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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 20, 2023 16:30:17 GMT
I have to say rioch that I completely agree with you although you can’t pick and choose games and it would have been different had it been Portsmouth or Oxford but then again I’m assuming it was us that actually requested the cancellation so maybe you can pick and choose? I think it’s pretty clear that N Ireland are well below International standard looking at the players they have but I suppose every game for your country is special if you’re selected. Wales are marginally better but given the form that Josh is in just now you’d have expected that he’d at least get a run out but at least it won’t tire him out and he hasn’t got injured so I suppose from a selfish point of view it’s good that he didn’t play and he’ll be well up for Exeter on Saturday. I haven’t heard how Gomez is getting on but the problem with him is the distances travelled and with the African Nations Cup coming up shortly we’ll miss him for a while in that? Reminds me of Cloughs famous quote on Trevor Francis (Mendez Gomez) “I don’t know about seeing the best of him, I haven’t seen any of him, let alone the best of him” And the same for me, I haven’t seen much of CMG to be fair so I’m hardly gonna miss him that much at the ANC
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 20, 2023 21:53:23 GMT
Anyone notice Englands ‘Bolton’esque’ performance tonight
75% possession and more sideways and backwards passing than Bolton Wanderers to give them a famous 1-1 draw
Versus North Macedonia (I don’t even know where Macedonia is😞)
“Bloody hell Rioch, we’ve qualified and we’re 6 points ahead of Italy” what more do you want? (A very poor Italy I hasten to add)
It’s very much like watching Evatt’s Bolton watching Southgate’s England. The stats are the same
I know we were just a penalty shootout away from a trophy but under a more forward approach, forward thinking and attacking England manager, I cannot help thinking we’d have mullered Italy in that final, just like Evatt versus Barnsley in the PO last season
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Post by OohMac on Nov 20, 2023 22:16:38 GMT
Always seen Southgate's England and Evatts Bolton as similar. There will be a small Southgate out section out there and fans questioning how can we be questioning him. Final, semi final, qualification without stress, Italy home and away. (Promotion, consolidation, playoffs and a cup)
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 20, 2023 22:32:18 GMT
Unlike Bolton's Southgate's formations lack players going round the outside of full backs. Good though Saka is for Arsenal, his leftfootedness on the right wing means he usually has to cut inside - and Grealish, previously a dribbling inside forward is now established as a left winger who has to cut inside on his right foot into massed defenders. These two facts inevitably play into the hands of Evatt's "low block" defences . In recent weeks Wanderers have more frequently used the speed of Williams, and, not so frequently these days, the same from Dacres- Cogley or Jones, which apart from speeding things up is helping to make more openings.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 21, 2023 15:12:15 GMT
We’ll I watched both the Malta and Macedonia games, 3 plus hours of my life wasted which I’ll never get back but to be fair to Southgate, I think he was trying to test out some new players given the finals coming up and against opposition that any England side should be expected to beat. I don’t actually blame the manager, other than leaving an obviously ineffective Grealish on for so long when he had Rashford warming the bench. The play was just so slow, every player who received the ball just stopped instead of moving it on quickly. Having said that the movement of the forward players was appalling and nobody was showing to receive the ball. The only half decent performance was from the new City kid Lewis, who at least looked to try to get things moving. The worst player on the pitch for me was Maguire, I swear he gets worse every time I see him and if we genuinely don’t have a better CH than him in England were in a bad way. In fact Rico would eat him for breakfast. Other than that how bad was that ref? We complain about those in L1 but this guy was different gravy, got almost everything wrong and I do wonder if he gave the pen because he knew he’d slipped up with the Maguire one earlier which was a stonewall penalty. Anyway England are through and I think we’ll see a completely different side in the finals so I’m not being too hard on the manager yet.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 4, 2023 22:52:04 GMT
Michael Duff Swansea - SACKED
Tony Mowbray Sunderland - SACKED
Paul Heckingbottom Sheff United - Soon to be SACKED
Vincent Company Burnley - Surely soon to be SACKED
Alex Neil Stoke - Got to be 1 game away from being SACKED
Rooney Brum City - Need I say more! I’ll give him 2 defeats and he’ll be SACKED
Rotherham looking for a new manager!!!!
