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Post by whitesince63 on May 8, 2018 20:10:07 GMT
Whites, I can see Anderson keeping Parky on the understanding that the season starts like this one then he'd be gone after five games. Other than that, read my post above on the sale of the club. Maybe Anderson and Parky won't be here next season. Thats my fear also Wots, that if Ken stays then Parky stays but then that would mean he will have decided the squad until at least January and probably used up any budgets we have. Thise players would also be tied to contracts. Better for me he just goes now and lets a new man have the time and finance to build his own squad. |
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Post by natfan on May 10, 2018 17:33:12 GMT
Thought I would look at who we have to keep (Amos and Darby, whoopee!) and who we could lose. The number after most names is the age of the player at the beginning of this season. LOANS Anthonee ROBINSON 20 Reece BURKE 20 Tyler WALKER 21 Harry CHARSLEY, 21 To 2018 i.e. OUT OF CONTRACT6 Dorian DERVITE 29 Chris TAYLOR 30 Jem KARACAN 28 Mark BEEVERS 27 Sammy AMEOBI 25 Ben ALNWICK 30 DERIK (OSEDE) 24 Aaron WILBRAHAM 37 Darren PRATLEY 32 Filipe MORAIS 31 Karl Henry 35 David Wheater Jeff KING Connor HALL 19 Jon FLANAGAN 25 Jan Kirchhoff 27 Chinedu OBASI, 31 TO 2019 Ben Amos 27 Mark LITTLE 28 Andrew TAYLOR 30 Josh VELA 23 Adam LeFONDRE 30 Will BUCKLEY 27 Craig NOONE 29 Stephen DARBY 28 Mark Howard 30 Jake TURNER 18 Don’t know /U23s/ Harry BROCKBANK Alex PERRY 19 Jack EARING 18 Cole LONSDALE |
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Post by thegrud1 on May 10, 2018 17:53:33 GMT
I know that some of the following have a year to go on their contract’s and some are loans but, trying to keep it simple, this is my opinion on who we should keep:- Ben Alnwick - Keep Mark Howard - Release Jake Turner - Keep Mark Little - Keep Andrew Taylor - Release Dorian Dervite - Release Mark Beevers - Keep Jon Flanagan - Release Antonee Robinson - Keep Derik Osede - Release Stephen Darby - Release Jan Kirchhoff - Keep David Wheater - Keep Reece Burke - Release Josh Vela - Keep Chris Taylor - Release Jem Karacan - Keep Sammy Ameobi - Keep William Buckley - Release Craig Noone - Keep Harry Charsley - Release Darren Pratley - Release Filipe Morais - Keep Karl Henry - Release Jeff King - Keep Adam Le Fondre - Keep Aaron Wilbraham - Release Tyler Walker - Release Chinedu Obasi - Release Zach Clough - Release Connor Hall - Keep Management Team - Release This is a pretty good summary in my opinion. Only thought is that Kirchhoff ( and possibly Obasi) would have to be on a pay as you play deal. More or less agree BUT...I wouldnt keep Wheater,,,anything played down the side of him he struggles due to his lack opf pace,,,and I think this has affected Beevers game having to cover for him! |
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 14, 2018 22:47:08 GMT
I know we’re only a week into our relegation avoidance celebrations which are probably all finished with now, but it’s mightily quiet at the ReeMac!!!! Loads of other teams have announced their list of released players and at the moment we haven’t announced anything!! Does that mean Parky is sticking with the tried and failed??? Normally you can’t keep Ken out of the headlines as he likes to chip his beak in from time to time but it is deathly quiet Any signings?  ? Heard that Blackburn are after Jordan Rhodes again |
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Post by OohMac on May 15, 2018 6:17:06 GMT
Think the quietness is down to a few things 1 is investment. If we can get backing then that changes significantly the players we choose to keep on.
Secondly if a new manager is in the pipeline and will want his own say on players.
Thirdly we probably have players in the same position out of contract is say Beevers and Wheater do not sign then we probably do give Dervite the extension so it's all kind of blocked off and also we want to see who the other clubs have made available to see if there are better offers. If say Villa go up there will be a couple of players they'll want to improve on. Could open the door for us to get someone like Grabban.
My main problem(although others who know we better may say I've got bigger problems) is that I don't know any lower league players and when I think of players I want in they tend to be players like Nugent, Rhodes and Vaughan. Players I've heard of but are in truth coming to the autumn years. What we really need is like with Rioch. A team of younger players all hungry to improve.
