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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 9, 2024 13:20:59 GMT
I think that apart from Baxter we could probably all agree that last summers signings were pretty ineffective. Paris later showed some good points but I’m still not sure that he delivered that much and we might have done better. So far the signings have again been underwhelming and I can only hope that Evatt is working on some more experienced and proven quality faces. This is his last shot here so he has to get it right and according to Sharon she’s backed him to do that. He needs to repay that faith but contracted until 26 would she have the money to fire him if he didn’t? Did she really have an option not to back him this time? My big fear with Evatt, as it has always been, is that he can’t countenance players who don’t follow his line completely. I know it wasn’t football but when I was a manager I wanted the best people for the job they were doing, irrespective within reasons, of how they individually did it. As long as we achieved our goals and all contributed it didn’t really matter. Today it seems that everybody has to follow a pre designed plan with no variance from it. You can see the same thing with England and to be fair with others as well as the PL and other European teams so it’s not just Evatt. The individuality seems to have been completely strangled out of football in favour of some chessboard tactical perceived masterclass. Based on that I’m not sure I’m expecting the kind of signings we’re all hoping for but maybe I’m overthinking it and he will come up with exactly what we hope for. I’d certainly expect something to happen this week as the season gets ever closer.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 9, 2024 14:28:31 GMT
Well my rant didn't sent Rioch so I'll paraphrase it.
Season 1 - all data driven, YouTube superstars signed in the summer. We didn't miss out on any of our targets Ian says. We'd assembled a squad that rivalled Keith Hills deadline day side for rank badness. Cap in hand in January.
Season 2 - it's ridiculous to say we need more strikers says Ian. By October/November time we were dreadful. Trying desperately to get games abandoned until after January. Another begging bowl taken to the board.
Season 3 - better than normal got Trafford and Bradley. We probably didn't need to use January as much as we did. In the end the sale of Dapo for Adeboyejo. Not using John and Sadlier made us weaker. The January recruits were very poor.
Season 4 - deals in place for a RWB and a DM in Wilson and Baccus. Fell through and we never even explored the other options. CMG and Maghoma came too late so struggled at the start. Our key positions without proper cover meant we played Williams until we broke him, then kept breaking him and played JDC who badly dipped. Another poor January that didn't help at all bar Collins.
Ultimately I don't think fans can say "trust in evatt to get it right" because if he did get it right in the summer there would be no need for massive imports in January but we've always had to use it.
Also Rioch, see Langstaff has gone to Millwall in a deal worth 6 figures. 27 goal machine really. Probably needed Championship football to compete for him but a signing like that is what I think is needed for fans to sit up and take note. Even brining Maghoma back isn't getting us better than we were last season.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 9, 2024 14:29:00 GMT
And yes, that is abridged rant believe it or not.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 9, 2024 14:59:45 GMT
I'd love to disagree with Whites about Evatt rejecting players who might have strong personalities. I suppose we are experiencing the same sort of thing with Gareth Southgate's selections, and maybe Whites is reading it right, as the England team is certainly lacking in character. Looking back to the Parkinson management here we can recall any amount of experience old pros drafted in and often with good results. I look back with joy at the Abraham header v Forest, and a spectacular dribble and goal from the right wing by Gary O'Neill in another match. Yet for all these experienced and formerly influential players being around the team failed to develop like the mostly homegrown units of the Eighties and Nineties, and like Evatt's teams mostly over the past few seasons. Surely he must see that even the insertion of one captain marvellous - and that's all a very good team needs- would ensure his aims are met. Therefore I believe, if an amateur like myself can see this, an almost totally successful manager like him with strong admin support around him should be able to see it, especially if he reads Whites' many outpourings. I continue to hope for the early signing of that one necessary organising midfield player. I wonder who he may be. Lucas Akins in his day would have been a good choice, and I think he has still been doing it for Mansfield. We will soon see.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 9, 2024 19:31:30 GMT
As I’ve ranted earlier, it’ll be freebies, loans and lower league players
Danny Armstrong from Kilmarnock??? Is this for real or is it a wind up?
