|
Post by joanna on May 16, 2015 8:57:08 GMT
BW save £5 million by showing the door to 13 players including Beckford, Mills, Lonergan, Andrews, Craig Davies. Has Lennon got this right when we seem to have retained some absolute donkeys, some OAPs, some lightweights, some tortoises, some who can't control or pass a ball, and some who are never fit......and what happens if Bogdan doesn't sign a new contract?
Aaron Knight
Alex Baptiste
Andy Hughes
Andy Kellett
Conor Wilkinson
David Wheater
Dean Moxey
Dorian Dervite
Filip Twardzik
Hayden White
Jay Spearing
Josh Vela
Kaiyne Woolery
Liam Feeney
Liam Trotter
Mark Davies
Max Clayton
Medo Kamara
Neil Danns
Niall Maher
Oscar Threlkeld
Quade Taylor
Robert Hall
Ross Fitzsimons
Sanmi Odelusi
Tim Ream
Tom Eaves
Zach Clough Negotiations ongoing for Eidur and Emile.
|
|
|
Post by riochforthereebok on May 16, 2015 13:30:36 GMT
Because I've broken my finger picking my nose, I can't be bothered to type out the names of those I see fit to stay on and mount a decent assault on next term, but worryingly, there's still only about 4 or 5 of that list worth giving a go. I'd Iove to see ALF return with him and Clough as our main marksmen in a 4 4 2, if only to entertain the paying public, or if we don't get ALF, maybe Paul Gallagher from the North End, should they fail tomorrow. In Lennon we trust..... For now
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 18:16:27 GMT
BW save £5 million by showing the door to 13 players including Beckford, Mills, Lonergan, Andrews, Craig Davies. Has Lennon got this right when we seem to have retained some absolute donkeys, some OAPs, some lightweights, some tortoises, some who can't control or pass a ball, and some who are never fit......and what happens if Bogdan doesn't sign a new contract? Aaron Knight Alex Baptiste Andy Hughes Andy Kellett Conor Wilkinson David Wheater Dean Moxey Dorian Dervite Filip Twardzik Hayden White Jay Spearing Josh Vela Kaiyne Woolery Liam Feeney Liam Trotter Mark Davies Max Clayton Medo Kamara Neil Danns Niall Maher Oscar Threlkeld Quade Taylor Robert Hall Ross Fitzsimons Sanmi Odelusi Tim Ream Tom Eaves Zach Clough Negotiations ongoing for Eidur and Emile. Medo was a free transfer not a loan seem sure of that ,hughes is just mainly coach and will not be on big money , for me out would go the two OAP s who in my opinion are just using the club for their own ends
|
|
|
Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 16, 2015 18:54:10 GMT
I'm pretty stunned that Iliev has been released?
|
|
BL2
Squad Player
Posts: 69
|
Post by BL2 on May 16, 2015 19:25:01 GMT
The ones who have been shown the door are ones whose contracts are up - they are the easy ones to get rid of if he doesn't want them. The difficult part is unloading some of the deadbeats who are still on contract - eg Trotter. We can only hope NL can find some mug to take them.
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on May 17, 2015 7:30:26 GMT
Unfortunately I think we'll be stuck with the likes of Feeney, Trotter and Danns as well as several other numpties signed on long contracts by Freedman and Coyle. Until they are gone we're stuffed and can only hope NL can turn up a few unpolished gems but in fairness with the likes of Clough, Clayton, Pratley and mini Davvo back from injury plus hopefully one or two more youngsters coming through we might not be too badly off without much coming in. Even having Baptiste back might help things out. I never thought he was given a real chance in his proper central position by Freedman and along with Wheater and Ream there, he could make a difference. He might even turn out to be good captain material, something else we're lacking. We may have little money but we may be better off next year than it might look?
|
|
|
Post by andyl on May 17, 2015 16:00:47 GMT
Re the original question, yes he has got it right. He had no choice but to shed the out of contract players. Craig D wasn't fit enough and in my opinion Mills and Lonergan had proved inconsistent. If Bogdan doesn't sign on then NL has told us he will buy a better keeper than Lonergan- this is the implication of his decision. Maybe he has a line on Amos ( Please note that in saying this I am not saying that I don't rate Lonergan. You all know that. I am saying that NL is clearly now in my camp re the debate.) The one thing that sticks a bit with me is that in both Lonergan's and Mills' case NL has praised them to the heavens, overly in my view, and now looks to have swung to the opposite pinion. It looks and is erratic behaviour. And players next season might wish to beware the smile on the face of the tiger?
