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Post by andyl on Nov 3, 2020 21:12:11 GMT
Yet again a completely unfit side is outplayed by a weak one, the manager makes continuous misjudgments and the players stroll about to seemingly inevitable defeat. And up pops Sarcevic to spare Evatt's job perhaps- assuming FV have the money to act.
It's depressing beyond description. Even off the ball we saw Crellin fall over, Baptiste make a pathetic attempt in the first half and an open goal missed and a whole catalogue of errors. Darcy was by far the best player for thirty minutes and then nothing. But then he hasn't been played. Delfouneso occasionally went through the motions and looked as if he would rather be anywhere else.
When Gordon came on he was dreadful, missing every pass, looking sluggish, getting caught in possession and generally weakening the team, only really moving forward in the last few minutes.
Kioso showed why he was released to us , flattering to deceive. Santos made some good forward runs and was okish. Another set piece concession with anything near Crellin looking goalworthy. He did make did make a couple of easy but necessary early saves this time. However he was his usual apprehensive, scary self. Needs putting out of his and our misery
I thought Miller looked promising in moments but Gnahoua very average. There is perhaps a pattern here of new signings impressing briefly and then deteriorating?
Saving worst for last. White. I thought he outComleyed Comley looking ponderous, slow and backwards of default. He also dropped his head for fully thirty minutes until a brief death rattle towards the end.
You will gather that I was unimpressed in the extreme.. Crawford just drives me insane-he always tries the complex option and seldom has the skill to pull it off; why does he take free kicks both Sarcevic and Darcy are surely better options most of the time.. But just as I was about to give him 0 he pulls off the pass of the game and found Sarcevic. I think his attempted lob was perhaps missing? But anyway the keeper deadened it and for the third time we came back to equalise
It's going to be a long season not least because although I would agree that there are moments or glimpses of good play ( eg the first fifteen of Darcy, albeit with Crawford in the way) so much is absolute dross. Can it go on ? I fear so. At this level Evatt looks lost and increasingly boorish. Can we do a Barrow and improve. I'm not so sure.
Crellin 3 Baptiste 4 Santos 5 Delaney 5 Brockbank 3 Gordon 2 White 2 Crawford 2 Kioso 1 Delfouneso 0 Darcy 4 Gnaouha 1 Miller 2 Sarcevic 5
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 3, 2020 21:39:21 GMT
Another game we've dominated. not my words..Evatts tomorrow. very lucky to get out of jail. Mansfield must be absolutely gutted. they were cruising. worst start for 100+ yrs. caretaker boss. no wins... and yet cruising. how damning can you get .
4 shots on target to (our) 1 up to 89th minute. then 1 tame shot by Gnahoua. and a good pass by Crawford, decent goal by Sarce and we nick a draw. ( final shots on target count 4-3 to them ) if that stat had lasted with the 4-1 (that it was up to 89th min.). it would have been over 2 GAMES.... 10 -1 TO OPPONENTS (6+4 = 10 TO OUR 1 TONIGHT). & these aren't top 2 sides we've played. which only prolongs the agony, because by then I'm wanting Mansfield to win and give us some blessed relief and get this guy out of here. the players clearly aren't playing for him IMO. the Darcy sub was a joke. sure he'd faded a bit but who hadn't. Crawford must have some photo's of Evatt in compromising positions to get so many starts & the full 90 again. gave the ball away so many times. why is he still on free kicks given we know Sarce hits a mean one ? so many moves broke down through his bad touches and passes. Mansfield started tentatively..but gradually grew into the game. by 40mins mark, they could smell blood. finished 1st half on top. too many issues that IE is just not dealing with. 1. replace keeper/ get sub keeper on bench. signs at least this will happen eventually but poor it's taking this long. 2. Santos should be in campo role. didn't get exposed today. you can't play high lines with him.. he hasn't got the pace to get back. so we end up with this mish-mash style which is neither pressing high or defending deep. 3. Sarce should be higher up. scored our goal. had our other best shot on target from outside the box. too much energy wasted going back. can't be in 2 places at once. had 1 very useful intercept of a cross at 17 mins mark, when White has got into trouble. he's like Rooney in the sense that he's willing to get back , and reads it well, but it feels like a waste. like Alf Ramsey said to Alan Ball & Nobby Stiles have you got a dog.... yes... does he fetch sticks...yes. you 2 fetch that ball , and give it to Bobby Charlton ! . 4. Crawford needs to fight for his place, not be handed it on a plate. 5. Darcy needs more minutes / more starts. 6. wing backs are creating nothing. only 2 accurate crosses per the stats today..both from Crawford.. I presume those were set pieces as i don't remember them. 0 from Kioso . only 1 attempted by him. Hickman got dragged off for far less than that. now Hickman is just rotting on the bench. only hopes for improvement are Miller and Isgrove. Doyle wouldn't have helped tonight. he wouldn't have got a kick as per usual.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 3, 2020 21:41:32 GMT