7 goals in the SPL or League 2 as it should be known and amalgamated with, based on its lack of quality and excitement
I always called for the lad Langstaff instead of wasted cash on Adeboyejo and Nlundulu but he’s not the level Evatt is looking at
Another un exciting player we’re linked with and why do we need a winger when other areas of more importance need strengthening
Strange
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 10, 2024 11:54:51 GMT
It’s certainly confusing there’s no question about that but we shouldn’t panic. We can all have views on who and what type of player we need but it’s Evatt’s view that counts always and he has to succeed or fail on it. I’ve made my views clear on the type he won’t bring in because the only times he has brought stronger minded players in they have ended up leaving under a cloud so unless he’s had a radical rethink I suspect it will be more young hopefuls that won’t question him. It doesn’t make sense to me because experienced players from a higher level, especially those who have handled promotions could surely be an asset both on the pitch and in the dressing room. Maybe his ego won’t let him share any of the success if we have some? I hope not because the teams crying out for some solidity on the pitch, especially when things are going against you, so I’m hoping I’m completely wrong and he does sign some characters. I know there’s no great rush but you have to say that this summer has been not only the strangest but also the quietest with almost nothing coming out from the club and poor old Marc Iles in the BN must be working overtime spinning the little he’s being fed? So let’s wait and see who he signs and as importantly who he allows to leave unless its additions only this year?
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Post by OohMac on Jul 10, 2024 13:45:52 GMT
I'm not panicking and that's not to say that I think we will get it right. I'm sure Evatt won't change as much we he needed and I'm sure that will make his October exit more predictable. In Evatt we trust. Can't be used anymore.
We were meant to have been working all last year on two game plans, one for championship and contingency. We're working with the analytics team from Liverpool that would open the door to the foreign market.
Foreign market? You mean Kilmarnock? Cheltenham, Crawley and Wycombe so far.
Runs its course, taken as far as he can, been found out. All mottos I'd use rather than In Ian we trust.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 10, 2024 15:42:27 GMT
It’s hard to argue with that OM and I think Evatts going to have to rebuild confidence before he regains trust. He’s got a long way to go and I personally don’t think his hiding away act is helping him. Have we had a rallying call from him yet, not unless I’ve missed it and that instead just looks arrogant. I read all the local papers here and every night there is some kind of news from the club either management or players yet from the BN nothing. I think even Evatts most ardent fans are starting to doubt him, I certainly am and I have backed him up to now but I have to admit even I’m losing patience. I’ll give him a bit longer but I just hope his signings indicate the changes he’s indicated because if it’s the same old lower league gambles I think he could be in trouble.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 10, 2024 16:17:17 GMT
It’s hard to argue with that OM and I think Evatts going to have to rebuild confidence before he regains trust. He’s got a long way to go and I personally don’t think his hiding away act is helping him. Have we had a rallying call from him yet, not unless I’ve missed it and that instead just looks arrogant. I read all the local papers here and every night there is some kind of news from the club either management or players yet from the BN nothing. I think even Evatts most ardent fans are starting to doubt him, I certainly am and I have backed him up to now but I have to admit even I’m losing patience. I’ll give him a bit longer but I just hope his signings indicate the changes he’s indicated because if it’s the same old lower league gambles I think he could be in trouble. He's done a piece with Marc but it wasn't a call to arms. It was basically saying how badly he took it and he doubted whether he was the man for the job still. I take it Sharon at that point came with a cupcake and candle and told him to turn that frown upside down and said I know what will cheer you up Mr Grumpy pants. Why not have one of your mates from Blackpool come and hang out with you. "I can't do that to Silent Pete, he's been there with me every step of the way. You just don't realise because he never says or does anything" "Well why not have two assistant managers. Do you think two will be enough?"
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 11, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
OM you cynic. 🥴
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Post by OohMac on Jul 11, 2024 18:51:15 GMT
Blame you Whites, you mentioned announcements on Monday. I thought after the Portugal trip they would be think and fast changes.