Re all the others they are in contract and NL is powerless unless he can sell them. Much as I'd like him to eject Feeney and others would like to shift Trotter we are all stuck. But we shouldn't be surprised if one or two of the ones we are stuck with are loaned or reloaned--despite the waste of money in the first place
I think we should for the time being take the BN's reporting of cash flow problems with a pinch of salt. There has been no material change in finanacial strategy for two years and more. Within the budget whatever it is once the ceiling is reached further full term manoeuvres are only possible on a one out, one in basis. The released players probably do not add up to the costs of Spearing and Baptiste were they to return. That being the case these are the first decsions then perhaps a 5m kitty is released?
|
|
|
Post by ivanofalkov on May 17, 2015 19:07:09 GMT
Why not offer them all as a job lot at pound shop prices to our old friend DF. He seemed to rate them...
|
|
|
Post by westandlower on May 17, 2015 20:06:15 GMT
There's always the chance that some have been kept on in the expectation that bids will come in for them e.g. Spearing, Wheater, Odelusi, Maher etc. Similarly the like of Lonergan and Mills were probably wanting more wages than NL thought was right. If they "come to their senses", they might be re-signed on what NL thinks are reasonable terms.
I do confess to being mystified why Tome Eaves has been kept on. When he got a run out or two in our Premiership days, he looked to have some promise to me, but his latter loan spells would seem to indicate that he has peaked and is now in decline. I could see him going to Div 3 or the Conference, but I don't think he would command a fee.
I saw the last U21 game against Arsenal. Woolery looked to have promise; more so than Wilkinson. Holding looked nothing special. Lussey (on loan from Liverpool) did nothing but give the ball away in dangerous positions (and scored our goal, Jamie Thomas had a good 10 minute cameo, but the star of the show was midfield playmaker: Channing Campbell-Young for me (but what can you tell from one game).
BTW despite beating us 3-1, Arsenal looked no better than us, but took their chances.
|
|
|
Post by joanna on May 18, 2015 8:06:57 GMT
Some interesting replies, thanks. The thing that stands out for me is the lack of goalscorers, especially now that we have said goodbye to Beckford and Craig Davies.
My opinion is that Odelusi, Wilkinson and Eaves are definitely not up to the job, and the cash needed to acquire anyone better than those released may not be available. I wish we had taken more time trialling Benik Afobe who looked promising to me, even when still raw. He had pace and an eye for goal.
Another possible error lies in the retention of Bogdan whose transfer could have brought us some money. He may not sign a new contract and his wages and fresh demands are prohibitive. In any case, we have a safer pair of hands in Lonergan whose salary is not as high and he possesses equal or superior capability. We certainly would not be able to afford someone better.....unless you can think of someone!
Above all, there is a distinct lack of pace and power, a fact not helped by the release of the above. The clubs who have been promoted have these qualities in abundance, and are able to play a physically demanding pressing game. We never seem fit enough.....another issue that must be addressed urgently.
I hope NL has some suitable targets in mind that will not ultimately produce the usual pre-season response of "Well, we tried......"
|
|
|
Post by one2many on May 18, 2015 10:32:33 GMT
With regard to Lonergan, I think something must have happened behind the scenes. Looking at his comments in the Bolton News, he acknowledges that after the Forest game things changed. Did NL think he was feiging injury? Has he spoken out of turn? We may never know, but for sure, NL doesn't want him around next season. No contract offer on table and that despite the strong possibility that our other senior keeper might not put pen to paper.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on May 18, 2015 15:51:34 GMT
I am not in the slightest bit bothered that we have let Lonergan go. He will be nearly 32 when we start the new season, (not particularly old in goalkeeper terms I know) but he has spent all his footballing career in the championship or lower leagues, at his age he is not going to get any better, he will only get worse as age starts to take its toll and if we can sign someone younger and with more promise, then that's what we should be doing.
|
|
|
Post by joanna on May 18, 2015 18:11:51 GMT
But at what cost, RTF? Anyone better than AL would cost lots. It would be much cheaper to keep Lonergan whom NL described as the best keeper in the championship not very long ago. I think 1TooMany is on the right track with his theory.
|
|
|
Post by andyl on May 18, 2015 20:32:03 GMT
Yes I agree. He is! That Forest incident was very odd indeed
|
|
|
Post by riochforthereebok on May 19, 2015 9:19:04 GMT
What's all this talk of FIFA relaxing the Fair Play rules and how would or could this affect The Trotters for the coming seasons transfer situation?? Don't understand the fair play at all? £59m for Di Maria £45m for Kevin De Bruyne, if he joins City, £150,000 per week for Sterling, £43,000 per day for Rooney and we're struggling to put two pence together for average to poor players?? Blackburn can't buy Baptiste because of it and QPR, who are not only suffering from the drop look likely to be hit with a £60m fine. How's all that fair?
|
|