Yet another woeful performance! We set off well with some pretty midfield passing for 15/20 minutes but that only produced 1 shot on target. And then we just faded away and were totally outplayed by Mansfield. We are desperately short of some character in that side – someone to drive the team forward. We have no attacking ideas; in fact the last minute was the only positive move in the game. Passing is awful – second half we couldn’t find a pass to a colleague – just kept giving it away The manager needs to ask himself about team shape, motivation and why do we just fade away in matches at home. Marks:- Crellin - 4 A couple of really good saves but oh dear. Why didn’t he come and catch the corner that we conceded from? Kioso - 3 What has happened to the player who we first saw? Just not in the game. Brockbank - 4 Injured Baptiste - 4 Gave Mansfield their best chance and his passing left a lot to be desired Santos - 4 If Crellin wasn’t coming for the corner someone should have headed it but we all just stood and watched. Delaney - 5 Steady White - 2 Terrible. Can anyone remember a positive forward pass from him? Sarcevic - 4 After the first 15 minutes, he just wasn’t in it till the last minute but looks the only one in this side who looks capable of scoring – in fact capable of actually shooting! Crawford - 2 Every free kick wasted, every corner wasted, every shot off target until a magic pass in the last minute. This isn’t good enough though Delfouneso - 2 Did he touch the ball? Darcy - 5 I thought he was the most positive of our players Gordon - 3 We have now had a quarter of the season and I still do not see what he brings to the side Gnahoua - 2 Not a striker, in fact I do not know what he is Miller Pretty sure that match report and those ratings could have been pre-written before the game. I'm sick of looking at the teamsheets come in and seeing the same shower, in the same system. I'm sick of Evatts "this isnt good enough" post match and then going again, and again and again with the same guys. Yes i have sympathy if he didnt sign Taft, Greeneridge, Mascoll Comley, Ameotang, any of the guys he thinks are unworthy. Do you give Evatt another window to ship some out and give him 4 new players? We really could go down again. Look at that home form. Its awful. In a league full of shocking teams we are among the worst.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 3, 2020 21:52:56 GMT
Had fans been allowed in might the reaction to Darcys subbing off might have given Sharron and Michael food for thought?
Its just horrible, a load of money we dont have wasted. Cant afford to pay Evatt off. Cant afford to bring any other team and even if we could they still be working with this mob.
No decent manager does to a car crash like Bolton. All we'd get are the regular desperados.
Can see why its such a slippery slope. The worse you get the harder it becomes to recruit the right ones. Thought we got this one right, dont believe this anymore.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 3, 2020 22:26:35 GMT
I know I’m a lone voice here and I can’t in any way disagree that tonight was yet another let down but I still believe IE is the one for our job. I think we do have to remember the pool the players were signed from and make allowances for that. I think we can all safely agree that promotion, or even the play offs is now unlikely but not still impossible. There were again some real signs of progress in the first half but yet again we failed to profit from it. Evatt needs to find a way to add more penetration because if we don’t, everything else is wasted and is bound to sap confidence. Had we scored a goal or two early on I believe Mansfield would have cracked but our failure to capitalise just energised them. Yet again another injury affected the team with Brockbanks departure leading to the once more ineffective Gordon taking his place. Why Evatt doesn’t give Greenidge a run instead I don’t know but if I was him I’d try anything. I don’t know how patient management will be but I hope they don’t act hastily, however grim things appear to be because we all knew it was going to be a tough job stopping the rot and turning us round.
