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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 17, 2020 16:50:00 GMT
"I cannot bear the thought of Evatt commenting on that."
haha Andy... yes i forgot to put my usual line in about that too. another game dominated ....
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Post by davidm on Oct 17, 2020 17:04:12 GMT
He has been quite scathing of his players in his after match comments.
Accurate comments but in danger of losing the players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 17:10:34 GMT
And please get rid of that awful tinny superimposed crowd noise! It was horrible. Did they play any 'booing' at the end of the game david. So glad I saved my money on that game. Highlights probably less than 20 secs... I'm getting so fed up with football in general, maybe the players are too.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 17, 2020 17:14:47 GMT
He has been quite scathing of his players in his after match comments. Accurate comments but in danger of losing the players. Like a man who eats a meal, leaves an empty plate, even licks it dry and then complain about the poor standard. You Ian, you and only you watched that game and was able to try and change it. I wonder if Ifollow ever advances whether you'd be able to make substituion request and i wonder how many people would have had Darcy for Sarcevic and Tutte or Riley for Comley. And i wonder how early that call would have been?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 17, 2020 19:16:06 GMT
He has been quite scathing of his players in his after match comments. Accurate comments but in danger of losing the players. Like a man who eats a meal, leaves an empty plate, even licks it dry and then complain about the poor standard. You Ian, you and only you watched that game and was able to try and change it. I wonder if Ifollow ever advances whether you'd be able to make substituion request and i wonder how many people would have had Darcy for Sarcevic and Tutte or Riley for Comley. And i wonder how early that call would have been? agreed, and magnify that 1000000000% for the next game after his comments today. was disappointed Riley wasn't even on the bench. you keep thinking to yourself.. surely most ( not all) of the players are better than this. so if any aren't putting it in, you'll just teach one or two a lesson by picking younger players who have stepped up to the plate. but then he shoots himself in the foot again. no Riley. NO minutes for Darcy. even Hickman, one of the better signings . 3 accurate crosses last wk. Mascoll last wk 1 accurate cross. this week Kioso's stats 4 crosses 1 accurate. Gordon. 0 crosses full stop ! so we manage to get just 1 quarter of last weeks apparently awful crossing stats. can't really go much lower can it. it's the lack of shots that bothers me. stop being so precise..just smack one from the edge of the box... if they go to close you down..then knock it wide and cross it, or play a one-two. if you do get your shot in..... I) it might get deflected by opponent or one of ours and go in. ii) it might get deflected and go for a corner iii) keeper might fluff it and striker poaches it in Iv) keeper might be having a bad day , and let it in..you don't know if you don't shoot. v) it might actually hit a hand and you get a penalty. little chance of one of those at the mo. www.espn.co.uk/football/player/stats/_/id/22774/cristiano-ronaldojust look at C Ronaldo's typical stats for a season. 19/20. shots 208. shots on target 80. 31 league goals. doesn't matter about the level. it's about buying enough tickets. 128 of his shots went wide. he doesn't care. he'll understand the typical ratio's...50% might go on target, and approx 50% of those will be a goal. 33 games played. 6 shots per game. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/8228/Stages/18685/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021Salah is the same... averaging 5 shots per game. scored 6 goals..including another today. Kane just a touch behind 4.8 per game. Messi is exactly the same. there's a perception that he's really accurate and that he isn't greedy. only partially true.. he buys an awful lot of tickets..and shoots on sight... 150-200 shots every season. www.espn.co.uk/football/player/stats/_/id/45843/lionel-messiand to prove it's possible..Mcaleny had 8 shots today. amazingly 0 on target. but he did hit the post. and i'm sure at least 1 other whistled only narrowly wide. (big chance) Mcaleny is on 8 goals this season. 5 in the league
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 17, 2020 21:57:01 GMT
just a quick update on these regulars. : goals scored 3. joint bottom in rankings with scun'thorpe. the best have 15. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/Seasons/8306/Stages/18827/TeamStatistics/England-League-Two-2020-2021shots per game ( avg) . 9.5 we're in 18th. worst have 5.8 southend. best have 17+ FGR and carlisle. shots on target per game.. we're in 21st place fractionally above the bottom. we have 2.3 : 3 teams all joint bottom have 2.2. the best have 5.3 shots conceded . 15. we're 4th bottom here too. we conceded 17 today ! . FGR are best conceding just 7 per game. in their game today they only conceded 2 shots, 1 on target, and unsuprisingly got a clean sheet and a win. goals conceded. approx midtable conceded 8. best have conceded just 2. worst = 14 for oldham. several others on 13. the best 3 sides at limiting opponents shots are fgr/ cheltenham and carlisle. all give away 8 shots or less per game. they are all in the top 5 of the real lge 2 table. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-two/tablethe next best 2 team for shots conceded are newport and harrogate. they are also in the top 7 of the real lge 2 table. just proving it's not just lack of goals for us....we aren't defending great either.
