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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 18, 2020 22:24:36 GMT
couple of points about Santos. he gave the ball away for the 1st goal. the short highlights manage to edit that out. at 0.28 Brocky makes a half decent effort to stop the cross. it sneaks under him. but Santos does have a bit more time to react at the front post..but does nothing. am i being too harsh, i don't know ? he's actually in a decent position to be fair.
freeze it at 1.06. Mcaleny about to cross it. Santos with his man on edge of box. by 1.08 Oldham attacker has nipped past him. but can't keep shot down. Santos is just so slow and lumbering in these situations. it's not just physically slow. Bobby Moore is often cited as being slow, but a great reader of the game. you've either got it or you haven't, and this type of defending will never improve with him. several of us have said on here from very early on..game 1 or 2... he's got his qualities, and would be much more suited to the Campo role. either that or play him as the spare man.. let him sweep..let the other 2 mark up. look at the positions at 1.06. the ball is over this side of the field. the middle centre back should be at least on this half of the pitch. let Delaney come over more, and pick up.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 19, 2020 7:48:31 GMT
Completely agree with you about Santos rtf. He’s got great qualities when not exposed at the back and no little skill going forward. He can also pick a pass so like you I’d definitely play him in the Campo role, taking the ball off defence and starting our moves forward, something Comley is so woefully unable to do. I’d try this tomorrow, leave Comley out and also replace Sarcevic with Tutte. Play Darcy up front instead of Delfouneso and he can provide more opportunities for Doyle than both he and Sarcevic ever do. Sadly, however poor Sarcevic is, I don’t believe Evatt can see it, or at least Doesn’t want to see it and will not drop him. Both Comley and Sarcevic have things to offer but for whatever reason they aren’t showing it on match days and must be rested until they either return to form, or adapt their play to suit the system. Whilst he’s at it, Sarcevic should find a good diet because if he’s properly fit I’m a chinaman.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 19, 2020 8:02:20 GMT
I thought Santos got away with it. He was woeful 1st half. Gave the ball away in really dangerous areas and we rode our luck.
Going back to TP whites, its not that i'm defending him. Well i guess i am in the following points.
He got Darcy done. He signed Crawford. He got two players from last seasons team of the year and he went and got a really well thought of manager.
At the time all those things we're considered positives. Of the signings themselves its a mixed bag but we've seen good games from Crellin, Santos, White, Kioso, Hikman, Jones, Delfouenso. We've not seen it but think its there from Doyle, Sarcevic and we've not seen it and are unsure about Mascoll, Gordon, Comley.
We also have Isgrove, Miller, Ghanoua that we dont know about as yet.
However bad it is i still think if half the team plays as well as they can we should be winning games.
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Post by kenglowhite on Oct 19, 2020 9:52:00 GMT
While I take your point about the apparent positives, Oohm, I read two apparent cris de coeur from Ian Evatt in the BN that seem to be saying "what have you lumbered me with?" in the same way that Keith Hill made his outburst at Rochdale a year ago after seemingly learning of the appointment of Tobias I am equally unhappy about FV's silence on the apparent relief of duties for Lee, Kelly, Spooner, McCann, Darby and Uncle Tom Cobley. Do you not think that we, the staunch supporters, are worthy of an explanation? it is also strange that none of them has spoken about their apparent fate to the media, maybe a condition of the terms of their removal.
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Post by andyl on Oct 19, 2020 11:54:45 GMT
There are some excellent statistical and frame by frame and other analyses and perspectives in this thread. My take two days after immediate anger and settling depression took root is three fold
1. We have assembled a scratch side, post lockdown and a two part season and are at a competitive disadvantage in every game because of this- teamwork is not immediate-- usually new signings graft on to existing cultures and established players 2. The players are not remotely fit enough for what is being asked of them 3. Our manager , despite success with Barrow, is 'one for the future' and learning on the job. His errors before, during and now after matches are becoming manifest
However This does not necessarily negate the strategy or the recruitment policy. Personally I like the prospect of passing football and possession advantage. Almost all the players seem to have the requisite skill levels for this type of close control game and all have offered glimpses of what they can do. If they got a win or two, became more confident and if the manager puts everything to good use and learns how to gt the best of them we could yet have a strong finish, especially if somehow our main competitive advantage of stadium and fans get to play their part.