Seems like a wasted week both for any players coming in and any going out.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 11, 2024 21:40:42 GMT
Blame you Whites, you mentioned announcements on Monday. I thought after the Portugal trip they would be think and fast changes. Seems like a wasted week both for any players coming in and any going out. The rumour came from Nixon about Monday but obviously nothing came off but maybe it will later. Now though linked with ex Rangers man Scott Arfield. He can play both wings and centrally it seems but is 35 and it’s only a 1 year deal but with all his experience it only needs to be 1 year if he helps get us up. It may not be true but given he knows Markham well from the past it could well be genuine?
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Post by OohMac on Jul 12, 2024 8:18:16 GMT
Blame you Whites, you mentioned announcements on Monday. I thought after the Portugal trip they would be think and fast changes. Seems like a wasted week both for any players coming in and any going out. The rumour came from Nixon about Monday but obviously nothing came off but maybe it will later. Now though linked with ex Rangers man Scott Arfield. He can play both wings and centrally it seems but is 35 and it’s only a 1 year deal but with all his experience it only needs to be 1 year if he helps get us up. It may not be true but given he knows Markham well from the past it could well be genuine? I think Nixon had a good relationship with Coyle, so for a while I thought that everything he said must have had some element of truth. Then I realised he just makes so much up and if anyone challenges it he just blocks them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Arfield link was just training to keep him ticking over, maybe a game but says he signed an extension over there with a view to another. Assume he's on decent money in MLS.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2024 9:20:53 GMT
Well nothings been released by the club, either confirming or denying the Arfield rumour but if it is a goer you’d expect to hear something today. I hadn’t heard that he’d extended his contract as they said he’d only been there about 6 months but if that’s the case I can’t see why he’d even be considering coming back here. Like you I’d 3xpect him to be on decent money in the MLS, more than we’re likely to offer him here but you never know, maybe he’s just homesick. Given his experience though I’d think it could be a very intelligent signing and he could make a good leader on the pitch and possibly a candidate for captain? It is disappointing though that we haven’t really heard anything from Evatt other than one small, relatively insignificant piece. All the papers round here, Barnsley, Rotherham, Sheffield and Doncaster are full every night with quotes, comments and details of what’s happening yet we’ve had zilch from our leaders, not even about our plans and expectations going forward. I know you don’t like Evatt and I have to say I’m beginning to lose respect for him myself but as the season approaches and the friendlies start happening I’m sure he’ll have to come out of hiding and start conversing. Let’s just hope when he does it’s sensible this year not just big mouth nonsense comments?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 12, 2024 10:10:40 GMT
Well nothings been released by the club, either confirming or denying the Arfield rumour but if it is a goer you’d expect to hear something today. I hadn’t heard that he’d extended his contract as they said he’d only been there about 6 months but if that’s the case I can’t see why he’d even be considering coming back here. Like you I’d 3xpect him to be on decent money in the MLS, more than we’re likely to offer him here but you never know, maybe he’s just homesick. Given his experience though I’d think it could be a very intelligent signing and he could make a good leader on the pitch and possibly a candidate for captain? It is disappointing though that we haven’t really heard anything from Evatt other than one small, relatively insignificant piece. All the papers round here, Barnsley, Rotherham, Sheffield and Doncaster are full every night with quotes, comments and details of what’s happening yet we’ve had zilch from our leaders, not even about our plans and expectations going forward. I know you don’t like Evatt and I have to say I’m beginning to lose respect for him myself but as the season approaches and the friendlies start happening I’m sure he’ll have to come out of hiding and start conversing. Let’s just hope when he does it’s sensible this year not just big mouth nonsense comments? It’s a bloody sham W63, that’s what it is 3 underwhelming signings of lesser quality than we already have and are now linked with ‘35 year old veterans’ Why not just bring LeFondre back and have done with it (actually still think he could do a job for us) Is it me (and a few others) or are all at BWFC simply not communicating with the BN or other media outlets that we have to rely on scraps from Nixon and Patreon?? Either that, or we genuinely haven’t got any deals in the pipeline Bloody well piss poor so far and with just 4 weeks to kick off, any potential signings will have very little time to bed in
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