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 3, 2020 22:53:01 GMT
I know you are trying to make the most of a bad job, 63, but you are forgetting one thing - that Evatt is picking these teams, and invariably picks the players who failed in the previous match. In this case I give you Crellin,, Baptiste, Crawford, Gordon, and Kioso. He also reintroduced the immobile White tonight in place of Tutte, and took off Darcy, who was performing 100% better than the on-loan Rover. He is also failing to use some of our better players, including Senior, Hickman, and Riley (not sure if he is on a playing contract) and Alexander. He continues to go without a keeper on the bench, and gives us no sight of Greenidge, who he claims is a speed merchant, and maybe could be tried in the problem midfield holding position. Added to all that I am not sure that he is using Sarcevic in the right way as he is expending too much energy in lost cause areas. I think all these points add up to say that at present Ian Evatt is unworthy of our support and shows no signs at all of correcting the errors and omissions I have mentioned here.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 4, 2020 7:57:36 GMT
Still want to believe in Evatt whites. Its not my money but weve spent 250k to get him here but especially at home he cannot set up a team to win.
I dont want to get bogged down but we need to be playing the game far more in the opponents half. Lose a centre back. Play 4 there. Get Kioso as far up as he can. Press and win back. I know Liverpool are a special side but they play attacking full backs in a 4.
I dont mind sideways and backwards to work an angle but when it goes backwards should only be to halfway line with Tutte or White.
No we wont have as much possession as threre should be around 20 players in thier half. But if they lose it, hard press or they forced to hoof it. We pick it up and go again.
In my mind that requires us to be ultra fit and confident got to want to ball and wing back (hybrids) got to be prepared to make a run, get back, make run again etc pretty much for 90m or cant go anymore and get replaced
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Post by Alptrotter on Nov 4, 2020 9:30:56 GMT
While I am not particularly seeking to defend Evatt here, I think it must be acknowledged that, similar to the Bradford game, Bolton started well. The problem is that we don't convert our good play into goals and last night it was obvious from the get go that we had little to nothing up front. For me, Evatt is suffering for the inadequate recruitment of genuine strikers. It seems we really only have one, compared with numerous centre backs and defensive midfielders. Getting rid of Evatt won't change that. If I were FV I'd want to talk to those responsible for planning our recruitment, especially in the striker and goalkeeping positions. That's where someone showed their naivete.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 4, 2020 9:38:55 GMT
Kenglo, OM, I accept much of what you both say but I think you’re overlooking the fact that we are missing Doyle, Miller, Faal, Politic and effectively now Delfouneso, exactly the players who should be doing exactly what you’re saying and most importantly scoring goals. How can we blame IE for our bad luck in having all of our goal threats injured? Like you I’m frustrated by his use of certain under performing players whilst ignoring the likes of Greenidge, Tuttle and even Darcy until recently. I still don’t believe that Darcy would have got a start we’re it not for injuries, despite what he’s said about him recently. As you say he was quick to hook him last night despite his good performance. Irrespective of our failings, I still believe when we get all our forwards back, particularly Doyle and have more of a goal threat, I’m sure we’ll start getting results and move up the table. If we can do that up to January we can maybe get rid of some of the under performers and bring in some more attack minded players in the next window?
