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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 13, 2020 22:16:00 GMT
good solid performance. kept them nicely at bay..most of the time. Salford played like we did in early games. lots of possession. pass it sideways and back & get nowhere. all possession in wrong areas. slow. their fans must be as frustrated as we were then.
not too many of our individuals had to hit the heights really. Didn't notice Delf much. Sarce. Crawford . Kioso. 1 good block from Kioso 2nd half.
just a good solid well organised team performance. filled the spaces well. disciplined. Geoff Boycott style....gritty. dig in.. plod on. !! graft. concentration. no unforced errors. play yourself in.
Gilks, Tutte, Santos, Delaney all among better performers.
Gilks for his constant vocal involvements :
Doyle & Baptiste also pretty good. Doyle must have enjoyed that game far more than many others. far more involvements. chasing & sniffing at 2nd balls & in channels from long balls, and pressuring some of the ponderous passing out from their defence.
as mentioned in earlier post on this thread. 3 easier games to come up in lge. remains to be seen if we can translate this sort of performance to the weaker sides..where we 've generally tried to go more expansive...more Evatt & it goes wrong. this was much more like the Cambridge & Harrogate performances. more direct. defence sat deeper... Santos excellent with this style of defending..not defending on half way line, and having to run back... where the frailties start coming out.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 13, 2020 22:23:46 GMT
Weird thing is that Salford played so much like Ian Evatts Bolton. Lots of possession, no real end product. Some nice touches and passes but to no avail and got picked off by a team that look organised. As Wellens said at 2-0 there was no looking like they believed they could get back.
There was little in it to be honest, one moment of real quality when Sarce put a great pacey ball through for Doyle to guide home.
With so many players not fully fit it was a hard game to manage, we probably could have done with getting fresh legs in the middle Darcy, White for Crawford and Tutte but needed to keep an eye on Doyle, Jones, Fonz and Sarc.
Negatives are fewer but there are some. Thought we could have kicked on at 1-0 but never did. We almost threw it away 20 seconds into the restart. Not sure whats on the end of Jones'left leg but I dont think its a left foot. Fonz seems to think if Doyle plays he gets time off and Crawford, very poor. Set pieces need a lot of work and really poor on most levels today.
But more about the positives today. Gilks commanded his team, Santos dominated, Delaney cleaned up, Baptiste steady eddy and I thought Kioso did a good job both tracking back and lending support but not as swashbuckling as when he first came through. Doyle clinical. 4 strikers getting a runout. If fit Tutte much better than Comley and White.
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 13, 2020 22:50:10 GMT
As I have constantly said this season - What a difference an experienced goalkeeper, who can take the rough and tumble and organise his defence, can make. Even brought the best out of Baptiste, and I felt Jones also played well, much better than Gordon. Nevertheless was kept on the edge of my seat whenever Salford attacked. Think Sarcevic tackles back well, but still think he might be better used spraying passes from around half way - conserve his energy too.
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Post by davidm on Nov 14, 2020 11:27:47 GMT
Did anyone else notice Sky TVs obvious bias towards Salford?
At the start of the programme with David Prutton, it was all Salford with just a cursory comment re Bolton. Then during commentary, it was mainly pro-Salford. Lee Hendrie, to his credit, did praise our defensive shape.
I watched the highlights from the Sky website this morning. It showed our 2 goals but then 5 or 6 Salford attempts including 2 awful way over the bar long range attempts which could never be counted as highlights in any respect. They then totally ignored Sarcevic’s 2 good chances in the second half and also ignored the centre from Miller that Kioso just missed.
Very biased.
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Post by Alptrotter on Nov 14, 2020 11:57:44 GMT
Davidm, my daughter watched the game on Sky and said the same thing - the coverage 'was Salford. They even dragged out Gary Neville.'
By all accounts a much more solid team performance and just maybe an end to Evatt's obsession with possession stats. Maybe it's not great that we now have 3 so called easier games where we might be expected to boss possession.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 14, 2020 16:38:32 GMT
as much as the 2nd goal is an error and a fairly unforced error. it's still an error that we probably wouldn't have forced if we had stuck rigidly to the Evatt philosophy.
