat our rivals to the double transfer coup of Dembele and McAtee’ yet? We’ve had long enough!!!! If I did I could hear Evatts snarl from here. As for am I worried. Well if the season was staring tomorrow then the line up would be Baxter. JDC. Jones. Santos. Toal. Iredale. Thomason. Sheehan. Dempsey. Collins and Charles. Giving the benefit of the doubt to starting the injured players. How could you not be concerned? None it the signings you could make for going straight in automatically. And that team is far too similar to the Wembley failure and has not addressed any of the big issues. Yes I've excluded Johnson because he's been out but I've included players that are nursing injuries. Some might argue Evatt only has 6-12 games this season anyway. This pre season doesn't scream fast start. Intent.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 20, 2024 10:18:48 GMT
I’m not joking OooooooooooM, you need to email that post to Sharon & Evatt Oh Have we ‘beat our rivals to the double transfer coup of Dembele and McAtee’ yet? We’ve had long enough!!!! If I did I could hear Evatts snarl from here. As for am I worried. Well if the season was staring tomorrow then the line up would be Baxter. JDC. Jones. Santos. Toal. Iredale. Thomason. Sheehan. Dempsey. Collins and Charles. Giving the benefit of the doubt to starting the injured players. How could you not be concerned? None it the signings you could make for going straight in automatically. And that team is far too similar to the Wembley failure and has not addressed any of the big issues. Yes I've excluded Johnson because he's been out but I've included players that are nursing injuries. Some might argue Evatt only has 6-12 games this season anyway. This pre season doesn't scream fast start. Intent. Your team selection scares the life out of me, but like you , I don’t think you’re a million miles off the actual starting team at Leyton Orient that should scrape a 1-0 win or a 1-1 draw
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 22, 2024 13:46:31 GMT
So after today, if you take away the Saturdays and Sundays (as days off until kick off) there’s just 13 working days to kick off (5th Aug bank hol)
Thirteen days !!!!
We have long term inured, short term injured, recovering players and the flops that didn’t do it last term (Santos Gethin Morley Sheehan Dempsey Toal Charles etc) why do we have so many knee injuries. In Rioch’s days, those players would have played on crutches, even David Lee ran faster than some of ours when he came on at the end of the Reading game at Wembley😂
With the 4 new additions, we’re now being told by Evatt that his transfer plans are frustrating and he’s having to play the ‘long game’ (tell us summat new)
Makes me wonder if Evatt ensured that we are linked to players he knew he would never be able to get over the line, just so that he could prove a point that dealing in the transfer market is difficult!!!
The love affair with Sharon could soon turn sour if something doesn’t change soon as I don’t hold much hope of a great campaign.
Hughie Green once said ‘when opportunity comes, don’t knock it’ shame those at Wembley hadn’t heard of this saying or seen the programme, they might have taken the advice and could now be playing Leeds and Middlesbrough instead of Crawley and Mansfield 😬🙄😥
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 22, 2024 20:37:08 GMT
Given the other clubs reported to be in contention, I have zero confidence that we’ll actually get any of the quoted players in so I respectfully hope that Evatt and Markham have other targets that we don’t know about and maybe the ones we do are just to throw others off course on them? Clearly Evatt is a newbie at the transfer game so he’s either going to find out how difficult it is to secure targets or he’s going to surprise us and play a blinder. As you say rioch, time is running out quickly now and I suspect we’ll secure none of the known targets. To be honest I’m not unduly concerned about starting the season with what we have now, especially with Johnston back in defence, though I’m not sure you and many other fans would agree? It’s more the system I’m concerned about. I’d like us to drop the wingback thing and have a solid back four instead but given 5he number of Centre Backs we have I don’t see Evatt doing that. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but I suspect if we’re intending to wait on the reported targets we’re going to be disappointed.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 23, 2024 6:52:46 GMT
Not sure where you're living to get an extra bank holiday on the 5th. Maybe that was the pencilled in Its Coming Home BH.
But what we needed on our shopping list was at least one more LWB, RWB, DM, AM and striker.
And I'd have expected those five positions to be by people with Championship experience.
What we've got so far is a back up keeper, an untested CB who perhaps goes 6th in the pecking order, a L2 striker who was playing non league last season and a 35 year old lassooed back from the MLS.
We've really not got long now. I suspect we will be patching this squad up with loans. Evatt will make out we've done very well in the loan market. But for every good one there's 4 or 5 don't work.
Needed to be out of the blocks this season. Not confident we've done our business well enough or early enough to hit the ground running. Also we don't seem interested in getting rid of the deadwood in this squad. So far too heavy in areas and too light elsewhere.
I've always thought that we will start poorly, fans get toxic and Ian mouths off more and more until even Sharon has to act. I think he'll be gone October. Least Southgate could see how his tenure would play out and went at the right time.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 23, 2024 10:20:16 GMT
Yeah I got that one wrong OoooooooooM I was looking at the iPhone dates and saw bank holiday (didn’t see the Scotland but)😳😳
Have to ask, why did Marc Illes raise the supporters expectation levels by naming McAtee and Dembele Salford starters?? Where did these names come from? Is this why BWFC are allegedly not talking to Illes with the right information (or have I misread that)
Had we never heard of these 2 linked player, we’d be calming our expectation levels wouldn’t we?
Also, whilst I’m on a moan, why are we losing £6m per season when all the talk has been about increased crowds, fan zones, sponsorships, bond schemes, Wembley trips !!
I guess when you have no assets that other clubs want for more than half a million, you’re never going to address the books into profit and nothing coming through the youth ranks.
It could be said that whilst we might look like a stable debt, there’s no room for expansion as there’s limited funds, hence the loan and free market.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 23, 2024 12:20:29 GMT
I'm not sure Marc has a choice. He has papers to sell. Subscriptions. Cancelled mine because there was no content. The club wouldn't give him any material so he has to go down the twitter route.
Players agents will want thier players to get the best deal, so they will use clubs as leverage. Selling clubs will want as many clubs sniffing around as possible to get a bidding war. So ultimately there will be loads of rumours to chose from. Marc will be speaking to other chief editors up and down the country so he could no doubt make a lot more stories about who we are linked with but ultimately a lot of these will be unfounded or "soft interest".
Want the question to be asked. How many of our players are we actively looking to get off the books and is there anyone at all wanting to take players off our hands.
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