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 4, 2020 9:50:53 GMT
While I am not particularly seeking to defend Evatt here, I think it must be acknowledged that, similar to the Bradford game, Bolton started well. The problem is that we don't convert our good play into goals and last night it was obvious from the get go that we had little to nothing up front. For me, Evatt is suffering for the inadequate recruitment of genuine strikers. It seems we really only have one, compared with numerous centre backs and defensive midfielders. Getting rid of Evatt won't change that. If I were FV I'd want to talk to those responsible for planning our recruitment, especially in the striker and goalkeeping positions. That's where someone showed their naivete. I agree with that to a point Alp but to be fair to IE on recruitment, he did sign Doyle, Sarcevic and Delfouneso, re-signed Ali and Ronan and had Faal and Politic as well who should all have been more than capable of scoring goals, yet due to unforeseen long term injuries has been robbed of over half of them whilst others just haven’t delivered. He’s since brought in Gnahoua and Miller, again with mixed results. I absolutely agree with you that it’s our lack of goals that is causing our biggest problem but also confident that once the tide turns and we get our players fit again, we will reverse the poor results. Changing manager now won’t overcome the injury situation so hopefully management will continue with IE until the injury situation improves.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 4, 2020 11:21:17 GMT
Kenglo, OM, I accept much of what you both say but I think you’re overlooking the fact that we are missing Doyle, Miller, Faal, Politic and effectively now Delfouneso, exactly the players who should be doing exactly what you’re saying and most importantly scoring goals. How can we blame IE for our bad luck in having all of our goal threats injured? Like you I’m frustrated by his use of certain under performing players whilst ignoring the likes of Greenidge, Tuttle and even Darcy until recently. I still don’t believe that Darcy would have got a start we’re it not for injuries, despite what he’s said about him recently. As you say he was quick to hook him last night despite his good performance. Irrespective of our failings, I still believe when we get all our forwards back, particularly Doyle and have more of a goal threat, I’m sure we’ll start getting results and move up the table. If we can do that up to January we can maybe get rid of some of the under performers and bring in some more attack minded players in the next window? Firstly I dont think Faal ever intended to play. I dont think Miller and Isgrove are injured as much as unfit. Ameotang got on at FGR and never again and Delfouneso has never been a striker. The question was always going to be what happens if Doyle 32 gets injured? Always snookered for me but we kept signing defender after defender and defensive midfielder one after the other. I cant believe how much imbalance there is. Politic is the bad luck case the rest have been our own doing wit too late a signing, panic buys and IanEvattable muscle injuries from going to zero football to 3 games a week and not resting. Even with rest these players will pick up more knocks. No doubt we need to restart in January. Out go 8 Crellin, Mascoll, Gordon, Comley, Ghanoua, Faal, Greeneridge, Taft and Miller and bring in 4 or 5 players with a level above experience, even if its loan deals. Problem is as we saw last season if we're too far off promotion in January better stick than spend.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 4, 2020 11:44:28 GMT
i'll just leave this here :
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 4, 2020 11:52:11 GMT
Sorry, 63, you are starting to sound increasingly like the maestro himself. Doyle and one or two of the others you mention have been available for most games. It is the support that the attack has had from the rest of the team which has shown clearly how poor Ian Evatt's selections have been. Starting with the goalkeeping situation he has been singularly weak in his selections, or should I say non-selections, and where there have been gaps that need filling through injury he has again been unresourceful. In my long history supporting BWFC I can remember injuries to Lofthouse leading to the use of Barrass or Wheeler as a temporary replacement with goals scored by them, even hat-tricks.. Why does he not try the "fast-moving" Greenidge as a Doyle substitute, if he won't even try him in defensive midfield. In view of Baptiste's inadequacies, why does he not try Senior instead of seeking to loan him out. His choice of Brockbank as left wing back is an admission of how wrong he was to sign Gordon and Mascoll . Kioso came in as a right wing back, but is he covering himself with glory there? And so it goes on - mistake after mistake. His substitutions are woeful. Is he a good salesman? Yes. Is he a good football coach? We shall see whether he takes some of the advice we have given on this forum.......