look at it 1.21. forces the defender to turn and run back, rather than all nice and easy. all in front of him. & nice bit of pressure from Doyle. mix it up. make them think. Gilks was also doing his own bit of mixing it up. set defenders up from a goal kick as if he was gonna play it short. then 90% lumped it. once at least , he did play short.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
Statistics mean nothing you can read to much into them I’ve seen many games we’re teams have dominated by sometimes 80% and still lost the only thing I’m interested in is the score at the end of the game last night it said 2-0 to my beloved team let’s have more wins like that stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 14, 2020 20:33:20 GMT
Their own goal reminded me of an almost identical one conceded by Wanderers at that very same end almost 10 years ago. Sam Ricketts put the ball past Jussi, and I can still see the look on Jussi's face. I did not find the commentary too biased. You can understand the interest in Salford arising from where they have come and their ownership. John Stowell was a new name to me as the voice of Sky and I thought him quite fair. Even with the inter-round comments I felt Fil Morais easily outweighed Danny Webber, and all lavishly praised the stadium as "Premier League Standard" frequently. Nice to see the Nevilles at the football home of their birthplace, though they are frequently claimed by Bury, having grown up at Holcombe Brook Both were actually born here. Their grandfather, Alec Neville worked at the BEN and as a waiter at weekends at the Derby Ward Labour Club. Their father, Neville Neville, was a playing member at Tonge Cricket Club, when they signed for Alex Ferguson's United. As usual BWFC were very poor at recruitment.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 14, 2020 22:56:22 GMT
1.07. ( see vid above) the one ball that troubled Santos on the night. what was it...long ball !. for all Salford's passing and possession. directness nearly did the trick even for them. (Delaney had actually caused the above issue by getting sucked out of position. Santos had shifted over to the left side. and for a sec, there was a massive gap to Baptiste , that you could drive a coach & horses thru' ! it did seem very needless..we didn't have the ball...why is Delaney going out there. needs to be a bit careful. got caught high & dry for Crewe's 1st last week. ) old Charlie Reep would be rubbing his hands.. famous for stats supposedly proving most goals are scored with 3 passes or less. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Reep it doesn't have to be long ball. high pressing also leads to low pass goals. win the ball high, catch defence off guard...ball in to striker..goal.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 14, 2020 23:21:26 GMT
Anybody notice how the results went for us today? Nearly all the top teams lost points, bringing them closer to us. Now only 6 points from the play offs and with 3 very winnable games to come. If we can continue the improvement in form and Evatt can resist the urge to foist Billy C back on us then by Christmas we should be well in the mix and with a few replacements in January can look to challenge the automatic places. Las nights performance should have lifted everyone’s confidence, so it’s only upwards from here hopefully?
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Post by OohMac on Nov 14, 2020 23:52:47 GMT
As good as the performance was(and it wasnt perfect by a long stretch) i dont have much confidence that it means we'll go to Stevenage any better.
We didnt create much, we didnt outplay or show our superiority. Salford CB did more than us.
We dug in. We took our oppurtunity. We cant presume because we beat Salford we should steamroll others. Need to set up the same mentality every game and maybe we will pick teams off more easily.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 3:35:15 GMT
Anybody notice how the results went for us today? Nearly all the top teams lost points, bringing them closer to us. Now only 6 points from the play offs and with 3 very winnable games to come. If we can continue the improvement in form and Evatt can resist the urge to foist Billy C back on us then by Christmas we should be well in the mix and with a few replacements in January can look to challenge the automatic places. Las nights performance should have lifted everyone’s confidence, so it’s only upwards from here hopefully? On the other hand whites, I don't think any of the teams below us registered a loss today, so it's a good job we won, otherwise we'd be sitting just over the bottom three. We are playing Lge2, or Division 4 football and results are as predictable as the stock market. From the highlights on YouTube, I thought it looked quite scrappy. Don't hold your breath.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 15, 2020 9:17:17 GMT
Well you can’t have it both ways wots and if we’re trying to catch the teams above us it needs the teams below us to beat them and so personally I thought the results yesterday were brilliant. As you say, at this level teams will win one week and lose the next so if we can put a run together we should soon make up the ground on those above. I didn’t find the game in the least scrappy, I never felt Salford were going to score and with the chances we had, we should have won much more comfortably. That, as I’ve said before, is my concern. We don’t score enough, even when we’re on top. I’m not a big Fonz fan, he doesn’t support Doyle at all and was pretty anonymous yesterday. Miller isn’t the answer so if Evatt has any places left in January, another proven goalscorers, even an old one, is an essential for me. I thought we were all round terrific yesterday and can see definite progress forming but we just still need that finishing touch. I hate to admit this but the Washing Machine would suit us really well at the moment!!
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Post by OohMac on Nov 15, 2020 18:18:36 GMT
I didnt notice the Salford bias but accept that Skys preferred narrative is look how far Salford have come. They were rivals with Ramsbottom 5 years ago and now playing at The Reebok Stadium.
No doubt the Nevilles will have seen this as a milestone.
Seems to be a bit of needle between Wellens and Doyle. RW was asked about Doyle, to be fair as a losing manager you dont really want to face questions about the player whos just scored, but his answer was abrupt. Which suits me as I thought Classof92 might back RW and that may have(and stil may) culminate in a transfer for Doyle and Sarce. Would 500k be tempting for two free agents?
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