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Post by thekraken on Sept 24, 2018 19:57:21 GMT
A thread for all those who wish to criticise Parky. See my comment on the Ipswich thread for the rationale.
Anything goes. His tactics, signings, staff, dress sense, comments.....
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Post by one2many on Sept 25, 2018 11:08:29 GMT
I don't think he is rubbish. Do not like the style of football in the slightest but he has done all that has been asked of him, namely promotion at the first attempt and avoid relegation. All that on a tight budget and in difficult circumstances. Sadly, direct and defensive football is more and more common nowadays. This results in very poor entertainment. I saw that it was 30 quid to see Ipswich Bolton. The entertainment does not warrant that figure. Not Parkinson's fault, that is the fault of football and those who run it in general.
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Post by wots on Sept 25, 2018 12:43:23 GMT
This thread reminds me of when they started the initial ban on smoking, in places to which the public had access, in Canada.
They started off, in sports arenas and pubs by giving smokers a room to "smoke your heart out" ('scuse the pun).
It backfired, as there was that much smoke in the room that it was unbearable and even the smokers couldn't stand it. So, no smokers ever used the room.
Something like this thread, if you get my drift.
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Post by thegrud1 on Sept 25, 2018 16:12:03 GMT
Think I,ll start a thread for anyone who wants to criticise me !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 16:53:43 GMT
I think it's a good idea get it of your chest without upsetting the happy with what Parky is doing brigade. I've been to two away game and I've enjoyed them both West Brom and Reading But it still gets on my nerves when we play a worse team than us and we can't get a shot on target.I think he needs to play a few games with two up front see how we get on everyone expects us to get beat on Saturday so why not try it then ? COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 25, 2018 19:50:29 GMT
As I've said many times, everybody in whatever walk of life has a level above which they struggle. Parky is a good lower league manager but Championship and above is beyond him. He's tactically poor, far too negative minded, has favourite players irrespective of their performances, completely lacks in game nouse and basically just fails to learn lessons and repeats mistakes continually. He is however, honest, hard working and reliable for his employer which is why Anderson will not sack him. Sadly, despite these good qualities, he's paid to be a football manager and at that he's poor at this level and whatever you give him will not take us forwards.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Sept 25, 2018 23:25:36 GMT
Terrible all round manager for all the well known reasons. Possibly the worse Bolton boss ever. When I look back at what Rioch did with this club with no money to start with, not to mention the lovely football we played.....it makes my blood boil what this hopeless excuse for a manager dishes out. Hes paid a lot more money than most of us for doing it..shameful. Mr Magoo would do a better job. Its only a matter of time before the "HAPPY CLAPPYS" begin to see sense.
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Post by andyl on Sept 26, 2018 14:18:53 GMT
I don't think he is 'rubbish. But I do think his strengths are in defensive strategy rather than in attacking.
He is a good man manager, handles the press well, conscientiously researches opponents and there is no doubt that most of the time our play out of possession has been good.
Some would argue that staying up last year was a greater achievement than promotion the previous. I don't buy this. Ithink that under the embargo it was a minor miracle that we were promoted. But last year we often under-performed against ordinary teams. Too often we have played poorly passing erratically and under pressure. I think that in possession for much of his tenure we have been poor.
For a spectator the in possession v out of possession argument is brief. We want to see our teams dominate, score and win convincingly. But a manager is perhaps better judged by out of possession statistics. Do the players chase, win the ball, deny space etc. All good teams are built on defensive solidity.
I see a team in transition after years of decline and in Coyle and Lennon two managers whom Perky can be judged against..and to my mind he wins. However against the yardstick of Rioch and Big Sam he does not match up partly because we forget at times how dull their early teams were.
The final verdict will come when he leaves . I am not convinced by current football but equally I think we aren't far from being good. How Oztumer develops may be critical to our write up of Perky. At present omits and withdraws him. But if hevtrusts I think we might see some victories For my part I try to regard managers and players match by match and have been happy to praise all managers some of the time. However from managers, players and Parky what I think we most seek is CONSISTENCY and this all too often lacks.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 26, 2018 14:29:57 GMT
First of all I'll say what positives good points are. He has created a positive dressing room with seemingly no bad eggs and a lot of the time even the fringe players seemed happy to stay.
In League one they seemed fitter than opponents and often benefited from late goals as oppose to constantly conceding them.
He plays his way and is hard to beat. He very rarely gets a pasting.
And he has ticked both boxes of promotion and survival on no money spent.
However,
His league one task was not the mammoth ask that some built it up as. We were around 3rd favourites to go up and we did. Just about. But Not without struggle against sides we ought to have whitewashed.
His highest ever finish is 4th bottom of the championship. With Hull, Charlton and us in this league he has a poor record. And we should have sealed safety a lot sooner than we did. And that was only kitchen sink stuff against a team with nothing to play for.
And it's just not enjoyable to watch. In his 100 games in charge I can only thing of half a dozen games where we've bossed it, and that's been enjoyable.
I do think that a good manager can make the difference and I do think there are half a dozen managers at least could try and get this squad to gel and progress.
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Post by Alptrotter on Sept 26, 2018 17:34:06 GMT
An interesting theme with some thoughtful contributions. Like many on here, I find it difficult to be wholly critical of Parky, he seems such a thoroughly decent and hard working man. I could question the sense of his obsession with playing two wide players in a fundamentally defensive approach to tactics, or his old fashioned adherence to long balls from the back ( mostly aimless) However, what has occured to me re Parky is this. Can I name one player who has genuinely improved under his coaching? Some may argue Madine, I’m not so sure, but even if we allow him, is there anyone else? I can’t think of anyone. I can, however, name many who neither improved, nor regressed and many who simply regressed.
