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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 1, 2020 16:28:18 GMT
Tues 3/11 . k.o 7pm Mansfield are in 22nd place. played 10. 0 wins. drew 6. lost 4. fewer defeats than us, as we've lost 5. their joint topscorers only have 2 goals... one of them being Harry Charsley who had a strange loan spell at BWFC in 17/18 (from Everton) . went straight into the 1st team, got subbed off and was never seen again. Charsley also has 3 assists. their most well known player is probably Nicky Maynard- striker. 15 goals all comps last season. way back in 09/10 he was playing for Bristol city. he scored 20 lge goals (Championship) and earned himself a move to West ham eventually. rattled around a few other clubs. had a good spell with Bury in lge 2 18/19 season scoring 21 lge goals. he's been having a quiet season up to now...but did score on sat'day in a 1-1 draw with Walsall. (1st of the season in lge ) this is Mansfield's worst start to a season in 106 years. oh dear... we seem to like giving teams helping hands when they come to us with shocking stats like this...Orient..no home wins..no clean sheets... there you go lads. !! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54671228they've recently sacked their manager. interesting list of managers in the betting for that job : m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/26600360Paul Hurst8/11 Nigel Clough1/1 Paul Heckingbottom 9/1 Paul Cook10/1 Gary Caldwell 14/1 Graham Alexander14/1 Simon Grayson 14/1 Danny Cowley16/1 David Flitcroft16/1 Peter Murphy 16/1 Steve Evans 16/1 Darrell Clarke 18/1 Paul Ince 18/1 Jake Buxton 20/1 John Terry 20/1 Micky Mellon 20/1 Rob Edwards 20/1 Jonathan Woodgate 22/1 Nigel Adkins 22/1 Paul Tisdale 22/1 Shaun Derry 22/1 Steve Watson 22/1 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink 25/1 Keith Hill25/1 Lee Johnson 25/1 Michael Duff 25/1 Michael Jolley 25/1 Russell Slade 25/1 Sol Campbell 25/1 Richie Wellens 28/1 Gary Bowyer 33/1 John McGreal 33/1 Kevin Nolan 33/1 prediction. i'll go 1-1. not sure if i can risk a bet. nothing like getting a run for your money. I almost lost the last one after just 14 secs. out of jail..only to be slung back in again after 7 mins. think I'll wait for team news.... Darcy, Isgrove, Miller would be an improvement.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 1, 2020 19:44:04 GMT
Any reason why youve put some managers in Bold? Its pretty much the list we'd have if we got rid or if Evatt walked.
Got to admit some names look ok. Paul Cook. Alexander. I would also like to think Lee Johnson in the mix.
After Tuesday we may have to give more thought. Some of these wont be out of work too long.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 1, 2020 20:23:51 GMT
Any reason why youve put some managers in Bold? Its pretty much the list we'd have if we got rid or if Evatt walked. Got to admit some names look ok. Paul Cook. Alexander. I would also like to think Lee Johnson in the mix. After Tuesday we may have to give more thought. Some of these wont be out of work too long. yes, the list has a number of decent candidates. more than expected. how viable they are I don't know. clubs might want them, but would they want Lge 2 jobs. just highlighted the 2 ex- BWFC guys..plus rest possibly of more interest if the BWFC job did become vacant. with the exception of Hurst, as don't know much about him. just highlighted him 'cos he was the fave. Grayson is someone i've always respected too. promotions with 3 different clubs. Blackpool ,Huddersfield and Leeds & decent job at Preston too. www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/simon-grayson/Happy'ish at the mo to give Evatt more time. although as the old cliche goes, it's a results business, and losing to winless Mansfield would pile the pressure on yet again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Evatt#Management_statisticsEvatt's win % is awful. 15.4% clubs around us like Mansfield & Tranmere are pulling the trigger on managers with similar %'s. but a keeper can have a massive influence. one with lowest saves ratio in the Div is dragging us down severely. how much better would we be with an average or even good keeper. I would guess 2 or 3 pt's better with an Average g/k, ..maybe 4 to 5 with a very good one.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 1, 2020 21:04:54 GMT
We gave Hill an 8 month contract and pulled the trigger. With Evatt we made an effort to buy into a project, not a quick fix.