Who’d be a manager eh Ian??
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 5, 2023 9:54:33 GMT
This just illustrates yet again how difficult managing in the Championship and PL is. All of these managers need to be given time to have an effect on the teams they’re putting together but owners just don’t seem to want to give them that time, or to make the relevant finances available to effect them. It also shows that as with IE, backing your manager brings success, which I’m sure IE will prove this season. The question I suppose is will any of those clubs come in for Evatt? It can’t be denied that he’s done an incredible job here and that job is being noticed and appreciated by many in the game so it wouldn’t surprise me. Would he turn a big job down to stay here and see things through or would he jump? If he jumped for a PL job could we blame him? I certainly wouldn’t and would wish him well. To be honest though, I’m not sure he would go. I think he’s a man of principle and accepts that the grass isn’t always greener elsewhere and he can achieve further success here if he stays loyal. I know things can turn and if we don’t make promotion the knives will be out for some but I’m confident that with the squad we’ve got we will make the automatics this year then we’ll see what happens off the field with investment to keep us there. I’m not as sure as you about some of those you name being for the chop just yet but in football results seem to be everything so you may well be right. 🥴
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 5, 2023 10:18:20 GMT
To be honest W63, much as I’m not one of his fans, the thought of losing the stability and progress he has made since he came here could possibly ruin everything.
Or would it?
I mean, when Plymouth lost Ryan Lowe to Preston, Schumacher carried on regardless and gained them promotion. Liam Mannings left Oxford but they appear to be in good hands, although the same cannot be said for Barnsley as much since Duff left, albeit their not a million miles off the play offs and of course it’s still early days.
Going back to Evatt, he’s had just as tough a time as Parkinson did when he was in charge and in similar ways Parkinson nearly fluffed our promotion back to the Championship just as Evatt did when we needlessly had to to scrape past Crawley a couple of years ago.
Evatt will be in demand from league teams above and I’ll be surprised if he’s not, I just wish he’d listen to the flock sometimes and do as we’re asking (extra firepower in January and rid us of deadwood) and also shut his Hill speak now and again.
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Post by whiteofthesouth on Dec 5, 2023 16:10:01 GMT
I’m a big fan of Evatt. I know he doesn’t always do what people on this forum want, but look where we’ve come from since he joined. I can’t believe many managers would have done better with the resources he’s had, especially the first year when we were in League Two with a squad he hadn’t recruited. I realise some people aren’t always enamoured with his transfers, but no team has a perfect record and, by and large, they’ve worked well. I remember during the summer people were saying ‘how will we replace Bradley & Trafford’ - but are we really missing them now, and we own the players in those slots. Personally, I think he’ll stay. He seems to have a great relationship with Sharon and he clearly believes he’ll be a Championship manager next season at which point he’ll increase his salary and have more resources in an environment he’s been very much involved in building. Also, I doubt any Premiership team would think he’s quite ready yet.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2023 7:32:58 GMT
Michael Duff Swansea - SACKED Tony Mowbray Sunderland - SACKED Paul Heckingbottom Sheff United - Soon to be SACKED Vincent Company Burnley - Surely soon to be SACKED Alex Neil Stoke - Got to be 1 game away from being SACKED Rooney Brum City - Need I say more! I’ll give him 2 defeats and he’ll be SACKED Rotherham looking for a new manager!!!! Who’d be a manager eh Ian?? Don't think Kompany is anywhere near that danger zone even before the 5-0 win. Mowbray doesn't surprise me, he's a steady Eddie, Blackburn fans were pretty much agreement that his time was up despite them finishing fairly high on a shoestring. Hes a great manager for a basket case club(may end up at Old Trafford) but after 12-18m of putting out fires fans seems to always want more than he can offer. Duff I'm not sure of. Never liked his style but if that's the reason for his dismissal someone hasn't done thier homework. Maybe he will be back at Barnsley or Rotherham not too far off.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 6, 2023 11:59:34 GMT
Not sure he’d be back at Barnsley OM but Rotherham’s a good shout as his style of direct football would suit them and is similar to Warne played previously. I also agree on Burnley, no change there expected. As for Evatt, I’m still not sure what more some people think he could have done with the resources we’ve got. I’m confident that he’ll get us promoted this year anyway so we’ll see then.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2023 14:02:03 GMT
On a scale of 1-10 in job security, Pep being 10 and 1 being Heckingbotham yesterday morning, when a press conference was announced with Wilder, but no confirmation that he'd actually gone yet. Then Evatts currently an 8.