Watching Olkowski’s last couple of games, I wonder if he’s another who looked great in the first few games, but now looks rather average.
So, I suppose I’d conclude that, as a manager, Parky’s definitely not rubbish. As a coach, however, I’m nothing like as certain.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 27, 2018 21:33:00 GMT
An interesting theme with some thoughtful contributions. Like many on here, I find it difficult to be wholly critical of Parky, he seems such a thoroughly decent and hard working man. I could question the sense of his obsession with playing two wide players in a fundamentally defensive approach to tactics, or his old fashioned adherence to long balls from the back ( mostly aimless) However, what has occured to me re Parky is this. Can I name one player who has genuinely improved under his coaching? Some may argue Madine, I’m not so sure, but even if we allow him, is there anyone else? I can’t think of anyone. I can, however, name many who neither improved, nor regressed and many who simply regressed. Watching Olkowski’s last couple of games, I wonder if he’s another who looked great in the first few games, but now looks rather average. So, I suppose I’d conclude that, as a manager, Parky’s definitely not rubbish. As a coach, however, I’m nothing like as certain. I think you're absolutely spot on Alp, it is the coaching and tactics that's the problem. As you say, I think given his personal attributes, Parky is a thoroughly decent guy and a good man manager but is sadly lacking in the football manager area. I don't know how much influence Parkin has over this area or is totally controlled by Parkinson. Since they have worked together for so long I can only assume they are both like minded and this could be where the problem lies. In discussions over team and tactics, if all they do is agree and console each other, neither will ever see a problem, it will always be down to bad luck, a player mistake, the referee, tiredness, or some other equally fatuous reason and never that they got it wrong themselves. From experience both here and previously at Bradford, it's clear that little if any divergence from the standard, ultra defensive, try not to lose, rather than try to win, mentality that has permeated the club since they've been here will continue to do so for as long as the status quo remains. Sadly then, I fear the frustration will continue until something, or someone, changes it. Anderson is unlikely to be the one to do that so I think only a sale of the club will result in a change of fortunes. I for one can only hope that event is near.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 28, 2018 10:53:46 GMT
Quite enjoying having this to vent in now. Fair play, gives Joanna a break and can still give my two cents.
I just wanted to put two quotes up here from this week. Without any names, see if you can tell who said what on similar subjects.(basically about survival and perhaps punching above weight.
A. “When you get players who come up from Leagues – you don’t just flick a switch and adapt. It can sometimes be a case of getting up to speed in training and the better quality players"
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B. "My expectations from day one were that we could compete in this league. It held no fears from me, I said to the lads our mission this season shouldn’t be about survival, if you do that what’s the point in being here?"
One is PP and one is John Coleman. Neither with a pot to use and both have teams that odds are stacked but just look at the different mindset and imagine what a days training may be like under the difference.
I'm not even putting the answer to the question. I'll let you stew on it.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 29, 2018 9:54:16 GMT
Quite enjoying having this to vent in now. Fair play, gives Joanna a break and can still give my two cents. I just wanted to put two quotes up here from this week. Without any names, see if you can tell who said what on similar subjects.(basically about survival and perhaps punching above weight. A. “When you get players who come up from Leagues – you don’t just flick a switch and adapt. It can sometimes be a case of getting up to speed in training and the better quality players" And B. "My expectations from day one were that we could compete in this league. It held no fears from me, I said to the lads our mission this season shouldn’t be about survival, if you do that what’s the point in being here?" One is PP and one is John Coleman. Neither with a pot to use and both have teams that odds are stacked but just look at the different mindset and imagine what a days training may be like under the difference. I'm not even putting the answer to the question. I'll let you stew on it. Nail on the head there OM. Negativity from management permeates down to the players and likewise positivity enthuses them. I never hear Parky saying anything positive or motivational in his interviews so I can only assume he's similar with the players. He always sites the oppositions strengths and how we need to account for them without stressing our capabilities and how they can win us the game. I use Chris Wilder often as an example, only because living in South Yorkshire I hear him on TV and Radio. He is always ultra positive, stresses that the intent is to win every game, home and away and berates players or the team who underperform. The team he inherited was no better than ours in Div 1 yet the performances and attitudes of the players was completely different. When we set up and go out each week to sit in and hope to contain the opposition it should be no wonder the players feel they have achieved the aim when they just don't lose. Ipswich is a perfect example where Parky thought he'd done a great job getting a point when just a little positivity would without question have won us the game. Taking off Oz just confirmed it. I don't hold out any hope that he will ever change and for that reason I just can't wait for a benefactor to come along and clear the lot of them out of our club so that we can once again actually turn up at the ground confident and full off enthusiasm, which I personally haven't done for two years now.
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Post by wots on Oct 2, 2018 10:47:54 GMT
'Scuse me whites, but in another post I thought you said Parkinson was a good man manager and it was his tactics that were cr*p.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 2, 2018 15:10:02 GMT
'Scuse me whites, but in another post I thought you said Parkinson was a good man manager and it was his tactics that were cr*p. It is odd, because he does seem to keep a happy camp together. Even with the players he's dropping. There seems to be no bad apples. No Pogbas. But how many of the players are thriving under Parky? Creatively? none.
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