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Post by andyl on May 19, 2015 10:32:38 GMT
If, and it's a big if, I understand FFP at all there is more than one system! UEFA has a system that drives or is intended to drive the financial dealings of clubs who participate in its competitions. This is all Platini can relax.
But a) the Premier League and b) the Football League have agreed the wisdom of the approach and adopted their own bespoke systems but obviously at a lowere level of finance
So what UEFA does will not directly affect the Wanderers unless and until the Football League follows suit?
Complexities are created by parachute systems and yo yo clubs. If a team over spends to get itself promoted it will be OK within the parameters for the League above but if it is immediately relegated then there is a lagging liability relating to what it did in the previous season.
There is of course a real problem re contracted players on EPL salaries in the Championship and that's what the parachute payments are designed for. Initially it was imagined that this would give an advantage to relegated clubs but as we know only too well the players who get you relegated aren't the ones who are going to storm the championship! QPR are a clear example of a club falling foul of everything shedding lots of players, splashing out to get promoted and then failing!
I suppose that what most fans want is stability, sensible management of their own club and a more or less fair crack at of the whip when they take the field?
I think FFP at Championship level has been successful? Owners can still to a degree speculate for success but they have to keep an eye on a future relegation scenario. Bournemouth are partway along the journey. Burnley will be OK. Leicester have done well. There is incentive but less temptation for self destruction. I would also argue that the championship is interesting because it delivered some really even contests. Without FFP it might not have? It has also been good to see Bolton rein in their excesses which even if down to the generosity of input by the owner were nevertheless of a scale to worry us fans and appear to be having some backlash now.
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Post by OohMac on May 19, 2015 12:08:20 GMT
We shouldn't need any organisation to tell us not to lose more than £10M a year, there should have been a structure put in for all eventualities i.e here's looking at you Phil. The fact that we've created £5M from a set of players that with the exception of Lonergan(at a push) we can have no qualms about losing. I'd like to see if we can get another £5M and get another load out.
Worryingly how many of these players we're signed on a fee? How much have we lost on fee's alone and when was the last player we sold for a profit. Gary Cahill? We managed to make £3M on the next England captain and have lost on every other player. The only players we could make a profit on are the younger players. So why for years have we paid journeymen on big wages, and often paid a fee to bring them in.
I'm glad Lennon is finally getting rid of some deadwood but just shows what a sorry state this club has been run in the last 5 or 10 years and like I say I blame weak managers with no eye talent, Phil Gartside who allowed these players and sanctioned some of this deals, not to mention money he's spent on severance pay for managers he's picked(because he is people in the know) but ultimately Eddie Davies was the man whose overseen the whole thing and it boils down to him and now future investment/takeover is made almost impossible because the debt he's allowed to build up is much too large.
So personally I welcome financial fair play, because Gartside could be burying the club without it but "fair" it just isn't.
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 20, 2015 10:40:13 GMT
Thanks for clearing all that up andyl and ooomac
Big fancy stadium apart, we now look like the old club we used to look in our latter years at Burnden only this time, we can't rely on Lifeline or Normid to bail us out, we don't have a decent sponsors name on our shirt and the loo's smell slightly better than Burnden, but we are simply beholden to Eddie and his dollar. Perhaps then we should be grateful of his financial stability, as it appears that no other investors have £170m or would want to invest £170m in a failing championship club . So yes, we could potentially drop down the divisions or even stay where we are but we're never to see the big time BSA days of yesteryear again!! It was interesting to hear the 'Joy of the Rovers' documentary on the Beeb about Blackburns unlikely tilt at their Premier League title winning days and it was said, by Dalgleish, that this could never be repeated, especially with the FFP and that got me thinking that the BSA days of Okocha, Campo, Djorkaeff and Anelka would never ever be seen again from any club. What a big shame.. Ah well, onwards and upwards I say. Over to you Neil..