10 games into a 3 year deal is still far too early.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 1, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
insert code here fbref.com/en/comps/16/League-Two-Statsfbref.com/en/comps/16/League-Two-Stats Play Perf Pena Squad # Pl MP Starts Min GA GA90 SoTA Saves[b] Save%[/b] W D L CS CS% PKatt PKA PKsv PKm Stevenage 1 10 10 900 8 0.80 37 32 .838 1 4 5 4 40.0 3 2 1 0 Salford City 1 9 9 810 6 0.67 36 30 .833 4 4 1 5 55.6 0 0 0 0 Port Vale 1 10 10 900 7 0.70 28 24 .821 6 1 3 5 50.0 3 2 1 0 Walsall 1 10 10 900 11 1.10 37 30 .811 2 7 1 2 20.0 4 4 0 0 Leyton Orient 1 10 10 900 11 1.10 42 33 .786 4 3 3 4 40.0 3 2 1 0 Bradford City 1 9 9 810 11 1.22 40 30 .750 2 3 4 1 11.1 2 1 0 1 Grimsby Town 1 9 9 810 12 1.33 36 27 .750 2 3 4 2 22.2 3 3 0 0 Newport County 1 10 10 900 7 0.70 28 21 .750 8 1 1 4 40.0 0 0 0 0 Cambridge Utd 1 10 10 900 7 0.70 20 15 .750 6 2 2 5 50.0 2 2 0 0 Colchester Utd 1 9 9 810 11 1.22 37 27 .730 3 4 2 3 33.3 1 1 0 0 Cheltenham 1 10 10 900 8 0.80 22 16 .727 6 1 3 6 60.0 2 2 0 0 Exeter City 2 10 10 900 10 1.00 32 23 .719 5 4 1 3 30.0 1 1 0 0 FG Rovers 1 10 10 900 8 0.80 27 19 .704 5 3 2 4 40.0 0 0 0 0 Crawley Town 1 10 10 900 11 1.10 36 25 .694 5 2 3 3 30.0 0 0 0 0 Mansfield Town 2 10 10 900 15 1.50 45 31 .689 0 6 4 3 30.0 1 1 0 0 Barrow 1 10 10 900 14 1.40 36 24 .667 2 5 3 1 10.0 2 2 0 0 Harrogate 2 10 10 900 9 0.90 27 19 .667 4 3 3 5 50.0 1 0 1 0 S****horpe Utd 2 8 8 720 17 2.12 41 27 .659 1 1 6 1 12.5 3 3 0 0 Tranmere Rovers 2 10 10 900 12 1.20 30 19 .633 2 3 5 4 40.0 1 1 0 0 Carlisle United 1 10 10 900 10 1.00 24 15 .625 5 2 3 3 30.0 2 1 1 0 Oldham Athletic 3 10 10 900 20 2.00 49 31 .612 2 2 6 0 0.0 2 1 1 0 Morecambe 1 10 10 900 19 1.90 43 24 .558 5 1 4 2 20.0 0 0 0 0 Southend United 1 10 10 900 22 2.20 47 26 .553 0 2 8 0 0.0 1 1 0 0 Bolton 1 10 10 900 16 1.60 30 16 .467 2 3 5 2 20.0 2 0 2 0
these are the save % stats i was referring to in my reply to OM above. 46.7% for us at the min. even average = 66%. top have 83.8% !! have a little scan at the two columns to the left of that ..saves and shots on target against(SOTA). top of the table newport have let 28 SOTA... but only let 7 goals compared to our 16. Stevenage aren't doing great in the real table. struggle scoring . but the top notch keeping (32 saves !) means they've conceded lowest number of any team in the bottom half. just 8. no other team in bottom half has conceded less than 11 goals. our actual SOTA...isn't great, but it's not horrendous. it's steady midtable . combine poor protection of your keeper ( high SOTA) with bad save % and you end up with the nightmare that is Southends defensive record... 22 goals conceded. Oldham and Morecambe only slightly less bad on both. morecambe shipped 19, Oldham 20.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 1, 2020 21:49:07 GMT
Over on the mainland they hate Evatt for his stats and algorithms.
