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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 14, 2020 11:56:55 GMT
I can't really agree with moving Santos up to the Campo position, Whites, because his major failing is how slow he is on the turn defensively, and I believe he would need to be a lot faster in that respect in our midfield. After all the reason we are conceding so many on the break is our lack of midfield manoeuvrability. Like others on here I find it difficult to forecast the Cheltenham game, as there are so many hypotheticals, including what team will he put out, including who will play in the full/wing back positions, and whether the natural attacking talents of Sarcevic will be properly utilised. I am sick of seeing him used a la Derek Hennin. My thoughts on giving Santos a try there Kenglo is that he could add some strength and creativity there. He may be slow to turn as you say but in midfield he’ll have defenders behind him, which he didn’t in the centre of defence. I accept it’s a stop gap but other than perhaps Kioso, I can’t see anyone else strong enough to play there until Tutte returns. Playing Santos with Sarcevic and either Darcy, Thomason or Crawford alongside him might allow the other two to get forward more and feed Doyle and Fonz better. It may not work and he may not be mobile enough to play there but we need to do something while Tuttes injured.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 15, 2020 12:55:03 GMT
mentioned this in the preview post on this thread.... but yes it'll certainly be interesting to see how we deal with this. Santos can do fairly dominant at times in the air, but i always think a really dominant centre back shows it in BOTH boxes and we haven't seen Santos or Delaney do much with the attacking set pieces.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 15, 2020 13:22:17 GMT
bit more info : Boyle is 5th in the lge 2 rankings for aerials duels won 6.9 per game. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/Seasons/8306/Stages/18827/PlayerStatistics/England-League-Two-2020-2021our 1st player is Delaney in 18th with 5.4 per game. next is Kioso in 36th place. 4.5 per game... maybe not the best game for him to miss out on. Santos in 49th with 3.9 and Baptiste in 50th also with 3.9 . although it was only based on 1 game, our best player is actually Taft with 6.00 per game. just out of interest ..there was talk early on in the season of getting someone in on loan to provide some aerial presence up front. Doyle wins 0.70 aerial duels per game & Delf 1.90 www.whoscored.com/Teams/92/Show/England-Boltonthe best ranked striker in the list is James Vaughan of Tranmere. 4th in the rankings. wins 7.1 per game. scored 8 lge goals. I was going to say he'll be one to watch on sat'day... but then I noticed he'd been ruled out of their game today with an injury.. but then I found out there game tonight is postponed due to Covid.. www.wirralglobe.co.uk/sport/18943823.covid-outbreak-sees-tranmere-v-stevenage-postponed/not at the Tranmere end though, so that shouldn't affect our game on sat'day ..though it will mean they are fresher than us.
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Post by davidm on Dec 15, 2020 14:17:52 GMT
I am always the optimist in this group with regard to results but after Saturday, I am beginning to waver.
I took the Port Vale result to be a blip – like Villa 7 Liverpool 2 – but Saturday, particularly the second half, was so poor.
For the second match running, a side were physically stronger than us and bullied us into defeat. Yes, we should have had a foul prior to the first goal but Crawford was so weak in the challenge. It’s a man’s game for Gods sake. Every corner we conceded turned into mass panic in our area whereas our corners/free kicks are woeful and cause no danger.
Cheltenham have a reputation for physicality and their long throws, a la Rory Delap, have brought a few goals already this season. We must be prepared and win the hard battles.
With Kioso missing, I expect Jones to be back over onto the right with someone (Mascoll?) on the left. I would also like to see Isgrove on instead of Crawford and Sarcevic playing in his best role as an attacking midfielder.
I am worried about this one but we must be capable of a draw so 1-1.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 15, 2020 15:02:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 16:07:26 GMT
If off field tactics work then we are on a downer. Cheltenham manager Mike Duff saying that we are better than our league position. Haven't we heard that before?
Perhaps Evatt could stop this complacency on our part, 'cos I'm sure they think exactly that.
I'd love us to beat this lot tonight, but given the postings of rtf I can't see it.
So here's hoping for a good night's sleep for davidm and an end to the complacency.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 15, 2020 16:39:58 GMT
I think we're a bit like Arsenal at the minute. Novice manager who thinks they know the way the games to be played. Each have a short term success with Barrow and FA Cup win. So the assumption is that they will come good. But ive seen both teams and both just seem to want opponents to look at what we're trying to do and step aside so we can make our way back up the table. And it aint ever happening. Do both managers deserve more time? Yes, and probably the autonomy of at least one even two transfer windows.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 15, 2020 19:18:48 GMT
Pleased to see Greenidge in at LWB, think he’ll probably be more defensive and feed Isgrove rather than bomb forward but at least he’s a proper left footer and it leaves Jones free to return to RB where he’s best. Greenidge’s extra height might also be an advantage in both boxes too which is a bonus. Liking the look of this team and hoping we maybe can get something tonight after our last two awful performances.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 15, 2020 20:40:20 GMT
HT 0-0. 3 shots on target from cheltenham & 0 for us. very tempted but i decided on radio commentary not Ifollow. sounds like we have had some decent chances. Isgrove one was massive.