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Post by bonaparte on Oct 18, 2020 9:04:20 GMT
Just read this comment from the manager on BNews.
“That wasn’t a team of mine out there. We don’t set them up like that, we don’t ask them to play like that, it was gutless. And it’s really hurt me to see that.”
So whose team is it?
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Post by OohMac on Oct 18, 2020 11:47:52 GMT
I think if you watch Evatts interviews rather than read you do get the sense of a man frustrated. What can you do if Comley trains well. If his stats come back that he puts more miles in, is more accurate and creates more. Can he really say, youve done well all week but i'm going for someone else? I think it will have to be yes. If you freeze the play when Comley has the ball, he really makes some terrible unforced errors. Assume these dont happen in training.
Again hes 2 months into a 36 month contract. Hes not getting sacked. If he goes it will his decision. Just hope he can forget about a style he wants for now and find a way to win and win well.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 18, 2020 11:47:57 GMT
0.45 we were exceptional in training . deary me,. there's only so many times you can keep repeating the same process. talk about madness is doing the same things and expecting different results. could it be that the strikers look good in training, 'cos they are only playing against our defence...or VICE VERSA. players who have played well in real matches...Riley.. don't even make the bench. Darcy may have regressed as much as you say he has, but he's had 0 minutes in the lge to show anything, yet he's quite happy to give others who have let him down chance after chance.
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Post by Alptrotter on Oct 18, 2020 12:21:42 GMT
Like most on here I suffered another desperate disappointment yesterday and I also am beginning to wonder if Evatt is simply out of his depth. I’d just offer a couple of observations after watching all our games so far. While the three man back line has generally shored things up at the back, it makes us far too ponderous in moving the ball forward quickly. Why bother to try to move quickly when it’s so easy to pass across or back and rack up another completed pass? Equally when a team presses us hard (as Oldham did occasionally) a dreadful pass inevitably ensues ,or the ball is simply hoofed away to our opponents. My conclusion? Scrap the back three. Go to a flat four. 2. Our forward players simply cannot take and protect the ball withtheir back to goal. They haven’t got the physique, the courage or the skill to do that. So we should forget lumping it up and expecting them to retain possession. We have to get 2 wide midfielders as outlets who can use their speed to turn defences and get our skilful, but lightweight forwrds running onto balls and having the advantage. Crawford has ( rightly) come in for some stick, but his playmaker role with such static teammates is an unenviable one. I had imagined Sarcevic would have played that role, but wisely, he’s not stepped up.
So, I think Evatt should go to 4-4-2 , with proper full backs ( albeit attacking when appropriate) I’m sick of our so called wingbacks and their defensive ineptitude. For the first goal, Gordon was once again ambling back, leaving a tap in from exactly the position he should have been occupying. The second showed that Mascoll can’t tackle for toffee. Two enterprising and energetic wide men, a ball winning powerhouse in centre mid and a more creative, but not soft, type and an experienced keeper would do it. Pity that clown from Macclesfield was in charge of recruitment in summer.
HAVing just listened to Evatt, it’s the best thing I’ve heard from him. Let’s see if he delivers the much needed changes ( which he also accepts are necessary) on Tuesday.
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Post by kenglowhite on Oct 18, 2020 15:43:00 GMT
I was disappointed that nobody followed up my Macc-Mafia thread, because increasingly I feel that Phoenix and Evatt have signed a job-lot of no-good players from Agent "X" and we have to play them as part of the deal.....maybe we got some concessions in the signing of Doyle and, a big maybe, Sarcevic. There has to be some reason why Riley, Darcy and Alexander are being ignored. They may try to say Riley is too young, but Birmingham sold on a 17-years-odl to a German club for more than £20M and that is a good reason why you should ignore a good player's age these days. As far as the Oldham game is concerned we were not at the races from start to finish, and the last minute goal was around the fourth we have conceded from breakaways already this season. I also wonder where where all the old backroom staff have gone to, including Tony Kelly, David Lee, and Julien Darby. Have they all been furloughed off like dear old Andy Dean to make way for this job lot of second rate players?