I do think Evatt needs to strip it right back. Forget 12k runs a match, forget 65% possession. Us v Them. Our eleven will win. Find a way.
Take the handbrake off.
At least start making sense. None of it makes much sense to me. 2 left backs on the bench? Right back at left back? No striker on the bench? No keeper on the bench? Baptiste asked to play like Rio Ferdinand. Crawford shooting like hes trying to hit a green 200m away.
I know we copy America a lot but i'd like to "call a time out" in Evatts match, pause it and ask him wtf he thinks is happening? He sees or doesnt see what thousands of fans do(or dont) God, sounds like a Boris statement.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 2, 2020 18:36:03 GMT
Over on the mainland they hate Evatt for his stats and algorithms. I do think Evatt needs to strip it right back. Forget 12k runs a match, forget 65% possession. Us v Them. Our eleven will win. Find a way. Take the handbrake off. At least start making sense. None of it makes much sense to me. 2 left backs on the bench? Right back at left back? No striker on the bench? No keeper on the bench? Baptiste asked to play like Rio Ferdinand. Crawford shooting like hes trying to hit a green 200m away. I know we copy America a lot but i'd like to "call a time out" in Evatts match, pause it and ask him wtf he thinks is happening? He sees or doesnt see what thousands of fans do(or dont) God, sounds like a Boris statement. I don’t really want IE to stop his methods OM but I do want him to revise them a bit when it becomes clear some of the players aren’t up to it. Doesn’t mean he has to bin his beliefs just match them to the capability of his players. I do though think that some things are so obvious that it’s becoming embarrassing and that’s that Crellin and Baptiste aren’t up to this and Gnahoua is not a striker. With Fonz also now out along with Doyle and Faal and Miller not yet fit it looks like he’s going to have to dip into the kids, though after their toothless cup performance last week, God help him. That means that I anticipate tomorrow’s game being a low scoring affair and probably settled by a single goal. Despite his tribulations I still expect Evatt to unbelievably stick with Crellin but if Mansfield score at his expense, as is all too likely, then I think he needs to be forced to act. I’m always confident, fool that I am so I’m going with a 1-0 win with Ali Crawford finally breaking his duck.
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Post by thegrud1 on Nov 2, 2020 20:53:16 GMT
I find it odd when evatt says he picks players on their training form when every sat they dont perform...some players are not good trainers and need live action to perform...if its not working change it !!!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 2, 2020 23:11:17 GMT
4 one-two's in this 1st run by Darcy. (is that a record?) . awful return by Crawford for the last one. what he does well is pass AND MOVE. keep moving ..open up space. move opponents about. I also like how he points to the space for Sarce to pass it into. very good first touch to control a fast moving ball from the keeper. good first touches throughout. seriously if you can't see this as a manager from day 1..you may as well sod right off. you are never going to get it if you can't see these basics. others that can't trap a bag of cement get given numerous chances. ( ignore the middle vid duplication) yet another one-two in this 2nd clip. again, he's on the MOVE showing for the ball.
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Post by davidm on Nov 3, 2020 10:19:44 GMT
Well, what do we expect tonight?
After Cambridge and Bradford, I was optimistic for the rest of the season but to see us fall apart on Saturday was awful.
We are playing a team who have had a worse start than us so, surely, we must win this one.
The manager is obviously going to pick Crellin in goal.
What is all this about Gilks in the Bolton News today:- “Matt Gilks will soon push Billy Crellin for a first team spot at Wanderers, says Ian Evatt. The goalkeeper coach has upped his workload in training and could push the current number one for his position in the coming weeks.”
COMING WEEKS!! - What the devil has he been doing since August if he is now upping his workload?
The manager states that Alexander is not ready so what was his plan if Crellin was injured or, as has happened, his form was appalling? I do not understand.
