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Post by OohMac on Dec 20, 2023 18:52:08 GMT
Not about Ian but general manager talk and a few odd moves.
Firstly Steve Cooper getting the sack at Forest. Bottom of the championship. Won promotion. Kept them up despite being favourites to go down. Keeping them afloat this year. Sold Johnson for good profit. Brought in Nuno who couldn't get a tune from a spurs team with Harry Kane in it. (If that's not a careful what you wish for I don't know what it)
Also odd moves for Michael Beale going in at Sunderland. Taken out steady eddy Mowbray for a guy failed at Rangers. A number two really. Rangers new manager has turned it around similarly to Emery at Villa after Stevie G, Beales organ grinder.
Another odd one is Steve Schumacher leaving Plymouth for Stoke.
Just seems that after months of surprisingly level headidness the whole manager merry go round ride is back, out of control and anyone who thinks that Bolton fans are unfair or too rash need to look at the bigger picture
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Post by OohMac on Dec 20, 2023 18:56:56 GMT
Sorry that makes me sound like I'm again pushing for Evatts sacking. I'm not. In fact I back him now more than any other time in his tenure. But he needs to learn from defeats. Disappointed with his "Santos doesn't need to be told, he knows" he let's us down (bad patch coinciding with a sending off) every season.
Rico like Evatt needs to keep on improving and learning and neither are far from complete.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 3, 2024 19:24:16 GMT
Does make one wonder, with Plymouth and Birmingham looking for new managers, along with Swansea who are currently looking beyond a L1 manager and going for L2 and Notts County’s manager, will there ever be interest in Evatt from a league above???
Would have presumed that Plymouth would have been a decent move for Evatt, given that they’ll know all about him from last season (final etc)
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 3, 2024 20:20:28 GMT
Can't understand this premature speculation. He's halfway through a career-establishing project with Wanderers, he's a shareholder at least, and he has earned the support of Bolton townsfolk. Why would he want to put his future om the line, no matter who may be sounding him out, as inevitably they will be? Though a very rugged defender in his day he has a vision of total football. which could see him rise up the divisions with Wanderers. Thereafter plenty of time to answer the calls of the "big six".
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Post by OohMac on Jan 3, 2024 20:56:20 GMT
Can't understand this premature speculation. He's halfway through a career-establishing project with Wanderers, he's a shareholder at least, and he has earned the support of Bolton townsfolk. Why would he want to put his future om the line, no matter who may be sounding him out, as inevitably they will be? Though a very rugged defender in his day he has a vision of total football. which could see him rise up the divisions with Wanderers. Thereafter plenty of time to answer the calls of the "big six". Think every manager wants to climb to the very top. Think as happy as Evatt is here if an ambitious club offered him a great budget, contract he would have to consider it. At some point £500k a season isn't going to cut it for the kitty. |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 3, 2024 22:23:48 GMT
Can't understand this premature speculation. He's halfway through a career-establishing project with Wanderers, he's a shareholder at least, and he has earned the support of Bolton townsfolk. Why would he want to put his future om the line, no matter who may be sounding him out, as inevitably they will be? Though a very rugged defender in his day he has a vision of total football. which could see him rise up the divisions with Wanderers. Thereafter plenty of time to answer the calls of the "big six". Think every manager wants to climb to the very top. Think as happy as Evatt is here if an ambitious club offered him a great budget, contract he would have to consider it. At some point £500k a season isn't going to cut it for the kitty. I’m not trying to shove him out the door ken, though there has been times when I’d wished he’d just bugger off I know he’s a shareholder and enjoying his managerial career with the Wanderers but other clubs won’t see it that way and if he begins to lose his talent (Dion Rico GT Toal) and other clubs come knocking, clubs that can offer him a healthy budget, perhaps a larger club😬 better facilities, etc etc, who knows what might turn his head, but for now I’m quite happy for him to stick around and get us out of this league |
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 4, 2024 10:14:02 GMT
You see none of those clubs mentioned are bigger than Wanderers and I include Birmingham in that who are perennial under performers. The grass isn’t always greener as we all know and here IE has total control, which isn’t true everywhere plus the owners trust him and he trusts them. That’s worth a lot more than just money. Yes of course Evatt’s ambitious but he’s set himself a goal here and to be fair he’s achieving it. I think it’s the next level up that will decide his fate because it takes serious money to progress from the Championship which FV currently don’t have so unless they sell out or gain a big investor he probably won’t be able to progress much further, although clubs like Luton and Burnley didn’t invest big to get up there. In the short term I don’t see him going anywhere but if we do fail to go up this year all that may change. In the meantime I’m happy with him here and want him to stay, as I believe do most fans.
