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Post by socalwanderers on Feb 14, 2015 17:17:01 GMT
WHAT A GAME!!!
Unfortunatley we lost 3-4 but for an offside flag Wheater had it in the net at he death to make it 4-4 it was not to be!
Cant wait or the post match comments!
Did we deserve to lose?
Was lady luck not with us today?
Unlucky lads! Keep your heads ups!!
COYWM!!!
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Post by megsontilidie on Feb 14, 2015 17:28:01 GMT
forgot to say in my 2nd post.. 3 assists for Feeney.
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Post by andyl on Feb 14, 2015 17:48:07 GMT
That was not a good game for anyone with heart or stress problems. The result could have ranged from 5-1 to 3-7. 5-5 would have perhaps been fair. It was therefore very entertaining and no doubt pleasurable certainly for BWFC masochists . After we went 2-1 up and held it they went with three at the back. That was our best period. Le Fondre could have had a hat trick and really should have scored when miskicking a simple dink one on one.
Watford are a very good attacking side and scored four well taken goals. In a few hours time I might reach a position of thinking that the better side won. Certainly Lonergan had to make three very good saves to keep us in it and the second element of a double save even if ultimately offside was exceptional.
Again the game seemed to be all about Feeney. Three excellent assists were greatly to his credit. He made all three of our goals. And again I will reflect that he had a good game. Yet just at the moment I would like him hung,drawn and quartered for the mad dash and poor cross which launched their breakaway winner. It was exactly what I was criticising in midweek . But here with Janko off who had himself been moved back to counter the pace problems Vela was having. Feeney had been charged with the right side defensive cover and he bombed forward and in effect gave a goal away. At that point we should have been settling for 3-3 unless a set piece came along.
We had though done some excellent things. Le Fondre's near post goal was excellent and the opportunism with which Feeney outwitted both Watford and the refs assistant for Clough's first was admirable. The referee did well to allow this.
In the final analysis though we had no answer to their attack . Ream did some very good work in tight positions on the left but otherwise the defenders had a dreadful time never getting close enough , not clearing their lines and generally second best. To compound their difficulties we really struggled in midfield. Danns at times was quite dreadful and could singlehanded lay have blundered two goals for them
Clough had a fine game up front and if he was naively caught in possession and once spurned a pass to Le Fondre for an open goal he was very good moving forward. He scored goals 1 and 3 and sent Feeney through for goal 2 . He is an exciting prospect
I hope NL shoulders some blame for the defeat. We were too open today and three times 4 goals conceded is five league games is not good enough. It is too easy to score against us - their first being an example and we nearly lost two when Lonergan dived away from a shot that became a pass and showed just why he seldom uses his feet. His counterpart Gomes had the better of the keeper games because his distribution was superior by far. Nevertheless in the second half Lonergan kept them out well and really had no chance with the goals. Abdi's was the pick and reminiscent of his goal three seasons ago at Watford. But again we gave him all the time in the world. We are sorely missing Pratley. Bannen was very impressive on the ball but a bit lightweight when they had it . We struggled badly out of possession although thevspiritvwasn't to be faulted
In sum a thrilling game, way too open for comfort. The better side won but we had chances a plenty and a very naive piece of play at the death cost us the draw we so nearly achieved. Watford will lose games. Their defence is dodgy but going forward they are very impressive
Lonergan 7 Vela 3 Dervite 4 Wheater 4 Ream 7 Janko 5 Danns 3 Bannen 7 Feeney 8 Clough 8 Le Fondre 7 Eidur 6( prominent in the build up to the equaliser)
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Post by andyl on Feb 14, 2015 17:55:03 GMT
And on the 4-4 it certainly wan't Wheater offside but the flag perhaps against Le Fondre was instant and I never thought we had equalised. In the first half Wheater missed a very good heading chance . Our heading throughout was ill directed. It was one such header from Dervite that set the going for their third. It should never have come about!
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Post by davidm on Feb 14, 2015 19:03:14 GMT
Yet another late sickener.
We have now conceded in the last minute in 3 out of the last 4 home games. We have also conceded the first goal in our last 5 home league games. Time we started better.
It was a tremendously exciting match and we should not have lost. In the first 20 minutes of the second half, we let Watford attack us and played on the break. We broke so well that we had 3 or 4 really good chances that we missed and paid the price. If any one of those had gone in, we would have been 3-1 up.
