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Post by OohMac on Dec 17, 2018 15:42:48 GMT
Got excited when the Portuguese manager turned Reading down and Parky was made odds on favourite. But now he's drifted back out and it looks they they are going for another man.
All the while Ken has done a remarkable job of making the fans just given up. Another home defeat another blank and again were playing a team that were there for the taking.
In an ideal world Ken would use the Reading links and offer Parky timr away to consider his options. Stick him on gardening leave and make it look like were doing it for the good of the club and try and force the issue with Reading.
Give Lee Darby or Phillips the games, again to make it look like interim when really they have the job because we can't add any one to the wage bill.
Hopefully we get a win or draw and can say because of the improvement of results only right that Lee gets a real chance.
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Post by one2many on Dec 17, 2018 17:28:24 GMT
I have no idea how he is still employed. Nothing against him personally at all, but the team is losing week after week, not scoring goals (or getting close), clearly a change is required.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 17, 2018 20:18:19 GMT
Got excited when the Portuguese manager turned Reading down and Parky was made odds on favourite. But now he's drifted back out and it looks they they are going for another man. All the while Ken has done a remarkable job of making the fans just given up. Another home defeat another blank and again were playing a team that were there for the taking. In an ideal world Ken would use the Reading links and offer Parky timr away to consider his options. Stick him on gardening leave and make it look like were doing it for the good of the club and try and force the issue with Reading. Give Lee Darby or Phillips the games, again to make it look like interim when really they have the job because we can't add any one to the wage bill. Hopefully we get a win or draw and can say because of the improvement of results only right that Lee gets a real chance. Youre spot on they're reputed to be after Jose Gomes from Rio Ave in the Portuguese Premiera league. I'm really not sure why he's come onto the Reading horizon, he's never managed anyone of note and has never previously stayed anywhere as manager for more than 52 days!! Why on earth Championship clubs seek novice managers with no clue about English football is completely beyond me and most fail quickly. To be honest, even given what I think about Parky I'd rather trust him than this fella to keep me up especially as his preferred line up is supposed to be 4-2-3-1. Sound familiar?? So even if they don't take Parky this time, maybe we'll only have to wait a maximum of 52 days until Reading comes around again? We'll be toast by then of course but at least we wouldn't have to worry about next season with him.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 18, 2018 18:22:26 GMT
Got excited when the Portuguese manager turned Reading down and Parky was made odds on favourite. But now he's drifted back out and it looks they they are going for another man. All the while Ken has done a remarkable job of making the fans just given up. Another home defeat another blank and again were playing a team that were there for the taking. In an ideal world Ken would use the Reading links and offer Parky timr away to consider his options. Stick him on gardening leave and make it look like were doing it for the good of the club and try and force the issue with Reading. Give Lee Darby or Phillips the games, again to make it look like interim when really they have the job because we can't add any one to the wage bill. Hopefully we get a win or draw and can say because of the improvement of results only right that Lee gets a real chance. Youre spot on they're reputed to be after Jose Gomes from Rio Ave in the Portuguese Premiera league. I'm really not sure why he's come onto the Reading horizon, he's never managed anyone of note and has never previously stayed anywhere as manager for more than 52 days!! Why on earth Championship clubs seek novice managers with no clue about English football is completely beyond me and most fail quickly. To be honest, even given what I think about Parky I'd rather trust him than this fella to keep me up especially as his preferred line up is supposed to be 4-2-3-1. Sound familiar?? So even if they don't take Parky this time, maybe we'll only have to wait a maximum of 52 days until Reading comes around again? We'll be toast by then of course but at least we wouldn't have to worry about next season with him. I’m just guessing here W63 but does it have summat to do with that Kia Joorbachian as a dodgy agent??? He should help RedKen out as they have something in common, they’re both bent
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Post by OohMac on Dec 21, 2018 17:17:52 GMT
Staying positive. Rio Ave need a manager now.
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Post by davidm on Dec 21, 2018 19:42:18 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday have sacked their manager but still Phil Parkinson survives.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 21, 2018 20:33:48 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday have sacked their manager but still Phil Parkinson survives. Staying positive. Sheff Weds need a manager now.
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Post by davidm on Dec 22, 2018 17:31:25 GMT
We’ve almost reached the stage where we have run out of things to say.
It is just continually so bad.
Last season away to Burton, we played a 100% negative setup, packed with defenders, against relegation rivals and lost.
This made the chairman come out and say that we would be playing a positive side the following match.
Today, away to a relegation rival, we play a another negative setup, packed with defenders, against relegation rivals and lose.
So - Come on Mr Anderson – come out and say something.
We have now played 9 matches since Ken Anderson said "results must improve with immediate effect". Since then 2 draws and 7 defeats.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 22, 2018 17:43:51 GMT
Eerily weird David that I was saying the same on the match day thread. 25th October. "I can assure you that I will be doing everything possible and take whatever actions I think are necessary to ensure that our results improve.I fully appreciate and understand that you, our fans and supporters, are the lifeblood and soul of the club and it is my job to try and ensure you that we deliver what you want and is needed to get back on track" Since then played 9, Lost 7, Drawn 2, Scored 4, conceeded 12. Clean sheets 0, Games failed to score in 6. 6 games out of 9!!! THAT WE HAVE FAILED TO SCORE. This is only the period after Ken said "I can assure you that I will be doing everything possible and take whatever actions I think are necessary to ensure that our results improve."