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Post by one2many on Jan 4, 2024 10:19:08 GMT
The players are happy, the fans are happy and the manager (from what i can tell) is happy. It is only a few years ago that IE was managing a non league team and now is on the cusp of being in the second division. He will know where his bread is buttered and I think we as fans should be able to appreciate what a little stability has brought to the club after years of chaos on and off the pitch. There have been times where IE has frutstrated me with his stubborness, but I can see that he has improved many players and generally has a good eye for talent, especially in defensive positions. At the moment, IE and BWFC is a good marriage, similar to the heyday of Big Sam.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 4, 2024 12:32:44 GMT
Agree to all of the above, but the question still remains, how come there’s been absolutely no mention of his name in any circles when these job vacancies become available???
If he’s done that good of a job, it’s no different to Ryan Lowe, snapped up by Preston, Steven Schumacher, taken on full time by Plymouth then Stoke, Kieran McKenna at Ipswich, as well as all these foreign Carlos Kickaball’s that get jobs at a Sheff Wednesday, Watford and Cardiff, so why does he not get recognition or a mention
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 4, 2024 14:34:22 GMT
Rioch, I believe those that get a mention have already been approached by clubs or agents, and have consented to be interested. The fact that Evatt isn't mentioned means he could have been approached but not consented. If he had you would have seen his name mentioned, and he would probably already have joined another club. For that at the present time we should be very grateful imo. If he left at present can you think of anyone who might carry on the excellent job, granted not always perfect, he is doing?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 4, 2024 17:15:05 GMT
Rioch, I believe those that get a mention have already been approached by clubs or agents, and have consented to be interested. The fact that Evatt isn't mentioned means he could have been approached but not consented. If he had you would have seen his name mentioned, and he would probably already have joined another club. For that at the present time we should be very grateful imo. If he left at present can you think of anyone who might carry on the excellent job, granted not always perfect, he is doing? That’s the absolute perfect question Kenglo, who would you replace him with and be confident they’d do as good a job let alone better? I certainly can’t think of anyone id rather see here. We’re second in the league, highest scorers and if we win the game in hand top so who can better that? We all complain about certain things but that’s just what footy fans do isn’t it? I suspect you’re probably right about Evatt privately discouraging offers because I can’t believe that nobody has considered him given what he’s done here. As I said earlier, I just don’t worry about IE leaving unless a seriously big club comes in for him with an offer that even he couldn’t turn down. I just don’t see it so hopefully he’ll take us back to the Championship and then we’ll need to see what his budget is then. |
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Post by OohMac on Jan 4, 2024 20:00:24 GMT
You see none of those clubs mentioned are bigger than Wanderers and I include Birmingham in that who are perennial under performers. The grass isn’t always greener as we all know and here IE has total control, which isn’t true everywhere plus the owners trust him and he trusts them. That’s worth a lot more than just money. Yes of course Evatt’s ambitious but he’s set himself a goal here and to be fair he’s achieving it. I think it’s the next level up that will decide his fate because it takes serious money to progress from the Championship which FV currently don’t have so unless they sell out or gain a big investor he probably won’t be able to progress much further, although clubs like Luton and Burnley didn’t invest big to get up there. In the short term I don’t see him going anywhere but if we do fail to go up this year all that may change. In the meantime I’m happy with him here and want him to stay, as I believe do most fans. To be honest you may have made the argument of "Why leave Barrow?" He's got them in the league, fans love him, he's gone to a basket case club with no players. The new owners gave Keith Hill litte money and no time and they've brought in Tobias Phoenix to oversee it. At Barrow he was gaining a really good reputation. If he was successful in league football with Barrow maybe bigger jobs would be offered? I couldn't honestly blame any manager for taking any job that makes them better off. Think it would take a brilliant club but I know if FV accepted a bid for Santos of £2M that would really get his back up. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 5, 2024 9:41:09 GMT
Evatt’s a realist OM and accepts I think that his job is not just to manage the team but also circulate players to add revenue. Of course he’d be disappointed to lose Rico or any other player who could be regarded as key but that’s just the way it is and who’s to say he doesn’t get a cut of any fees? Obviously he’s ambitious though and I think this season, promotion is key so unless any offer is exceptional I don’t think either IE or FV will blink.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 21, 2024 18:18:13 GMT
Ian’s in good company isn’t he?
From the top 3 divisions
Klopp 2015
Guardiola 2016
Frank 2018
Moyes 2019
Arteta 2019
Robins 2017 Coventry
Evatt 2020
Weaver Harrogate 2009
Coleman AccyStan 2014
Question will be, if he fails, what should be his and the boards number one priority of promotion, should this relatively long tenure be over for him or does he get yet another season to try??
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 21, 2024 18:21:22 GMT
Ian’s in good company isn’t he? From the top 3 divisions Klopp 2015 Guardiola 2016 Frank 2018 Moyes 2019 Arteta 2019 Robins 2017 Coventry Evatt 2020 Weaver Harrogate 2009 Coleman AccyStan 2014 Question will be, if he fails, what should be his and the boards number one priority of promotion, should this relatively long tenure be over for him or does he get yet another season to try?? Sorry rioch, I know I’m a bit thick but I haven’t a clue of your thinking on this post. Maybe you could just explain a little more what’s behind it? |
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