The only ones I can think of are solanke, Calvert Lewin and Foden on loan. Maybe all will not be available and if they are then the bigger pigeons would out tussle us from those potential chips.
Should have watched more Goal Rush. In truth I only watched The Championship on very rarely occasions. Partly due to Colin Murray but more performance related.
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Post by thekraken on Jun 3, 2018 9:15:47 GMT
So to sum up where we are at the start of June.
From the 1st team squad it looks like negotiations are underway with Alnwick, Beevers, Wheater, Ameobi, Pratley, Henry, Morais and Wilbraham. From the U23 squad it looks like negotiations are underway with Hall, Brockbank, Perry and Earing.
We can expect some of these won't happen where there is interest from elsewhere. Ameobi the most likely and some of the U23s if they don't get a promise of game or bench time.
Contracted until this time next year Amos, Little, Andrew Taylor, Vela, Le Fondre, Buckley, Noone, Darby, Turner...and some of these might be loaned or sold e.g. Amos and Darby.
If everyone stays (they probably won't) that's 21 players. We finished the season with 37 professionals including loanees (7 of them) so I think we need at least another 10 signings to make up the numbers plus any youngsters who get a pro deal.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 3, 2018 9:21:02 GMT
So to sum up where we are at the start of June. From the 1st team squad it looks like negotiations are underway with Alnwick, Beevers, Wheater, Ameobi, Pratley, Henry, Morais and Wilbraham. From the U23 squad it looks like negotiations are underway with Hall, Brockbank, Perry and Earing. We can expect some of these won't happen where there is interest from elsewhere. Ameobi the most likely and some of the U23s if they don't get a promise of game or bench time. Contracted until this time next year Amos, Little, Andrew Taylor, Vela, Le Fondre, Buckley, Noone, Darby, Turner...and some of these might be loaned or sold e.g. Amos and Darby. If everyone stays (they probably won't) that's 21 players. We finished the season with 37 professionals including loanees (7 of them) so I think we need at least another 10 signings to make up the numbers plus any youngsters who get a pro deal. Thanks for the update krak, that’s a mightily scary summary if we only have 21 on contract! Still, there’s time for the dodgy duo to make an even bigger mess than they did last term I guess. I just cannot trust PP to spend a penny (not that public toilets take pennies any longer) I just worry that his eye for a player is about as trusting as Leeds trying to keep a manager beyond 6 months!! We live in hope |
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Post by thegrud1 on Jun 3, 2018 12:48:03 GMT
Wheater has been a good servant to the club....BUT I thought his lack of pace caused us unneccessary problems,particularly with Beevers unable to play his own game knowing he has to cover for him.
Another season will be one season to many for him at this level....
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Post by OohMac on Jun 3, 2018 18:42:38 GMT
My worry is that of them players that are remaining I don't value any of them over £1M. Ameobi on his day and under contract would certainly be edging that amount but any one scouting Vela have been quiet.
To be sustainable we need to make money in the transfer market. That's the biggest disappointment that our young cropped seemed to be deemed not good enough.
I know no one wants to be seen as a selling club but needs must in this division or lower. I'm really hoping that we start seeing new faces coming in thick and fast (especially if they are fast. Not too fussed if they're not very clever)
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 3, 2018 19:13:21 GMT
Well OM, if Parky had spent more time looking for young potential talent to bring in rather than players at the end of their careers, we might have had some value in them. I'm not dismissing the problems he's faced with no money to pay fees but other managers seem to do it, so why not Parkinson? Even the loans he brought in weren't played, or if they were it was usually out of position. I think it all revolves around his belief in a totally direct system, which involves little if any actual football. If you look at it since he's been here, only Madine has really been in the spotlight but then since virtually every ball forward was aimed at him, it would have been hard for him not to be. Ultimately I have zero confidence in Parkinson achieving anything other than a permanent struggle. As others have said, even if he had Messi and Iniesta, he'd still lump it forward and miss them out. Do I want to pay to watch that? No chance. Parky has to go if we're to improve.
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Post by OohMac on Jun 5, 2018 9:06:10 GMT
On the loan signings. Is Parky in danger of burning his bridges? Say we want Robinson back, which I imagine 100% we do, perhaps with an option to sign, are the powers that be at Everton not going to say hang on, we gave you a midfielder who we wanted to get game time and you let him rot why should we give you any more young players when there will be a handful of clubs willing to take him.