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Post by whitesince63 on May 20, 2015 18:56:05 GMT
Thanks for clearing all that up andyl and ooomac Big fancy stadium apart, we now look like the old club we used to look in our latter years at Burnden only this time, we can't rely on Lifeline or Normid to bail us out, we don't have a decent sponsors name on our shirt and the loo's smell slightly better than Burnden, but we are simply beholden to Eddie and his dollar. Perhaps then we should be grateful of his financial stability, as it appears that no other investors have £170m or would want to invest £170m in a failing championship club . So yes, we could potentially drop down the divisions or even stay where we are but we're never to see the big time BSA days of yesteryear again!! It was interesting to hear the 'Joy of the Rovers' documentary on the Beeb about Blackburns unlikely tilt at their Premier League title winning days and it was said, by Dalgleish, that this could never be repeated, especially with the FFP and that got me thinking that the BSA days of Okocha, Campo, Djorkaeff and Anelka would never ever be seen again from any club. What a big shame.. Ah well, onwards and upwards I say. Over to you Neil.. What memories rtf but at least we saw it and all those wonderful players. Of course it can never happen again but comfort yourself that at least you had that to remember. I suppose the fans of Forest, Derby, Coventry, Wimbledon and even Leeds are thinking the same thing and will probably never see those likes again. I suffered all those years through Normid, Lifeline etc. so how grateful I am that I at least have that memory. There are at least 70 or 80 clubs supporters who never will!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 21, 2015 10:08:01 GMT
Thanks for clearing all that up andyl and ooomac Big fancy stadium apart, we now look like the old club we used to look in our latter years at Burnden only this time, we can't rely on Lifeline or Normid to bail us out, we don't have a decent sponsors name on our shirt and the loo's smell slightly better than Burnden, but we are simply beholden to Eddie and his dollar. Perhaps then we should be grateful of his financial stability, as it appears that no other investors have £170m or would want to invest £170m in a failing championship club . So yes, we could potentially drop down the divisions or even stay where we are but we're never to see the big time BSA days of yesteryear again!! It was interesting to hear the 'Joy of the Rovers' documentary on the Beeb about Blackburns unlikely tilt at their Premier League title winning days and it was said, by Dalgleish, that this could never be repeated, especially with the FFP and that got me thinking that the BSA days of Okocha, Campo, Djorkaeff and Anelka would never ever be seen again from any club. What a big shame.. Ah well, onwards and upwards I say. Over to you Neil.. What memories rtf but at least we saw it and all those wonderful players. Of course it can never happen again but comfort yourself that at least you had that to remember. I suppose the fans of Forest, Derby, Coventry, Wimbledon and even Leeds are thinking the same thing and will probably never see those likes again. I suffered all those years through Normid, Lifeline etc. so how grateful I am that I at least have that memory. There are at least 70 or 80 clubs supporters who never will!! Or maybe we need one of them 24hr Co-Op's next to the DeVere hotel to keep us from admin Yeah, absolutely right W63, we are all quick to forget the heady days of Wiimbledon and their demise and Forest, ex double European Champions that haven't seen the Prem in years, Coventry??? One of those teams like Everton who had never been relegated from the top division and now look at them, similar stadium to us and cack players...
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 24, 2015 17:20:09 GMT
Please don't anybody tell me that letting Beckford go was the right decision.... He's just not been managed properly by Lennon and Freedman
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 24, 2015 17:23:25 GMT
I can't disagree there Rioch. The other way of looking at it is 'has he now found his level'?
He had the wrong team around him at Bolton but he's proved that if he gets the right service he'll bang um in!! UP THE PRESTON !!!!!! Half time 3-0
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 24, 2015 17:58:05 GMT
It's been quite a weekend for the association of BWFC for all those making the headlines...
Browny BSA Beckford Sam Ricketts (getting turned inside out by Beckford)
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Post by whitesince63 on May 25, 2015 7:45:40 GMT
Beckford was given more than enough chances by Freedman and let's not forget at Everton and other previous clubs and couldn't cut it at that level so I wouldn't expect much different from him next season whoever his manager is and who he's playing besides. The Swindon defending was pathetic and his second apart you'd have expected any half decent striker to put the others away. Let's just wait and see next season, but would I want him back here next season? Not on your Nellie because once again I think he'll be found out
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