In more detail we have seen: Crellin make good saves; Santos's rocklike strength and impressive forward running; Delaney's dependency, Brockbank's mobility, Mascoll's close control, Comley's passing accuracy, Gordon's quick turn of speed; the speed of Greenidge going forward and his aerial threat; Hickman's capacity to fashion deep crosses, Kioso's speed on the chase and overlap, Crawford's capacity to thread a pass between defenders, Delfouneso's close control back to goal and when in possession, a predatory Doyle at Harrogate, a Miller goal, neat Isgrove and Amoateng cameos, some Taft tackles and more besides.
To all of this is a negative to each and every player of course and we have seen horrendous schoolboy errors. We have also seen reluctance to try Alexander, Darcy, now Riley and some others-- that needs to change. It's not a disaster if we don't get promotion this year if momentum builds and the financial base is secure.
We can grit our teeth and move on to Barrow. I just hope Evatt learns and the team develops and gets fitter. We have seen most recent managers decline after reasonable starts- the reverse trajectory would be welcome.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 19, 2020 12:12:21 GMT
I thought Santos got away with it. He was woeful 1st half. Gave the ball away in really dangerous areas and we rode our luck. Going back to TP whites, its not that i'm defending him. Well i guess i am in the following points. He got Darcy done. He signed Crawford. He got two players from last seasons team of the year and he went and got a really well thought of manager. At the time all those things we're considered positives. Of the signings themselves its a mixed bag but we've seen good games from Crellin, Santos, White, Kioso, Hikman, Jones, Delfouenso. We've not seen it but think its there from Doyle, Sarcevic and we've not seen it and are unsure about Mascoll, Gordon, Comley. We also have Isgrove, Miller, Ghanoua that we dont know about as yet. However bad it is i still think if half the team plays as well as they can we should be winning games. I think part of the problem with TP and with FV to be fair, is that we don’t really know just how much say in things TP does have. We don’t know whether his picks were suggestions to IE or instructions. I’m sure some of the players will have been jointly agreed, like Sarcevic and Doyle but what about the others? IE seems to be taking the flack for failing players that he might not have personally chosen. Who has the final say? We just don’t know and IE may actually be being very loyal by not blaming TP for some of his signings. What we do know is that anybody would have struggled to recruit good players in L2, with no transfer or loan fees available and a low salary cap, so whoever our manager or HoF was, they’d have had the same problems. My problem with TP in the absence of knowledge of exactly how much say he has, is that everything appears to have been done using algorithms and statistics rather than the more traditional methods of recruitment. Maybe this is why the players attitudes seem to be as much in question as their ability. I fully agree with you that the squad generally looks more than good enough to compete and we do have players with proven quality so why they are performing so badly is a mystery. Hopefully IE will unravel that mystery quickly starting with tomorrow night. Sometimes a rant acts as a relief valve and maybe now it’s out both the players and IE can work together to sort whatever the problem is. Time now for cool heads and if the likes of Crawford, Doyle and Sarcevic accept on behalf of the players their woeful performance and IE accepts their desire to put it right we will be ok.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 19, 2020 14:33:16 GMT
Crawford here..what makes me chuckle...is that he not only turns down the first 2 opportunities to pass it early... even his final backpass is wayward..was it aimed for Santos or the keeper ??
similar hesitation from Comley. Managers can play a role in this lack of confidence too. if players are so low, you drop those 1 or 2. most will be fixable. a lot of the time Fergie rants & hairdryers were when players had been doing well, got complacent and he's bringing them down a peg or 2. i've heard players say he really surprised them ..when they expected a huge rant...maybe as they'd played bad, he would be incredibly perceptive, and know when he had to lift them up. always think Harry Redknapp was good at this..relaxing them.. let them express themselves. get them laughing..smile a bit. you can be too serious. look at BSA doing the dance with Jay jay. big pressure game..threat of relegation that day. BSA relaxing the lads by saying ..you win this one and i'll dance for you !!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 19, 2020 14:52:45 GMT
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Post by andyl on Oct 19, 2020 16:20:37 GMT