Credit goes to Watford for attacking from minute one and also attacking in the last minute when they could have settled for a draw.
Overall some good attacking but with chances missed and some dithering defending which eventually cost us.
Lonergan - 8 8 out of 10 sounds extreme when he conceded 4 goals but in the first 25 minutes of the second half he made numerous saves and kept Watford out incredibly.
Vela - 5 Got skinned by Watford’s left wing back, Anyi. Swopped into midfield in second half.
Dervite - 5 Looked reasonably steady but was part of a dithering back four which eventually cost us.
Wheater - 5 Same as Dervite – quite steady but was skinned in a one on one for Watford’s first goal.
Ream - 5 Yet again, will not use his right foot. Great chance at 2-1 on the right but wouldn’t shoot and turned back onto his left and chance was lost. Badly at fault (fast asleep really) for Watford’s 3rd goal when he did not mark for a long cross.
Feeney - 7 After last week’s debate on his crossing, he again had spells of poor centering but he also made 3 crosses for 3 goals. Not a right wing back as we played him for last 10 minutes.
Danns - 6 Still gets caught in possession too much. Works really hard and then lets himself down with an abysmal pass in the last minute of injury time when all he had to do was roll the ball out to Feeney to get our last attack going.
Bannan - 5 Couldn’t dominate at all. Watford’s midfield worked in triangles and passed the ball around and, ultimately, through our midfield.
Janko - 5 Looked a bit lost. Had a couple of good runs which petered out. Swopped to right back in second half and looked out of sorts there.
Clough - 8 Two more goals – loads of good runs. We looked good at the start of the second half when he and Le Fondre played on the break. He does though needs to get his head up and play in his colleagues at times.
Le Fondre - 6 Should have been 9 out 10 as he should have had a hat trick. Excellent goal and 2 or 3 great chances in the second half.
Manager - 7 Brilliant attacking entertainment let down by poor finishing and sleepy defending. Credit to the manager for such a positive display. I did not understand swopping Vela into midfield in second half and it seemed to weaken us.
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Post by spanishjonny on Feb 14, 2015 21:29:04 GMT
Beaten by a better team, a bit like our Prem days, trying to ' out attack' an attacking team If Alf or Cloughie had scored from our superb counter attacks at the start of the second half the 3 points would have been ours
Thought no body had had a poor game but Danns, Vela and Clough lost points for getting caught in possession in the later stages The right back problem is still there, highlited by Lennon sticking a tired Janko there with no cover on the bench, he won't risk McNaughton there will he? We should have settled for a point at 3-3, to fall for the sucker punch from a proven goalscorer, Deeny, was naive
Positives, Clough, what a player he's going to be!, Alf looked sharp, Bannan is quality, Ream is a very good player who will be attracting interest from bigger clubs soon, we are going in the right direction and good times are coming back, the crowd for the last 2 home games has been dissapointing but Lennon will get us back to the Prem the right way
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Post by megsontilidie on Feb 14, 2015 22:00:57 GMT
further thoughts : looking back at the goals. Dervite was as culpable as Wheater for the first. Wheater despite his lack of pace did well to get back and slow Ighalo up. the forward turns inside...... and if you look at Dervites starting position when Ighalo got the ball, he was only a yard behind him but he stops and leaves it all to DW, then makes a late surge to get back..but it's too late.
AndyL is spot on re the 2nd goal. Abdi is given an ocean of space. even more remarkable given the number of shots he'd already had. for the 4th, we have 3 guys holding up the guy in possession on the right side of our defence...and a guy of the class of Deeney is allowed to wander free..moving from a central position out left to the gaping hole in our defence.
12 shots on target is a lot to concede. no real blame to Lonergan for any of them. not only were the defence a bit shaky, but the point has been made that the midfield didn't protect them enough & i agree. Danns didn't play as well as he did midweek. and Bannan was better when we had the ball rather than without it. but again a weeks rest might help there, as players like Bannan and Janko for differing reasons aren't at peak fitness. Bannan hasn't been getting a regular game at Palace, and the level Janko has been playing is probably not as intense as this. i doubt Twardzik and Slavchev are up to speed physically either, but even so it was a little surprising NL didn't make some changes to freshen things up a bit...maybe Twardzik for Danns.