How low did he ever get? Bet not really below a 4 though I would say in first season he was lucky there were no fans because performances were so poor. In his 2nd season after Stockport/Sarce we had some really bad runs and then cancelled a lot of games through covid. That moment, he was probably a 2 or 3.
Last season his low point was probably Oakwell. For us to limp out that way, but think that low point was only a 6.
This season has he dipped below a 7. Even the Wigan game came after 9 points, 9 goals in opening 3 games. Carlisle was bad but we had injuries. Reading was the low point I'd say.
What may cost Evatt a security point or two is him vouching to invest in Adeboyejo, who hasn't looked value.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 6, 2023 18:17:50 GMT
I’m not sure you can label Victor as a failure yet OM he's here to do a job and for me he’s doing it. Of course we’d like a few more goals but if we beat Pompey on Monday we’re top with a game in hand and with a better goal difference so maybe you’re being a bit hard. Let’s not forget that Super Kev didn’t score that many yet played a crucial role in the team which I feel he is doing. He’s playing his part for me and I have no complaints.
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Post by whiteofthesouth on Dec 7, 2023 21:47:06 GMT
“ What may cost Evatt a security point or two is him vouching to invest in Adeboyejo, who hasn't looked value.”
I find it odd that he’s not scoring lots of goals like he did at Burton, but I guess we’re asking him to do a different job. Sometimes it doesn’t look as if he’s doing it well - he’s not great at trapping the ball and not a hold-up type player - but, as a team, we’re scoring plenty, and not just Dion, but also midfielders and defenders. That leads me to think his role is, at least in part, is to tie up defences enough that other players get the chance to score. Whatever we’re going is working, but, I agree that the real test would come if, for any reason, Dion was out for a while.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 8, 2023 15:54:59 GMT
I’m not sure you can label Victor as a failure yet OM he's here to do a job and for me he’s doing it. Of course we’d like a few more goals but if we beat Pompey on Monday we’re top with a game in hand and with a better goal difference so maybe you’re being a bit hard. Let’s not forget that Super Kev didn’t score that many yet played a crucial role in the team which I feel he is doing. He’s playing his part for me and I have no complaints. Not a failure just not a success. So when you consider it to be a straight swap for Dapo we did get the raw end of the deal. He just doesn't have the basic skills. I can't think of anything he does that Bod doesn't do better. I think when he has a decent game, we go over the top with "his best game yet" obviously when he got his hat trick I thought maybe he's back but that was the exception to rule. If anyone came in for £450k for Vic. I.e. no loss/profit I'd snap thier hands off. Bump JDB to starter and look to bring in someone for next season. I also thought Evatts comments of not getting enough respect or praise from other trams as quintessentially Evatt. Can't resist. And when he said "not necessarily from our support" which comes across as barbed comment. "Not necessarily" implies saying it without committing to it. Though I concede, like Klopp he can spout all the rubbish he wants if he keeps winning. Don't have to like his personality.
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