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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 23, 2021 16:20:08 GMT
Can’t believe I’m
Saying this, come back Parkhoofson
Letting KH go seems a huge mistake as they look towards the play offs
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Post by davidm on Jan 23, 2021 16:57:02 GMT
Utterly pathetic.
60 minutes of tripe.
10 minutes of attacking and then we just gave up
Awful
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 23, 2021 17:01:00 GMT
How poor are we really. To be fair the referee was awful today but no excuses, we were bad and deserved nothing. That’s pretty much it now, you can’t see anything positive to cling on to. We had chances but poor shooting and some good saves by their keeper but really that was about as bad as it gets. We should start planning for next season now because this team can only look down now to ensure we stay up.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 23, 2021 17:09:47 GMT
By the time we stopped playing like schoolboys in a playground the referee, straight out of the Barrie Knight school of refereein, took over, Very dubious penalty, and then a failure to send off their defender Mont for a foul on Sarcevic, who looked to be in a virtual goalscoring position.
Even so this type of first half performance , tactics, and team selection once again show up Evatt's inabilities. Picking the loanee Elbouzedi ahead of Gnahoua was total naivete. Once again we had a right-footer on the left.
Like so many games this season this was one we could and should have won with reasonable organisation .Sarcevic only looks half fit to me. Will Evatt ever learn proper selection and tactics ? It seems to me that Darcy is definitely on his way, a player who can run with the ball and see a pass. What a waste !
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 23, 2021 17:10:16 GMT
weird game. hardly create anything significant for 60 mins. then suddenly have 3 shots on target in 5 mins ( 65 mins to 70 mins) including the goal, and we looked like we might do our usual good late spell..maybe even nick it like we had the possibilty at Carlisle, where Carlisle had played much better than Tranmere against us. for once Evatt might have some valid gripes. was it really a pen. several replays, i saw nothing. Santos was holding Vaughan but clearly wasn't given for that. then their centre back Monthe holding back Sarce on a breakaway. didn't get a clear enough view of the Delaney incident . very distant view. looked like it could have been deliberate but can't be sure. on to Mansfield now..on Tuesday. i see they won today 1-0. i also see they've won their last 5 !! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/mansfield-town/table |
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Post by davidm on Jan 23, 2021 17:13:35 GMT
Hopeless.
We just did not compete for the first 60 minutes.
Rank bad passing, awful ball control and little desire.
We then had 10 minutes of play when we scored and should have equalised but then faded and Delaney compounded the worst performance anyone could have by stupidly being sent off.
After that we just faded away and gave up.
Tranmere were yards sharper than us in every challenge and pressed our back 4 well.
Referee should have sent Monte off - terrible decision.
Another appalling performance.
Marks:-
Gilks - 5 He doesn’t seem to dive anymore. Probably wouldn’t have mattered but I would like to have seen an attempt to save the goals. This rolling the ball out is not working.
Jones - 5 Still looks shaky and going forward is a waste of time.
Santos - 6 Defensively OK but his long passing was awful.
Delaney - 1 Just everything was wrong today. Responsible for goals and then sent off.
Jackson - 5 Reasonable but his passing leaves a lot to desire.
Sarcevic - 3 Scored but was poor. Did not start until we were 2 down and some dreadful passing.
Tutte - 4 So so. Couldn’t stop Tranmere attacking us.
Isgrove - 2 Terrible. Can’t think of a positive thing he did
Doyle - 3 Poor shooting today. Much too deep.
Elbouzedi - 2 Just nothing
Crawford - 2 Weak. Endlessly pushed of the ball. Passing was dreadful and marking/tackling non-existent.
Gnahoua - 5 Again looked decent but missed a glorious chance on his right foot
Delfouneso - 5 Looked more positive than Elbouzedi
Baptiste - 4
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 23, 2021 17:20:58 GMT
In the penalty incident I didn't see a foul by Delaney, only a robust tackle. A second or two earlier Crawford might have held one of their men back. Unless Sarcevic was feigning it he was definitely brought down by Monte.
Delaney was responsible for their first goal,. however.
Overall I was amazed how easily our platers were overpowered in 50-50 ball situations, and how when able to run forward with the ball they chose not to, and passed back or sideways. Although he made a difference, Gnahoua's miss from Sarcevic's pass was the turning point.
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Post by andyl on Jan 23, 2021 17:24:10 GMT
First things first, Evatt is steering us out of the league at some pace and should be terminated forthwith. Just looking at him assailing the referee at the end of a whole series of Evatt mistakes makes me sick. So let's deal with the distraction first. Just maybe Tranmere's centre half should have been sent off for a second yellow. That said I watched it three times and couldn't tell and Sarcevic and Doyle and others do look for fouls and go down easily. Otherwise everything was correct. Delaney most certainly committed a foul on Feeney more evocative of Jackie Pallo than an innocent. When two players clash heads like the two Tranmere players you halt play immediately and restart from where they fell
And despite all we had our chances to equalise. Gnahoua who made a generally bright contribution and would appear to have more skill than most missed a good chance and Baptiste scuffed an even simpler one making it appear that their keeper saved well.
