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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 12, 2020 22:32:06 GMT
tues 15/12. k.o 7.45pm after an unbeaten November, 2 games into December and lost both. and now the tougher matches start. but we've played generally better against the better sides excluding our first 3 games of the season . we seem to respect them more. play less expansive . keep it tight and we're always liable to nick one. a strategy we should be using more in the easier games. Cheltenham are in 2nd place. unbeaten in their last 5, ( 3 wins, 2 draws ..not all in that order ) . played 17 . won 10. drew 3. lost 4. in their most recent game ( sat'day 12th ) they went away to Salford and drew 0-0. but dominated the game by the sound of it. 5 shots on target to Salfords zero ! 15 shots to salfords 3 !! they've scored 29 goals. that's the 2nd best total in the Div.good defence too. 8 clean sheets is the joint best total in the Div. 4 at home. 4 away. we've got 5 clean sheets. 4 at home. just 1 away. a good team should be restricting opposition shots to a minimum. control the game. ALL THE TOP 5 SIDES AT DOING THAT ARE IN THE TOP 5 PLACES IN THE REAL LGE TABLE. namely cheltenham, carlisle, for green, newport & exeter. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/Seasons/8306/Stages/18827/TeamStatistics/England-League-Two-2020-2021(click defensive tab..then sort on shots ) Cheltenham 3rd best record in the Div for doing this. 8.8 on avg shots conceded per match. we concede on avg 12.1 . today we let Walsall have 14 shots at us. last wk Port Vale had 14 at us. like I said above, Cheltenham restricted Salford to just 3. previous game vs Exeter, they let them have just 6 shots. (they did score 3 but Exeter are top scorers in the Div. they still won 5-3 . ) www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/much-more-accurate-corner-cheltenham-4790182one of their main threats is the Ben Towzer throw. he models himself on Rory Delap. 3 goals for defender Boyle, direct from his throws. see vid at 1.56 . with quite a small ,tight ground, he can virtually throw them straight into the centre of the 6 yd box. assists are concentrated with this fella Towzer on 3, 3 also for Alfie May, and 4 for Chris Hussey. top scorer is Andy Williams with 6. 34 yr old. bit of a journeyman . no great pedigree. 3 for Alfie May. 3 for Sercombe & 3 from those throws for Boyle (defender) . WE HAVE SCORED IN 11 OF OUR LAST 12 LGE GAMES..just blanking in the Orient game. we've scored 21 lge goals now. : Doyle 8. Delf 4 Sarce 3. Kioso 2 Crawford 1 Jones 1 Isgrove 1 o.g 1 ( vs salford) 15 assists : Crawford 4 Delf 2 Baptiste 2. Jones 2 all these 5 have 1 each. Sarce, Kioso. Doyle, Greenidge, Gnahoua. prediction : tough one. could easily lose this one. but i'll go 1-1. they don't seem to have any real wow factor players . solid & confident outfit who can score but also keep the backdoor fairly well shut. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 13:40:48 GMT
This game will give me an idea of how far we are behind the leading teams and to see what we really need to get to the playoffs it's just like us to go and win this one I'll be watching with my fingers crossed that the streaming works for the whole game. I'm going for a 2-2 draw with Doyle getting them both stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 13, 2020 15:18:38 GMT
I’m afraid I’m rapidly losing faith in our lot so I’d be reluctant to make any kind of forecast for this one. Yet again yesterday we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against a less than average side. We should have been well ahead before they scored but once again, no cutting edge and a continued lack of composure anywhere around their box. Kioso yet again flatters to deceive with no end result from wayward or blocked crosses. Why we persist with Jones on the left, when it’s clear he will never get round a defender and cross until he’s stopped and come back on his right foot, I just don’t know. Delfouneso just disappears in games but continually ignores defenders and wanders into off side positions, yesterday costing us a second goal. Crawford has been abysmal for weeks, easily knocked off the ball, wayward passing and shooting and free kicks totally inept. When we concede, players seem to completely lose their heads. We are weak in the tackle, hardly ever winning 50/50 balls, slow to turn when attacked and too easy to get behind on both flanks. I’m no tactical expert but when these things happen constantly, surely it’s either a system, tactical or player problem and something a competent manager should be able to overcome. I know Evatt wants free flowing attacking football, as do we all but surely it’s necessary to have players who can deliver that and we just don’t at the moment. Until we do, I suggest we should concentrate on at least getting the defence right, which means abandoning 3 at the back which is clearly not working, switch to a proper back four and as you’ve said before rtf, try Santos in midfield in the Campo role. Most importantly we have to toughen up all round and let our opponents know they’ve been in a game for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 16:20:34 GMT
Whites, the two goals scored were pathetic at best. How was the player allowed to get a cross in when he was all but cornered? And who was marking who in the box. The second goal, you've probably seen it... renders me speechless (that's a first lol).