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 4, 2020 12:55:31 GMT
Sorry, 63, you are starting to sound increasingly like the maestro himself. Doyle and one or two of the others you mention have been available for most games. It is the support that the attack has had from the rest of the team which has shown clearly how poor Ian Evatt's selections have been. Starting with the goalkeeping situation he has been singularly weak in his selections, or should I say non-selections, and where there have been gaps that need filling through injury he has again been unresourceful. In my long history supporting BWFC I can remember injuries to Lofthouse leading to the use of Barrass or Wheeler as a temporary replacement with goals scored by them, even hat-tricks.. Why does he not try the "fast-moving" Greenidge as a Doyle substitute, if he won't even try him in defensive midfield. In view of Baptiste's inadequacies, why does he not try Senior instead of seeking to loan him out. His choice of Brockbank as left wing back is an admission of how wrong he was to sign Gordon and Mascoll . Kioso came in as a right wing back, but is he covering himself with glory there? And so it goes on - mistake after mistake. His substitutions are woeful. Is he a good salesman? Yes. Is he a good football coach? We shall see whether he takes some of the advice we have given on this forum....... lol. 100% with you Kenglo. that post by Whites is one of the most bonkers i've seen on here for a long while... " signs of progress in the 1st half ". . (not just that but doing an "Evatt" in terms of seeing this problem & that, and then just ignoring them and picking the same 11 next time. ) what ...against a side with a caretaker boss, worst start in 100 yrs & no wins . we're entitled to look ok..I thought Gary Henshaw was going way overboard in the Comm. edging it slightly rather than totally dominating them. 6 home games we've played. 3 home goals. and don't blame lack of Doyle as he hardly got a kick when he did play. hardly any crosses. no idea what we are trying to do. one guy with a good shot..Sarce plays too deep. i'd actually forgot to mention yesterday , i got my prediction bang on the nose ...1-1. didn't bet on it. . couldn't trust our defence after last shambles. every time we play a weaker side we cock it up. w e've played much better against the better sides...sides i expected us to get hammered by..Cambridge away and Harrogate away ( who were possibly unbeaten at the time) we actually did well...because WE ADAPTED. we sat deeper. we respected them. we were much more direct. we didn't fanny about. we didn't play Evatt ball. the more Evatt it gets, the worse it is..but he's far too wedded to his THEORIES. too stubborn. good to have principles, but you should be able to see a pattern. I see he's listed his 3 mainstays as Sarce, Santos, Delaney. well i'd agree with Sarce and Delaney..and relieved he didn't put Crawford in. but Santos is going to be the death of him, like Zat Knight was to Megson ( who buys him- 18 games after signing him and keep playing him..no clean sheets), to Coyle ( who extends his contract...despite him relegating him ), & Freedman who makes the sod captain (wtf!?!? ) . www.barnetfc.com/news/2017/january/ricardo-santos-ive-come-to-play-games--get-promoted/where's he got this idea Santos is up to it. came to Barnet..to get promoted. HE GOT RELEGATED ! played national league. Taft hasn't played national lge or got relegated. in fact, he got promoted from LGE 2 with Burton in 14/15. I would suggest he's probably a better defender..on paper. but won't bring it out from the back like Santos. we know RS does that very well. Evatt choosing to hamper the side just to get his pet project into the side. sticking to his theory. we've said on here from very early on..Campo role...but completely refuses to try it. he wasn't troubled yesterday but i'll keep putting the vids on..every time he does. and he will 100% guaranteed. what's today excuse from the EVATT RANDOM EXCUSE GENERATOR..... you must have some strong constitution WS63 to tolerate the drivel he comes out with..your idea of strong management ? 1. long coach journey 2. social media's fault 3. the expectation is too high...lol the expectation he created 4. Barrow excuse... 3rd goal was 3 yds offside... << it wasn't !! 5. too many injured players.... these players who all got injured thrown in 5 mins after signing them !! 6. all Crellins fault........this keeper you refuse to put a sub keeper on bench. 7. we played much better in training..like Real madrid ! ? ! 8. there must be plenty more i'm forgetting.. please suggest and i'll add them !!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 4, 2020 13:37:49 GMT
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