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Post by OohMac on Dec 30, 2018 11:36:37 GMT
Should a manager ever be judged based on relegation alone.
Thats the question ive been asking recently. Based on two things really. Firstly watching the BT doc "too good to go down" about the end of the busby babes. Told the story really how man utd really stuggled to replace the manager but the legends too.
Secondly im looking at Wagner, Dyche, Warnock really those three and thinking it would be madness to sack any of these but reality is they will all have those questions raised and some chairman will give in and bite the bullet.
If i can stick up for Wanock and Wagner and then still want Parky out isnt that hypocritical? Possibly. Weve not backed PP and weve sold him battering ram in Jan.
However in the documentary Docherty did get rid of the old legs and replaced them with a younger players and Man Utd did bounce back and were better than when he took over.
If PP goes i do not see any player going off the rails. I dont think any are relying on him or improving under him. Lowe is better as a full back and apparently PP was told this months ago. So why only try it now.
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Post by cadders on Dec 30, 2018 19:55:20 GMT
Apparently since our mini resurgance Phil has asked the media to call him Jurgen, and he has started wearing big glasses!!!
On a more serious note, I am struggling to see who could do the job we all (including me)want/expect, for the salary on offer. You get what you pay for and finishing 4th from bottom is his bonus measure I suspect.
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Post by thegrud1 on Dec 30, 2018 19:57:45 GMT
Pointless having a bonus if you dont get it !!!!! lol
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 30, 2018 21:50:25 GMT
Should a manager ever be judged based on relegation alone. Thats the question ive been asking recently. Based on two things really. Firstly watching the BT doc "too good to go down" about the end of the busby babes. Told the story really how man utd really stuggled to replace the manager but the legends too. Secondly im looking at Wagner, Dyche, Warnock really those three and thinking it would be madness to sack any of these but reality is they will all have those questions raised and some chairman will give in and bite the bullet. If i can stick up for Wanock and Wagner and then still want Parky out isnt that hypocritical? Possibly. Weve not backed PP and weve sold him battering ram in Jan. However in the documentary Docherty did get rid of the old legs and replaced them with a younger players and Man Utd did bounce back and were better than when he took over. If PP goes i do not see any player going off the rails. I dont think any are relying on him or improving under him. Lowe is better as a full back and apparently PP was told this months ago. So why only try it now. Certainly he should if he's been given the resources to prevent relegation OM but of course there are exceptions. All of the managers you name have produced exceptional results prior to relegation but more importantly, apart from securing promotion through exciting football have improved players and done it on comparatively small budgets. If you take Sean Dyche for example, he has brought through several top scorers at little cost, improved them and had them sold on for a profit. Eventually, you run out of finding players to do that, as now seems the case. . I'm assuming now that you wish to compare Parky with this and you are now questioning whether we are being too hard on him? Not at all in my opinion, he has had five transfer windows yet hasn't brought in one player that we can sell on at a profit. There isn't one player you could say he's improved. Unlike other managers in his position, he has not given one player from our youth squad a chance at first team level, farming them out instead, despite the failure of the players he brought in. He leaves the only consistent goal scorer in Alf out of the team despite our lack of goals. He has no idea how to use creative players like Karacan and now Oz and continues with the same Neanderthal hoof it system which is both boring and unproductive. Despite obvious proof that what he's doing during games isn't working he never makes substitutions to change the game, just continual like for like replacements. I could go on but I've already listed enough to prove the point that Parkinson is nowhere near competent enough to manage at this level and despite his very fortuitous result last year, I have no confidence in him repeating it this year. In Parky's case, I think he should definitely be removed and I have seen nothing since he's been here to change that opinion.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 31, 2018 10:36:59 GMT
I agree but lets look at Wagner vs Parky? Both achieved promotion to a higher level and then in the first season managed to keep the team in that higher level.
So far similar. The clubs that came up(Wolves and Fulham) and (Blackburn and Wigan) looked better equipped and spent more than rhe surviving club.
So despite survival Hudders/Bolton would be bookies favoutires for the drop perhaps after Cardiff/Rotherham.
So i think its a fair assumption that the two clubs are pretty similar albeit in different leagues.
Huddesfield have struggled to find a striker at that level. Bolton have struggled to find a striker at our level. Huddesfield cannot score, Bolton cannot score.
However Huddersfield sit bottom cut adrift almost. Bolton sit 4th bottom and are safe.
So from the outset if I gave my opinion on Wagner I would say youd be stupid to sack him. Hes done a great job and will more than likely push for promotion next year. I foam at the mouth is someone says that about PP.
I cannot think of too many home grown talents Huddersfield have brought through and i dont know how many young players they have. I know Mooy has done well but the rest may struggle for a club and will all be on good premiership wages.
I think its obvious that I want Parky gone and I want a head coach in. But of theres any chance at all Parky can grab that 4th bottom spot again Ken has to stick with it.
I dont think he will. We wont win again on the road(weve already doubled last years tally) and if you take away the first 6 weeks then we are just way way behind most other teams.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 31, 2018 23:16:12 GMT
All good and fair points OM and I also think Huddersfield should stick with Wagner if/when relegated. The reason is that I think Wagner would get Huddersfield promoted again whereas I don't believe Parky would us. I suspect we'll find out in both cases because I expect both teams to be relegated and I don't mean that to sound negative. I'd love to be wrong but I just can not see us being as incredibly lucky this year as we were last year. It's very sad really because I do believe the squad if played correctly and consistently would be more than good enough to keep us up.
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