Evatt has already said that he will continue in the same vein regarding setup, so he falls inline now with all the other managers/coaches who've been allowed near the club since BSA left. BSA for all his faults always had a plan B, even during a game. And also with converting players from one position to another. e.g. Pederson and BiBi.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 13, 2020 16:36:29 GMT
Well we will need to be "at the races" when we play Cheltenham.
I'm getting fed up of the naivety of Evatt. I want to play this nice way and wont budge. We're great in training. Those other teams are playing bully boy football.
Ive never really been as ashamed by managers comments like that. I dont want to keep going back to a broken record but if Allardyce heard his opposition manager come out with that he'd know the game was won before kick off. See Arsene Wenger.
I dont think theres a manager with worse "game management" than Evatt. Even with 5 subs he seems impossible to change a game for the better.
I'm pretty sure any one who came in as a replacement would find Evatts little book of notes, chuck it away on page 1 and organise a 4 man defence. Find the best crosser of the ball for set pieces and find a way to get the ball to Doyle in the box.
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 13, 2020 16:42:09 GMT
I can't really agree with moving Santos up to the Campo position, Whites, because his major failing is how slow he is on the turn defensively, and I believe he would need to be a lot faster in that respect in our midfield. After all the reason we are conceding so many on the break is our lack of midfield manoeuvrability. Like others on here I find it difficult to forecast the Cheltenham game, as there are so many hypotheticals, including what team will he put out, including who will play in the full/wing back positions, and whether the natural attacking talents of Sarcevic will be properly utilised. I am sick of seeing him used a la Derek Hennin.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 13, 2020 16:53:38 GMT
exactly Whites, various issues to deal with that he just keep dithering with, and kicking the can down the line..just like he did with the Crellin decision.
1. switch to 433
2. sort the wing back issue as they're not giving us much defensively or offensively
3. no Tutte... sort the defensive midfield issue.... links back to point 1. if 1 person can't do the job, change system, and get 2 to do it...White and Thomason alongside Sarce in a midfield 3.
i'd also wonder about Kioso in centre m/f. he's got good energy and is physical enough. not the best passer..but just aim to win it and play it simple to Sarce or Thomason.
get Jones back to his preferred right back slot. and Baptiste played left back for us in his last stint with us. or you could try Mascoll/ Gordon & see if they suit full back roles rather than wing backs.
4. drop Crawford and play Darcy. it's not a life sentence for gods sake.... if he loves Crawford so much..see it as a positive.... games get stretched in that last 30 mins.