Isgrove hesitates..then can't even find Doyle. god knows what Jones is doing... running to bye line ?? if he'd held his ground, Isgrove could have tapped it back to him for a shot or to then find Doyle.
where the hell is Delf in any of that action ? is it him on far left. did he just assume Isgrove would just slot it in, 'cos when that 2nd phase then happens..we don't have enough numbers up. someone on the left...is just walking..slowly !
this is one for Andy L who referred to delf as lazy & moody in his match report last sat'day.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 15, 2020 20:48:27 GMT
HT 0-0. 3 shots on target from cheltenham & 0 for us. very tempted but i decided on radio commentary not Ifollow. sounds like we have had some decent chances. Isgrove one was massive. Isgrove hesitates..then can't even find Doyle. god knows what Jones is doing... running to bye line ?? if he'd held his ground, Isgrove could have tapped it back to him for a shot or to then find Doyle. where the hell is Delf in any of that action ? is it him on far left. did he just assume Isgrove would just slot it in, 'cos when that 2nd phase then happens..we don't have enough numbers up. someone on the left...is just walking..slowly ! Jones has been awful rtf and so has Greenidge. I think I’d take Greenidge off and put Darcy on and move Isgrove wide left. These are there for the takingbif we get it together.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 21:41:49 GMT
Yessssssssssss late winner stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by davidm on Dec 15, 2020 21:50:35 GMT
Well that was hard work. Hard work playing and hard work watching!
I never thought that we would see Rory Delap/Dave Challinor back on a pitch. It was “ale-house” football from Cheltenham. Obviously successful this season but horrendous.
It was a struggle. Our passing left a lot to be desired and keeping possession was difficult.
But we won so well done Wanderers.
Marks:-
Gilks - 7 Caught some really difficult high balls.
Greenidge - 5 Looked like a centre half playing left wing back
Jones - 5 A struggle. It was hard to think of much positive from him
Baptiste - 6 Solid
Santos - 7 Strong – a few poor passes but he held Cheltenham at bay
Delaney - 8 Also strong and there to score the important goal
Thomason - 6 Some good passes – needs to tighten up defensively but it will come
Sarcevic - 7 Positive – involved throughout
Isgrove - 6 Missed a great chance but involved
Delfouneso - 6 Shot over when he could have scored and missing for lots of the match
Doyle - 6 2 or 3 shots on target
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Post by andyl on Dec 15, 2020 21:56:38 GMT
There is really nothing like a last minute win for lifting the spirits. And that was a worthy one. It felt like one of those ten man victories where pressure was absorbed and the winner was deserved. We were steadfast in defence and the long throws played into our hands. in truth we are a lot better with Isgrove running about up front and would be better still if he were on the wing. Such a pity his one to one was foiled. Alongsid,e Doyle had one of his weaker games but ran manfully.
Although Greenidge looked a bit lost both he and Jones did very well defensively as did Sarcevic as this time did Thomasson whose passing marked him out.
Well done, Delaney. Right place. Right time. Limited possession but a good game plan. Gilks was again excellent when it mattered,
Gilks 8, Baptiste 7 Santos 8 Delaney 7 Jones 6 Sarcevic 7 Thomasson 7 Greenidge 6, Doyle 6, Isgrove 7 Delfouneso ( didn't ever see him, sorry, let's assume 2) Mascoll 3 good enough
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 15, 2020 21:57:02 GMT
How on earth did we win that? Not that we didn’t have chances but going forward, other than young Thomason and Sarcevic we were awful. Our passing is dreadful and the final ball in yet again totally lacking in composure. Jones awful, Isgrove awful, Greenidge awful, Maskell awful. To be fair we defended well aerially with Delaney and Santos never troubled and Gilks was superb tonight. In the end we had them just hoofing it in from anywhere, including from throw ins. I suppose though, when you can play as badly as we did tonight and still win, things can’t be too bad, so off we go again and let’s hope we don’t revert back to being pushed around again. We certainly won ugly tonight so at least IE should be happy with that.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 15, 2020 22:24:36 GMT
who's that BWFC fan in there celebrating the goal..lol.
surprise win. probably deserved a draw..but we'll take it. 1st win away from home against a top half side. only 2nd clean sheet away from home.
sounded a bit like the Salford game. didn't come across on the radio how many efforts on goals we'd actually had in that 2nd half. up to 56mins.. it was 4-0 in shots on target... to them
then it was all us from there 4-5 in the end. so in the end, you almost end up semi-deserving it. I was only saying earlier today how free scoring Exeter had 5 on target average compared to our usual 3.
pleased to see he involved more of the squad.
irony of ironies..we manage to win with a set piece, and they end up with 56% possession to our 44%. role reversal for the teams. I don't know why we can't break out from the trenches more and retain possession that way...mind you having a centre back as a left winger hardly helps.
glad I stayed away from this game from a betting point of view. just can't figure this team out. we need to find some midway system between expansive football that leaves us open & even sometimes creates few shots on target, to this kind of low possession , solid, gritty defensive stuff where we respect the opponent and keep things tight like this and the Salford game.
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