And Newcastle, gave is an U21 striker and we stick him out as a left wing back that and the fact that we were a bit sloppy on paying for Ameobi the year before?
Cullen too was underused and bypassed for long parts and only featured and Burke didn't feature as much as I hoped.
Then there's Clough and Walker where Karanka has already publicly hit out at us for how we used them.
Clubs, players and agents will all get on to this. Next years loan system will be crucial to us as we cannot afford to replace the 10 or so players we will release on a full time basis and I'm worried that clubs will shut the door on Ken/Parky.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 5, 2018 16:08:29 GMT
On the loan signings. Is Parky in danger of burning his bridges? Say we want Robinson back, which I imagine 100% we do, perhaps with an option to sign, are the powers that be at Everton not going to say hang on, we gave you a midfielder who we wanted to get game time and you let him rot why should we give you any more young players when there will be a handful of clubs willing to take him. And Newcastle, gave is an U21 striker and we stick him out as a left wing back that and the fact that we were a bit sloppy on paying for Ameobi the year before? Cullen too was underused and bypassed for long parts and only featured and Burke didn't feature as much as I hoped. Then there's Clough and Walker where Karanka has already publicly hit out at us for how we used them. Clubs, players and agents will all get on to this. Next years loan system will be crucial to us as we cannot afford to replace the 10 or so players we will release on a full time basis and I'm worried that clubs will shut the door on Ken/Parky. Possibly with some OM, clubs do after all want to loan out players to get experience and game time, not be sat on a different bench or sidelined altogether. That said, some clubs are keen to get players who don't figure in their plans off the books for a period so they can bring in ones they do want. I suppose the loan market is at the end of the day just like the transfer market with the better players demanding loan fees and higher wages, so it still depends upon what end of that we're shopping in. If there's no new investment then it will probably be the lower end but I do agree with Parky that if we need anything it's a good quality striker. I'd use whatever funds are available for that because even after departures we'll still have a half decent squad. Personally I think we had far too many firinge players last year so we could reduce that but better quality to around 26-28 players. Hopefully there'll be news soon but in the meantime attention will switch to England in Russia and hopefully some proper football? |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 5, 2018 23:24:00 GMT
You need to up the ante W63 if you wish to get higher up the BN moaners table😂😂
At least you featured even if you were 4th from the top😂😂😂I never even got a mention😡😡
Good post OooM I do get what W63 is saying tho, these clubs will be desperate to off load some players out on loan regardless of how we have treated them in the past, I guess it would be down to the actual players to refuse to join us based on the way we use loan signings. That wouldn’t have happened during the Rioch or BSA era but of course they were proper managers unlike this chap we have
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 6, 2018 22:29:32 GMT
You need to up the ante W63 if you wish to get higher up the BN moaners table😂😂 At least you featured even if you were 4th from the top😂😂😂I never even got a mention😡😡 Good post OooM I do get what W63 is saying tho, these clubs will be desperate to off load some players out on loan regardless of how we have treated them in the past, I guess it would be down to the actual players to refuse to join us based on the way we use loan signings. That wouldn’t have happened during the Rioch or BSA era but of course they were proper managers unlike this chap we have The irony of it is rftr, that I consider I'm being positive in my posts, not moaning, because I want positive football, go out to win, score more than the opposition but unfortunately the Parky happy clappers who seem content to embrace another year of struggle, boredom and schoolboy football, just don't see it. I think the only way for me to get higher up the table with one cretin is to do it posthumously, since they wanted me dead!! There are some real lunatics, it's a football thread for goodness sake. Anyway, I think you could do the thoroughbred bit and come from behind and take the title so don't despair. As for signings, I just hope if Parky intends to stick to his direct system, which I can only see him doing, that he ignores the noise and signs only players to fit that style. I don't personally like it, I don't want to watch it but I do want to see him deliver what he believes in with players he considers his. No more excuses, let's see what he can do with his own signings, playing the football he feels will get results. If he succeeds, good luck to him and well done but if he fails, he goes quickly. I'm not confident he'll do any better than last year and I have to agree with the bookies that we're odds on to go down. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 7, 2018 6:52:22 GMT
Red letter day then, Pratley gone at last. Along with Henry and Wilbs, all 3 released. Despite the good qualities of each I think that's exactly the right decision as we need much better, younger, more athletic players to compete next season. All depends now on what level of investment we have to replace them but it certainly is a positive that the the major clear out we've been asking for is happening. Could Parky be next??
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