on the subject of McNaughton, i think DavidM in a previous thread might have hit the nail on the head....restricted to 5 loans players on any matchday.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 15, 2015 11:07:55 GMT
Isn't it great to actually be excited by our team again?! Hoarse yet again the day after, we were beaten by a much better team but I still don't think they should have won. As Andy said above we could easily have won or drawn 5-5. Bottom line for me was seeing how easy we made it for them to score. Their strikers seemed to have acres of space and seconds to think what to do - not good enough Bolton but with Lennon as Manager at least we know that he will have spotted the mistakes and WILL learn from the mistakes. From the BBC website: Possession40% 60% 90mins Bolton Wanderers Watford Shots 19 20 On target 9 12 Corners 4 5 Fouls 6 9
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Post by andyl on Feb 15, 2015 11:09:17 GMT
Yes but with McNaughton I 've heard that much as with Medo the real concern is about fitness and he clearly isn't passing tests else with our right back problems he'd be a shoe in to the team itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:29:20 GMT
All in all a very good game both teams could have won it but we should have had a pen in the second half,pauses as hears gasp from other board reader, I have not seen the highlights yet but I hope they show the bit were ALF gets hurt , did any body notice how he came to be beating the ground in when the ball had gone ? will just in case the beeb don't show it he was kicked by the right full back when zac clough had the ball to me that's a red and a pen. Lets all hope the rest of the seasons as good as yesterday but with better results .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:30:42 GMT
Yes but with McNaughton I 've heard that much as with Medo the real concern is about fitness and he clearly isn't passing tests else with our right back problems he'd be a shoe in to the team itself. Errrrr Andy Medo has gone to some were in the far east.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:33:19 GMT
Yes what a game and yes happy with the performance but as N.L. said 4 against 2 for there winner why could we not have closed Deeney down. Lonergan must be so pissed off this morning with his defenders for not stopping Deeney have a shot, all that said I think we won't win the league now so I think N.L. should be sorting out his team for next season i.e getting rid of all the players he doesn't want and getting a grip with his defence and get young Clough signed on a long term deal. Now for Forrest and freedman lets go there and show him what we can do I will be there as it is a home game for me so COYWM 3 points in the bag please.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 15, 2015 14:08:23 GMT
Clough signed a new contract already. He's one of the only ones who have. Lennon said he wouldn't play players who weren't signed up months ago but there are still lots of players who will be free agents in the summer. Josh Vela especially.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 15, 2015 18:03:29 GMT
Quite frankly OM unless young Josh ups his game a bit it wouldn't trouble me if he didn't re-sign. That goes for most of the others too because at the moment our defence is way off the pace and I think the only one I would keep is Wheater. We desperately need two new full backs and put Ream back in the middle or even in front of the back four where he did so well when played there. I think NL is just giving everyone a chance because he has no other choice but there needs to be a big clear out in the close season and for NL to bring in the players he believes can do the things he needs. I think under successive managers until now the quality of our squad has been dumped down and dummed down until it seems even average players are acceptable. Well fortunately they aren't to NL and I genuinely have confidence that next year our new team will at last start to move us back up from the dross we've had to endure for the last ten years. Onwards and upwards and if we can hold on to NL next year should be a whole lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 21:14:07 GMT
Quite frankly OM unless young Josh ups his game a bit it wouldn't trouble me if he didn't re-sign. That goes for most of the others too because at the moment our defence is way off the pace and I think the only one I would keep is Wheater. We desperately need two new full backs and put Ream back in the middle or even in front of the back four where he did so well when played there. I think NL is just giving everyone a chance because he has no other choice but there needs to be a big clear out in the close season and for NL to bring in the players he believes can do the things he needs. I think under successive managers until now the quality of our squad has been dumped down and dummed down until it seems even average players are acceptable. Well fortunately they aren't to NL and I genuinely have confidence that next year our new team will at last start to move us back up from the dross we've had to endure for the last ten years. Onwards and upwards and if we can hold on to NL next year should be a whole lot better. Well I for one would disagree with about Josh ,he has done as his manager asked and stood in to fill a gap and to my mind has very well ,when you consider the fact that he is playing behind a dumbo like Danns and learning a new position he is allowed one or two mistakes , full back is not one of the easy position on the field more so in the modern game were full backs are asked to attack as well as defened and I don't think we will see the best of josh until late in the season or even next year ,for me full back or midfield the lad has promise and talent and he has to re-sign .
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