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Post by OohMac on Apr 22, 2020 18:55:22 GMT
Great points. Also worth remembering that boxers have got to stay amateur for the games. So someone has probably turned down decent money, undercards at 02 and now who knows when his next paid fight may be. It could potentially take him out of the sport.
I think the idea of non relegation was that it eased the sense to panic buy. Ironic as it was PGs intentions but it was panic buying that caused a huge mess for us on his watch.
If you lessen the gulf you reduce the risk.
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Post by kenglowhite on Apr 22, 2020 21:25:15 GMT
Returning to the "will the season complete" theme, it seems to have been made clear today by the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, that social distancing is likely to go on at least until the end of this year, All the machinations of the so-called leaders of the sport will hardly be able to find a way around that. It's just as we have been saying on here that there is no way the season can be completed, and ways should be being found to end it as amicably as possible for all parties.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 22, 2020 22:14:13 GMT
I agree Kenglo, as long as social distancing is in place there is absolutely no way that football can restart, however much the Leagues pontificate about it and Chris Wittys comments today confirm that. I’m sure they realise it’s impossible but clearly are trying to appear committed to assisting both clubs, sponsors and TV companies to complete deals which involve finance. At least if they’ve done that they can’t be successfully sued for individual losses or refunds, so I assume at some point, common sense will prevail and the season will be cancelled. It’s the only solution because the minefield of expiring contracts, sponsorship and the sheer cost to clubs of running things on is wholly impractical I reckon once it’s clear that things can’t be resolved by the end of June things may change. What they will do regarding promotion and relegation will be interesting because whatever way they try to calculate results for remaining games will cause huge problems. Voiding the season and beginning it again when it’s safe seems the only logical solution but then again, when was football ever logical?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 0:14:56 GMT
There's no guarantees next season will start on time, never mind finishing this one.
The times are a changing. What with the re being called for a salary cap in the lower leagues. How far behind the PL?
Makes 200 million for Kane the joke of the season... and the next.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 23, 2020 8:45:29 GMT
I think you’re right wots, even if the restrictions are loosened if social distancing is still in place as looks almost certain, there is no way that football will start again in August,be it the completion of this season or the start of next. You really do have to wonder what the football leaders are sniffing if they think they’re going to be playing football this year but eventually even they are going to have to accept reality and either void this season, write it off and start it from scratch when safe to do so and crowds can come back to watch, or calculate artificial results which to my mind will just cause even more problems than cancelling. Sometimes in difficult situations and let’s face it whatever they do they will displease someone, it’s best to just man up and make a decision and the most sensible and obvious one must be to cancel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:02:22 GMT
Despite the increase in CV deaths today, it appears that by hook, or by crook the EPL are going to finish the season. There'll be huge pressure on Bozo Johnson on Friday(?) to discuss the relaxation of the lock down strictly to finish of the season, even though the PM is spouting that the lock down, for the punter, may last longer.
What I don't understand is football is an entertainment industry, so what standard of football will they play behind closed doors without the fans?
I suppose we'll hear about it Friday. Who'd be PM in this environment?
Meanwhile, I'm staying inside.
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Post by davidm on Apr 28, 2020 15:11:05 GMT
I see that the French leagues have now been ended thanks to the French PM.
The Dutch league was abandoned last week.
It must surely be time for the English leagues to abandon this obsession with getting the Sky monies and acknowledge that a decision to end the league season must be taken.
Playing behind closed doors is an insult to the average football fan.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 28, 2020 15:16:12 GMT
Same day as Spurs and Arsenal opened the doors for training France have ended all sports(even behind closed doors) until September at the earliest.
Im not surprised people are not taking lock down as seriously as they should. From Sky Sports News you would think that we're through it. If games do go ahead you may as well tell the masses to forget about it and go and enjoy yourselves.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 28, 2020 16:51:49 GMT
I’ve written to both my local MP and the Minister for Sport complaining about Dominic Raab inferring on Sunday’s Marr show that they were in discussions with the football authorities regarding a restart of the season. Even behind closed doors it couldn’t possibly be acceptable whilst social distancing is still in place and the thought of footballers, who let’s face it, are amongst the lowest level of importance at the moment, getting CV tests before both front line and support workers is ridiculous. Just the fact that the government is even having these discussions is surely unacceptable to most people who are as OM says just going to completely abandon any idea os adhering to restrictions themselves and to be fair, why should they? Maybe with the French and Dutch having seen sense and abandoned their leagues, it might make the UK government think twice?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 17:26:21 GMT
I see that the French leagues have now been ended thanks to the French PM. The Dutch league was abandoned last week. It must surely be time for the English leagues to abandon this obsession with getting the Sky monies and acknowledge that a decision to end the league season must be taken. Playing behind closed doors is an insult to the average football fan. Probably ended the Champions League as well, with PSG and Lyon still in the competition. The season is finished, fertig, fini, finita, terminou, terminado! Why don't they get it?
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 28, 2020 18:14:39 GMT
Maybe we need Boris to come out and confirm no football until at least September as Macron has in France? Surely that would prevent any legal action being taken against clubs by media and sponsors and resolve the main issue to ending the season now? The only decision to make then regards Liverpool as Champions or not and promotion and relegation. I can’t personally see any fair or credible way to calculate points for games not played with so many games left and on that basis, fair or not on Liverpool they surely can’t award them the title, although I suppose if PL clubs themselves vote to give it to them then it could be done. What you can’t do is finish the season now and use current placings as final because not all clubs have played the same number of games. Kicking the can down the road is no answer and with it becoming increasingly obvious social distancing is with us in one form or another for the foreseeable future, surely even the numptys running football will have to face facts and just cancel.
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Post by boris on Apr 29, 2020 11:19:32 GMT
Don't post much on this side but still a Wanderers fan at heart as I've always been and am disheartened at the present plight of the club; however, why not just take an average of the last 9 games left in the premier league and apply this to the remaining games. Obviously this scenario would apply to the lower leagues, not great for us but it might be a solution. If this has already been suggested then apologies for my rude intervention!
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2020 11:28:57 GMT
The problem with that boris is that some teams will have top clubs to play, or even those at the bottom, both of whom may have lots to play for whilst others may only have average teams to play who probably aren’t bothered. Whichever way you calculate points with so many games left it can never be accurate and will be challenged for sure by those missing out. Surely the only sensible thing to do is cancel the season and start again when safe and who knows when that will be?
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Post by OohMac on Apr 29, 2020 16:16:46 GMT
For L1 and L2 the season HAS to end, we cannot keep a squad past June 30th with no incoming. (Unless the EPL said they will extend all contracts by 6 months from thier pocket and then once the season is completed they can rip up their contract or stay for duration)
That buys everyone time. Do they care enough about the lower leagues. Certainly not.
For EPL to play out the season i would suggest that they (footballers, coaches, chefs, kit men, coach drivers, media, medics, refs, police and stewards) all have to sign up for a 10 week camp(literally) where no one goes in or out. Under no circumstances. They choosing to endanger themselves but cannot then leave. If there are enough volunteers to commit to that then fill your boots for me. Imagine no one would be selfish enough to leave family for that long for a game but that would be the choice i give them.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 29, 2020 16:21:34 GMT
Also Boris im dead against average points too. If football could be determined that way we'd all have won the pools.
I'm not opposed to giving Liverpool a "shield" they can refer to. A recognition that all 19 teams have accepted that they would have won the league and a token of acknowledgment and i suppose appreciation for their efforts. Not what they want obviously but a compromise. Probably get one for around £20.
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