play Darcy for 60mins. soften them up. then bring Crawford on..who's not the most physical , to come on fresh & do his best work against tiring opponents. with 5 subs, you can plan your subs... you can tell Darcy to go out
full gas..leave it all out on the pitch.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 13, 2020 17:08:04 GMT
Whites, the two goals scored were pathetic at best. How was the player allowed to get a cross in when he was all but cornered? And who was marking who in the box. The second goal, you've probably seen it... renders me speechless (that's a first lol). Evatt has already said that he will continue in the same vein regarding setup, so he falls inline now with all the other managers/coaches who've been allowed near the club since BSA left. BSA for all his faults always had a plan B, even during a game. And also with converting players from one position to another. e.g. Pederson and BiBi. how did the bets go Wots...did you include Walsall in your ACCA ? you got the result correct- defeat, if not the actual score 2-1, not 3-1. think I might stay away from this next game. if I do get involved, it might be Cheltenham or draw . maybe wait for team news. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 17:48:54 GMT
Things haven't been going my way recently RTF, unfortunately. I used a system with one team as a banker. What a let down e.g. Fulham beating Leicester in Leicester. ycmiu Same Fulham team presently leading L'pool in the second half 1-0. I have nothing on the game thankfully. Yesterday, I went against my own advice and used BWFC in two bets and you know the result. I also had Torquay and Hull City, both top in their divisions. Why me I ask? I'm down about 60%, but I suppose I could have chucked more watching it on ifollow. The pain is probably more intense... At least youtube has highlights. Do you know that you can watch a live game on bet365 if you have a deposit? You don't get the choice of game. Did you bet double chance on the game? I'll have a bet on this game on it's own, using your stats too. That way I have someone to blame...  |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 13, 2020 18:50:48 GMT
Ouch !
No, I stayed clear of Walsall. seem to have lost my bottle. after the hard won recent gains. reluctant to lose them .
quite pleased with that last preview post. I did say they had a few confident individuals, and said Adebayo was a threat. and Holden had had 4 shots on target last time out.
he'd obviously had a few sighters and found his range.
for this next one..as much as we've got our issues, Doyle is in hot form & can always nick one, and Cheltenham just lacks the individuals to assess if they're hot or not.
just a bit wary of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 21:02:22 GMT
I've thought about our attacking options often rtf. As a few on here have pointed out, whites in particular, we are lacking in that respect. How effective our attack if Doyle is injured, or even just man marked out of the game.
I'm not as confident as you on this one and I'll go again for a loss. Not backing them this time, 'cos I don't think we have bouncebackability (yes, all one word). I fell for it the last time.
These guys aren't in the top two for nothing and scoring 29 goals spread over more than our lot shows they're effective in the final third.
I think I'll start to post my accy's on the forum, just out of interest. Sportinglife do it on their site and it's something else to read.
I'll keep you posted ('scuse the pun)
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 13, 2020 23:28:38 GMT
I've thought about our attacking options often rtf. As a few on here have pointed out, whites in particular, we are lacking in that respect. How effective our attack if Doyle is injured, or even just man marked out of the game. I'm not as confident as you on this one and I'll go again for a loss. Not backing them this time, 'cos I don't think we have bouncebackability (yes, all one word). I fell for it the last time. These guys aren't in the top two for nothing and scoring 29 goals spread over more than our lot shows they're effective in the final third. I think I'll start to post my accy's on the forum, just out of interest. Sportinglife do it on their site and it's something else to read.I'll keep you posted ('scuse the pun) good idea. and it also gives Whites enough notice to get the greenhouse ready . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 23:48:08 GMT
Thanks for the laugh rtf. I've had a torrid day, but I'll post it on the other side tomorrow.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 14, 2020 10:51:56 GMT
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18942027.cheltenham-town-v-bolton-wanderers-ian-evatt-gives-injury-update-key-wing-back/Kioso out injured. but Isgrove is available ,after testing negative. just as well given that Gnahoua is also out. it'll be interesting to see how that works out..Isgrove direct for Kioso...giving Crawford another reprieve. or get Jones back onto right side. maybe stick Isgrove left side...I think from youtube vids of him at Southampton that he can play both wings. or will Hickman be brought in from the cold ?? here's that Soton vid...with no commentary, not always 100% clear which is Isgrove as there's often a couple of blonde lads, but even the vid description say he plays both wings.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 14, 2020 11:46:51 GMT
one extra little stat/fact I just noticed :
we haven't beat any side CURRENTLY in the top half AWAY from home.
played 4. lost 3. drew 1. those being Orient, Colchester & walsall. the draw was Cambridge.
away from home against bottom half sides ( currently in bottom half ) . a lot better. played 4 . 3 wins 1 draw.
namely. harrogate, stevenage, sc'unthorpe ..and the draw at Barrow.
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