Similar comment re strikers. The manager complains that Crellin is getting bad press because the strikers are not scoring. Again, we have no Plan B if either, or both, strikers get injured. At the last moment, he signed, obviously unfit, cover in Miller and Gnahoua. Are either of those regarded as out and out strikers?
We seemed to have concentrated on signing defenders/defensive players. The substitute bench each match is farcical – just full of left footed defenders!
Anyway back to tonight and at last a result to cheer us – 2-0 home win.
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Post by one2many on Nov 3, 2020 12:06:07 GMT
Good points davidm. What a ridiculous situation where even the manager is admitting that we have a rubbish goalkeeper but sadly no one else to challenge him. He is in effect telling the other goalkeepers 1) you are unprepared and 2) you are even worse than the goalkeeper who plays every match. If he was OUR goalkeeper, I would understand the insistance on his playing every game, but he is a loanee. Is there a deal in place with Fleetwood that he must play x games? Why no competion for that place?
Back to the match tonight. No idea on the score so 0-0. What i do know is that i will not be paying ifollow to watch it.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 3, 2020 14:28:15 GMT
I would normally be really confident for this one despite our poor start but I honestly can’t see where a goals going to come from. We are completely toothless up front and if Evatt trains this lot on anything it should be shooting because frankly it’s been abysmal. We know some of them can shoot so why has it been so poor, even when in good positions it’s either miss the target or just dolly it to the keeper. Let’s hope someone finds his boots tonight and Billy has learnt how to catch. I’ll stick my neck out and say 1-0 to Whites.
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Post by bonaparte on Nov 3, 2020 16:08:19 GMT
whites, I don't know whether you saw match of the day on Saturday, and Shearers comments about Sheff Us striking. They had players in the box, but no service, he quite rightly said as a striker in the box he would be spitting feathers. Plenty of nice passing in the build up etc, but without a ball into the box, then he of the strikers guild would give up working hard to get in the box pointless. Probably Doyle Delfonso and Gnahoua feel the same. Initially Kioso did put the crosses in, but not recently. No service, no goals simple.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 3, 2020 17:43:02 GMT
I would normally be really confident for this one despite our poor start but I honestly can’t see where a goals going to come from. We are completely toothless up front and if Evatt trains this lot on anything it should be shooting because frankly it’s been abysmal. We know some of them can shoot so why has it been so poor, even when in good positions it’s either miss the target or just dolly it to the keeper. Let’s hope someone finds his boots tonight and Billy has learnt how to catch. I’ll stick my neck out and say 1-0 to Whites. When we signed players at 6 foot 6 my thought was we would be very dangerous with Crawford or Darcy set pieces. Very poor from the little we've had. Cant really get much simpler than the tactic of quality delivery meets dominant header. No confidence tonight. Hate those "havent won a game all season" or "hasnt scored a goal since Janaury. 1997." Because its inevitable "until now" Throw in Evatts Gilkes comments. Which i read as "i would drop him if there was anyone else at all"
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 3, 2020 18:00:31 GMT
whites, I don't know whether you saw match of the day on Saturday, and Shearers comments about Sheff Us striking. They had players in the box, but no service, he quite rightly said as a striker in the box he would be spitting feathers. Plenty of nice passing in the build up etc, but without a ball into the box, then he of the strikers guild would give up working hard to get in the box pointless. Probably Doyle Delfonso and Gnahoua feel the same. Initially Kioso did put the crosses in, but not recently. No service, no goals simple. What you say is true boney but to be fair the players have had the ball in and around the box but nobody seems to know what to do with it. We started off the season not having shots but recently and especially on Saturday, we had lots of shots yet not one on target, including free kicks. Shearer would be spitting feathers because he takes up positions in the box he can score from whereas without a true striker worth the name, we get few in there to be crossed to. Heaven knows who’s going to be up front tonight if Fonz doesn’t make it because Gnahoua is never a striker in this world and neither are any of the others. Perhaps he might try Amoateng up there as a last resort as he’s unlikely to start Miller if he’s not 100%? Probably time the midfielders stepped up with a few or even the Centre halves from set pieces as OM says? Let’s just hope someone does or I fear the worst!! 🙁
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