The bwfc analysis source rtf quotes from is exceptionally insightful bwfcanalysis.wordpress.com/2020/10/14/eoin-doyle-analysis/Is a very good piece of analysis on Eoin Doyle contrasting his fortunes for Swindon against the few opportunities he has fashioned for us. I think it has been obvious for a while that Delfouneso and Doyle don't really work together, although general comments about unfamiliarity and fitness undoubtedly apply. Both keeping drifting deep or wide because of midfield deficiencies and this illustrates a point I have offered about the futility of playing two upfront unless the midfield is packed with runners and the same applies to one upfront. Doyle's pass accuracy and hold up play on Saturday was fifty shades of dreadful. Playing as he is he's the first name on the bench tomorrow.. But he is playing as he is because no-one in midfield or on the flanks is carrying the ball forward at speed nor are they fit enough to run into space and stretch the opposition and this is never more marked than when we have turnover possession. The one Doyle chance on Sat came after a long ball and a Sarcevic run a brainy back header. He should have done better although first time it wasn't his worst. Delfouneso is an enigma. He tends to freeze in possession and not do the obvious but he has contrived more chances to score than Doyle perhaps because he can run forward and has quite good close control. Both are poor in the air back to goal as indeed were Oldham who will shop lots of goals. We need greater physicality-- Kioso proved that winning several challenges---it crossed my mind to wonder if he could play upfront- he has speed. I just don't think Delfouneso and Doyle should start together at the moment? What also lacks is a willingness from anyone to shoot. Gnahoua was the first to show any such intent.. BWFC have had many players with good shots - too many to mention- some were natural strikers eg Klasnic others crafty opportunists eg McGinley, Walker, Worthington and SKD in space was formidable as was Henrik is often time partner. Anelka was as good as anyone we've seen at cutting in and crashing shots ( eg v Arsenal) . These were heady times. You could all name others. More recently if rarely seen Stephen Dobbie could crack an unstoppable shot and of course Alf was superbly accurate if through as was Daryl Murphy. But we have also had full backs and defenders who could crack fierce shots eg Alan Stubbs v Villa, Gudni more than once, Ricki Gardner and more recently Olkowski and Lawrie Wilson. What I miss more than anything is the frisson we all felt when Richard Sneekes got the ball. You just knew he was winding up for a shot. In my teens the more defensively minded Gareth Williams would belt them from midfield. Okocha could, Frandsen did, McAteer could and Stuart Holden won us that game v Blackburn. Even the lesser lights of Tamir Cohen could crack shots in. My point here really is that if we don't have players wiling to chance their arm and shoot we'll never score but also we'll never excite! rtf, I think, made the point that if you shoot a keeper can fumble. Some of us were at Wimbledon two or three years ago to see Madine scuff a shot which the keeper allowed under and we bounced back to win. Doyle to be fair does look to shoot overly much. Delfouneso will shoot almost apologetically if he finds himself through. Jones had a left footed go a coouple of games ago. Can anyone remember any other shots? m,aybe some half hearted wide ones from Crawford, all telegraphed or deadball but I'm thinking of a full blooded, thunderous, wallop that wakes every one up. I just fear that Evatt has got so much emphasis on backward passing and slow build up that we have lost the necessary directness to have a go.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 19, 2020 17:07:11 GMT
Sarcevic has definitely got a decent strike on him. that's why i'd like to see him further upfield. I know that bwfc analysis guy has argued he suits the deeper role more- based on previous clubs. but we've seen little of that so far . his build hardly seems suited being mobile around the pitch box to box, although appearances can be deceptive, but his stocky build means his shots don't half pack a punch ! www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/Seasons/7842/Stages/17631/PlayerStatistics/England-League-Two-2019-2020according to the stats from last season..Sarce had 75 shots. ( 50 from open play.) even Doyle only had 89. the top guy had 143.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 19, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
I think we must have got an imposter rtf because that’s not the same Sarcevic we’ve signed!!
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Post by davidm on Oct 19, 2020 18:26:53 GMT
It also makes you wonder why Crawford is taking every free kick if Sarcevic can hit them like that
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Post by andyl on Oct 19, 2020 18:31:37 GMT
Well, we surely know who will take spot kicks. I think he's the epitomy of the scratch team player with too little pre-season and diminishing confidence. I thought he did quite well in an awful second half but poorly in the first on Saturday. He is going to thrive if others around do the hard graft and he can latch on to second balls. I'd prefer him in a five man midfield( 4-5-1) or a 4-4-2. I think he will come good and from what I think I've seen so far believe he's our best player. We glimpsed it with the run and back header. He's certainly the best passer on the counter attack despite the hype around Crawford. He might just thrive if Crawford is benched? All to be discovered. He's also a better tackler than most.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 19, 2020 21:19:00 GMT
Think Sarcevic has enjoyed his lockdown too much. Looks a lot lighter in those clips.
I would like to see Sarcevic and Doyle given a go as a 9 and 10. I dont think Delfouenso has been our worst player but for me hes in that no mans land of being not a forward, a winger or midfielder.
Plus i think the message needs to be that no one is undroppable. And if Doyle isnt doing it then he can come on and replace him.
D&D must look at the bench we have and think "we're not getting subbed today".
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