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Post by OohMac on Jul 26, 2024 17:21:20 GMT
Another tumble weed week at Bolton.
Just asked the question to Marc though if we're looking to improve the squad sure that means cutting away the deadwood. Do any of the L2 clubs, the L1 clubs or even championship not fancy any of our players.
Taking Coleman, Jones, Iredale, Morley, Nlundulu, Adebeyejo. Maybe Forrester, maybe Williams, JDC, maybe even Dempsey or Charles.
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Post by one2many on Jul 27, 2024 7:15:57 GMT
Another tumble weed week at Bolton. Just asked the question to Marc though if we're looking to improve the squad sure that means cutting away the deadwood. Do any of the L2 clubs, the L1 clubs or even championship not fancy any of our players. Taking Coleman, Jones, Iredale, Morley, Nlundulu, Adebeyejo. Maybe Forrester, maybe Williams, JDC, maybe even Dempsey or Charles. I take your point that those players can be improved upon and are not the first on the team sheet, but perhaps a bit harsh to call some of them deadwood. They are good squad players if not game changers.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 28, 2024 15:58:55 GMT
Yeah, perhaps deadwood is too derogatory. I think all the squad try hard and there's no prima donna in there just looking to cash thier cheque like we've had.
But ultimately 4 years of Evatt and FV and one player sold. And if there was a buy back option and we signed Dapo back for £600k that would be hugely positive with the fans. Point being sold too cheap.
At some point there has to be some money coming in. Even seemingly nominal fees £100k all adds up.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 28, 2024 19:29:06 GMT
Yeah, perhaps deadwood is too derogatory. I think all the squad try hard and there's no prima donna in there just looking to cash thier cheque like we've had. But ultimately 4 years of Evatt and FV and one player sold. And if there was a buy back option and we signed Dapo back for £600k that would be hugely positive with the fans. Point being sold too cheap. At some point there has to be some money coming in. Even seemingly nominal fees £100k all adds up. Well to be fair OM we did get a £1m bid for George which we turned down and also interest in Victor from abroad. I’d say George is worth much more than that £1m now and whilst I agree £500k for Dapo was too little it still represented a handsome profi on a free signing so not all bad? I’m sure if we indicated any intent to sell the likes of Sheehan, Dion or even Johnston now he’s fit we’d get good money from them too. Like O2M I think your deadwood comment was a bit strong because I think some of our other players would fetch money too although I’d like to keep them. We finished 3rd last year with basically this squad and I’m not having it that the league is massively harder this time. Brum should be strong and probably Huddersfield but really no different than Pompey and Derby last season. I personally don’t see any of the others to worry about. Rotherham have changed pretty much the whole team but who knows if it’ll work? Posh have sold most of their good players as have Barnsley and Wigan similar and not replacing them. Obviously there will be surprises but I can’t see any of them outplaying us especially with some quality hopefully added. Oxford was a big let down but I’m hoping that it has galvanised the squad and they’ll be out to make up for it this season?
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Post by OohMac on Jul 29, 2024 8:01:55 GMT
We had an offer for George which could have been worth a million. And we didn't turn it down we accepted it.
I'd imagine the initial up front was no where near the million mark.
Plus George is the only one in the squad who isn't an Ian Evatt/Chris Markham signing. So Keith Hill could have made more profit in his tenure as Evatt in 4 years.
As for "overseas interest" in Adeboyejo. Who's come up with that one. Any bids? Who are these people representing the whole of overseas football.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 29, 2024 13:30:07 GMT
We had an offer for George which could have been worth a million. And we didn't turn it down we accepted it. I'd imagine the initial up front was no where near the million mark. Plus George is the only one in the squad who isn't an Ian Evatt/Chris Markham signing. So Keith Hill could have made more profit in his tenure as Evatt in 4 years. As for "overseas interest" in Adeboyejo. Who's come up with that one. Any bids? Who are these people representing the whole of overseas football. Sadly OM you seem to have descended into a really negative mindset over Wanderers with pretty much everything being wrong. You don’t like Evatt, you don’t think our players are worth much and you’re full of doom for this season. I agree we don’t know how much the actual bid was for George but it was speculated at around £1m so I’ll not argue with that. Whatever it was you’re right that we accepted it but George declined. I’m glad because I feel he’s worth much more now. Frankly I don’t really want to sell any of our better players just add a few where we need them, although if there were options for some fringe players to go it wouldn’t bother me. Im confident that in the next couple of weeks we’ll have our new additions in and be a really strong presence in L1 again next year so cheer up. 😁
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Post by OohMac on Jul 29, 2024 17:17:53 GMT
I'd love nothing better than to make a full apology to Evatt and co. There's no doubt that Wembley has changed my view and yes pretty much every story I read now has got me questioning the decisions.
It's irked me that after that root and branch investigation the takeaway findings was that Chris is great, Ian is great. No player needs to be moved on. We can have another assistant manager.
I'm encouraged by a different style of system being played with more emphasis on getting the ball to the forward players but jeez doesn't have make me think how we couldn't have tried that a.) A lot sooner and b.) In game time. We had the players to go 433, 541, 523, 442 and didn't change a thing last season.