But time and time again we begin sleepily, make a critical error and muster no momentum. We play it from the back until its lost, often still at the back. On what planet Crawford was preferred to Thomasson or Darcy I'll leave to others but Crawford was as usual awful , passing to nobody.
I actually thought Elbouzedi did quite well apart from a chronic aversion to shooting, which would appear to be a capital offence under Evatt. Delfouneso came on and initiially offered better control and a pass or two and then vanished. Here are my Evatt grumbles
1. Disgraceful etiquette and behaviour in almost every game, blinkered, hectoring and bullying
2. Long periods of tactical drift
3. Bizarre selections- no Darcy, Gnahouha behind Elbouzedi
4. Ridiculous use of Doyle who should be given a prison parole tag and told to stay in the middle and score goals and be in the penalty area at every opportunity- he roams everyere , poses no aerial presence, has poor control a lot of the time and passes wastefully. One good assist in the game it's true but in the box
5. Why not sub Delaney. It was obvious after the first goal that he was struggling and he carried on fouling Vaughan. He concedes a stupid penalty, passes appallingly and missed most aerial challenges fouling on several. Was Taft worse? Is Brockbank worse at centre back. In the end swathed in bandages he misses one more challenge , led with his arm and is rightly sent off
6. Santos yet again showed what a force he can be moving from midfield, so why just have him taking balls from Gilks and despatching them out of play. He nearly lost it once too. I thought he played ok today but how long we must have hearts in mouths watching this
7. Poor set pieces at both ends
It is not by chance that we are so dozy and only seem to perk up when behind. It all comes from the manager.
Unless we want to go down to the National league FV must act now
Gilks 6 Jones 6 Santos 7 Delaney 0 Jackson 6 ( good set piece kicks -puts Crawford to shame) Sarcevic 5 Crawford 1 Tutte 6 Elbouzedi 5 Doyle 3 Isgrove 4
The only mercy is that I'm not travelling back and forth from the Midlands to watch these games this season. Not sure I wouldn't begrudge the travel from Breightmet where I grew up if I still lived there. It may just be time to call it a day next season especially if Evatt is still there. This is just abysmal and the poor sportsmanship is the last straw for me.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 23, 2021 17:25:00 GMT
So you really thought Vaughan wasn't feigning when he and Delaney went up for a header and Delaney received a second yellow. and by they way where was Greenside today?
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Post by andyl on Jan 23, 2021 17:32:22 GMT
Sorry kenglowhite if we argue about the referee we miss the point entirely. And we fall into Evatt's way of thinking. The blame for that defeat lies squarely with manager and players. Are we really reduced to depending upon an opponent's dismissal. Anyway even if they had gone down to ten it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. If we can't shoot, can't pass, only try in fits and starts and make defensive blunders we deserve precisely what we get
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Post by davidm on Jan 23, 2021 17:34:38 GMT
The blame for that defeat lies squarely with manager and players. 100% agree there, Andy |
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Post by andyl on Jan 23, 2021 17:39:17 GMT
And re the penalty, Feeney ( of all players) is going along, probably not going to score moves the ball on and an off balance Delaney lunges at him nowhere near the ball, after indeed it moves forward and bashes into him, on his ( not Feeney's) way to ground. It was clumsy, careless and 100% a penalty and the danger was not great. Delaney should have been replaced at half time. Just how often is he going to give silly goals away without redress, not to mention the easy chances that have been missed.
I'm not sure the second yellow is deliberate but he most certainly catches Vaughan with his arm and that's enough even on a totting up model.
Delaney was not the referee's fault.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 23, 2021 17:45:21 GMT
Completely agree about the manager (see earlier post), but really think ref at fault for the penalty and the Monte foul on Sarcevic. Agree FV must act particularly after the selection and first half performance, treatment of Darcy, poor loan signings (though Jackson promising) and lack of action so far on goalkeeper and support striker.
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Post by davidm on Jan 23, 2021 18:07:48 GMT
Getting silly now
BWFC to report referee to the FA
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 23, 2021 19:01:58 GMT
Sorry, fully respect andyl's wish to show Corinthian views and experience as ex-referee, but have to agree with Evatt's opinions here, though not supporting him as team manager. Take the penalty - did Feeney manage or not to complete a good shot, which Gilks saved brilliantly, after Delaney's alleged penalty foul ? Did Delaney set out to foul Vaughan in their headed duel ? That's open to conjecture. Did Monthe seek to foul Sarcevic when potentially clean through on goal for the equaliser? I think yes. On balance I would definitely say our team got the wrong side of the refereeing coin today.
However, I would also say that this afternoon there was another team there for the taking with a competent Bolton team performance. The little boys on Bolton FM picked up the recent Evatt comments about consistency, but the word should really be COMPETENCE, and we showed little of that in the first half, as we always lost 50-50 balls, passed sideways when we should have run forward, were useless with the ball in the air. Remember how few attacks the opposition made during the whole game, and our manager doesn't know how to take advantage of that.
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