Think by September we'll know how it pans out.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 30, 2024 11:55:34 GMT
I think we’re all reserving judgement for this season until we see what develops OM. I suppose the shock and disappointment of how last season ended and not just Wembley because we failed well before that, will take a while to get over but I’m hopeful that everybody, players and management, learned from it and will look to put it right this year. Whether some players can put it behind them or will dwell on it remains to be seen and obviously whatever new players we get in should help as they weren’t tainted by what happened. As you say, we’ll have a good idea by late September which way it’s going but I think a good start is essential if we’re going to challenge for the automatics so I’m keeping my pecker up and saying we will. 😁
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 30, 2024 19:57:47 GMT
I think we’re all reserving judgement for this season until we see what develops OM. I suppose the shock and disappointment of how last season ended and not just Wembley because we failed well before that, will take a while to get over but I’m hopeful that everybody, players and management, learned from it and will look to put it right this year. Whether some players can put it behind them or will dwell on it remains to be seen and obviously whatever new players we get in should help as they weren’t tainted by what happened. As you say, we’ll have a good idea by late September which way it’s going but I think a good start is essential if we’re going to challenge for the automatics so I’m keeping my pecker up and saying we will. 😁 Given that we’ve really struggled so far to add to the current squad, it’s a bloody good job we didn’t get promoted because I don’t think we’ve manage to get into the other half against a second string championship side tonight have to ask, Evatt, do you actually know what you’re doing or are you just blagging and hoping for good luck again? sorry W63 if you think I’m adding to OooooooM’s tales of woe, but come in, I know it’s only a friendly but even you can see that Evatt is trying any formation that brings him luck (or should that be the other way around) championship sides beat Fiorentena in friendlies, we didn’t, quite a lot of the teams in our league have so far beaten championship sides in these pre season friendlies, oh, I forgot, we beat WBA cant get excited for this season as I’m still smarting from Wembley nice to see that Wigan AND Blackpool get the chance to embarrass us again but this time on SKY😩😩😩
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Post by OohMac on Jul 30, 2024 21:25:43 GMT
I just can't believe we're playing this fixture without having signed the players we know we needed.
Even if we sign the players we want we won't now have time to work with then pre season so they better be good to learn on the job. (Something Evatt has always been opposed to)
Don't really care about Stoke, Fiorentina or Port Vale. Doesn't matter. But I don't think we're ready for this season by a long chalk.
I guess all I can say at this point is "we'll see".
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 31, 2024 12:07:05 GMT
Obviously we’d rather have had the new players in by now but I’m sure Evatt and Markham are doing everything they can to do just that. Unfortunately we have no control over the target clubs and players situations so we just have to wait. I’ve never seen this guy from Killie play so I can’t comment on him but McAfee I saw several times with Barnsley last season yet to be honest I never really noticed him. Dembele looked ok but nowhere near a million pound player to me and was regularly left out by Blackpool. Of course the problem comes if we don’t get any of them. What do we do then? You’d hope that Evatt has alternatives in mind but we just don’t know. With only two weeks left 7ntil the season starts I think it’s pretty clear we aren’t going to have one or more of them in before kick off but to be fair assuming we can get the main players fit we should be easily capable of starting well.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 31, 2024 14:22:53 GMT
Well again Whites I keep hearing about how we've moved on from freebies and are sitting at the table with Championship clubs.
Firstly there's nothing at all wrong with free transfers. We've done well off them in the past.
Also is that just an ego trip just so you can say you're shopping in the same aisle as Championship clubs.
Unless we actually sign those players it's all cheap talk and hearsay. I could offer £100k for a million pound house and when it gets sold to proper owners can tell all my mates "I nearly got that, put an offer in but just wasn't meant to be"
I'd have been happier if we'd have freebies if it meant we have a proper left wing back to replace the in and out Williams, a right wing back to either work with or an upgrade on JDC and a DM.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 31, 2024 17:13:49 GMT
I get really bored to death sometimes with all that’s written and said about our beloved Bolton, some good and some bad, with contributions from me and others, we all have summat to say.
Always wondered what this forum would have looked like had it been around in the Rioch or BSA days when we were doing great!!!
I am just rambling as usual, but when I compare Darragh McAnthony, Barry Fry and Darren Ferguson with our very own Sharon Brittan, Chris Markham an Evatt and I look at Ivan Toney, Sammy Szmodics, Harrison Burrows versus our outgoings, we’re nowhere near a sustainable club in terms of finances, but not only that, Ferguson seems to have an eye for a better player than Evatt and also develops their potential better than Evatt, which is why, for a small club with small following, they’re always dining at the top table on this league and I expect them to be doing so this term
Sharon, keep an eye on how it’s done over at Peterborough, they seem to know how to do it better than most
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 31, 2024 18:51:05 GMT
Maybe the answer is .........Barrie Fry. The fact that they have had to let their captain go to Sheffield United for not a lot does not mean our signings will not some day be wanted further up the scale. For now I hope to see them gel as a successful side after the purchase of one or more players, including a defensive midfield player, who could make all the difference.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 31, 2024 22:32:52 GMT
Maybe the answer is .........Barrie Fry. The fact that they have had to let their captain go to Sheffield United for not a lot does not mean our signings will not some day be wanted further up the scale. For now I hope to see them gel as a successful side after the purchase of one or more players, including a defensive midfield player, who could make all the difference. Ken if our answer is Sheehan, Morley and Dempsey again, rather than a combative midfielder that doesn’t get shoved around so easily, then we’ll have the same problems again this season
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