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 18, 2020 16:13:22 GMT
Having had time to calm down now I can take a more observational view of yesterday. In truth I am not in the least surprised by the result and in fact when doing my pre game post was actually considering forecasting a 0-2 score line but especially after the Grimsby fiasco, couldn’t see the players letting us down like that again. How wrong was I? It must be becoming more and more obvious to IE that he’s been sold a pig in a poke with many of these players. Our midfield is dire with the exclusion of Crawford who for me is just too good for the likes of Sarcevic and Comley alongside him and Delfouneso and Doyle in front who just don’t read his passes. I actually don’t think there’s much wrong with our set up, just some of the players in it as I’ve just outlined. I certainly wouldn’t upset the Brocky, Santos, Delaney trio because they now look solid. Kioso looks a good signing but I wonder is he wasted out right and could he be more useful in the centre aka the missing Politic with Hickman resuming the wide role. Definitely for me both Comley and Sarcevic need dropping, both failing constantly and just slowing everything down. I’d let Santos get slightly more forward to account for Comley and sit Darcy next to Crawford to feed balls through to Doyle. I think if supported properly with players running into the box, one up top will work better.
I do feel sorry for Evatt in some ways because most of the players brought in are poor standard and whatever he does with them it won’t make them better. I don’t think he should change his general approach because a pass and move game is where we need to be but we just can’t continue to accommodate this slowly slowly build up from the back every time. When it comes out from Crellin we need to be looking to get the ball forward as quickly as possible and not this Sideways and back nonsense that is slowing everything down and preventing any momentum being built. Comley is the most culpable for this, his body shape when he receives a pass always turning back so no wonder his suicide sideways passes give the ball away so often. There’s no way Evatt is going anywhere and nor should he but for his own benefit as well as ours, he has to ditch the under performers letting him down every game and turn to those like Darcy, Riley and Senior who must be desperate to impress him.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 18, 2020 17:36:26 GMT
I was disappointed that nobody followed up my Macc-Mafia thread, because increasingly I feel that Phoenix and Evatt have signed a job-lot of no-good players from Agent "X" and we have to play them as part of the deal.....maybe we got some concessions in the signing of Doyle and, a big maybe, Sarcevic. There has to be some reason why Riley, Darcy and Alexander are being ignored. They may try to say Riley is too young, but Birmingham sold on a 17-years-odl to a German club for more than £20M and that is a good reason why you should ignore a good player's age these days. As far as the Oldham game is concerned we were not at the races from start to finish, and the last minute goal was around the fourth we have conceded from breakaways already this season. I also wonder where where all the old backroom staff have gone to, including Tony Kelly, David Lee, and Julien Darby. Have they all been furloughed off like dear old Andy Dean to make way for this job lot of second rate players? I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but personally I dont get the anti Tobias Phoenix. A lot has been made of algorithms, data performance recruitment and #NoMoneyBall. We signed 10 players in 1 day when Keith Hill came. Did anyone question why we chose those players. Does a scout ever take the fall? Had they not mention data driven recruitment would anyone even be questioning it. We lost 80% of the squad. We're in embargo and a salary cap. We needed cheap players however we got them. Think the DoF has become a whipping boy. Always makes me laugh when Utd play a £50M right back and a £80m centre back can mess up and concede a goal and the camera always pans to Ed Woodward, like the £500M spent over 2 seasons is chicken feed. I still like Evatt. I still believe FV made the right choice in going for a project than a quick fix. After 24 hours of borderline rage i am intrigued to see what Tuesday will bring.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 19:29:17 GMT
Maybe keeping IE in the long run might pay off but for how long do we except defeat as Ian said losing games becomes a habit well by my reckoning that’s 7 defeats out of 9 Now did anyone in there wildest nightmares expected us to have lost 7 games even before the end of October. Now I’m all for giving people a chance but can we really carry on the way we are going we will have to see out the end of this month if things haven’t changed get rid this is our club stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 18, 2020 22:04:01 GMT
I was disappointed that nobody followed up my Macc-Mafia thread, because increasingly I feel that Phoenix and Evatt have signed a job-lot of no-good players from Agent "X" and we have to play them as part of the deal.....maybe we got some concessions in the signing of Doyle and, a big maybe, Sarcevic. There has to be some reason why Riley, Darcy and Alexander are being ignored. They may try to say Riley is too young, but Birmingham sold on a 17-years-odl to a German club for more than £20M and that is a good reason why you should ignore a good player's age these days. As far as the Oldham game is concerned we were not at the races from start to finish, and the last minute goal was around the fourth we have conceded from breakaways already this season. I also wonder where where all the old backroom staff have gone to, including Tony Kelly, David Lee, and Julien Darby. Have they all been furloughed off like dear old Andy Dean to make way for this job lot of second rate players? I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but personally I dont get the anti Tobias Phoenix. A lot has been made of algorithms, data performance recruitment and #NoMoneyBall. We signed 10 players in 1 day when Keith Hill came. Did anyone question why we chose those players. Does a scout ever take the fall? Had they not mention data driven recruitment would anyone even be questioning it. We lost 80% of the squad. We're in embargo and a salary cap. We needed cheap players however we got them. Think the DoF has become a whipping boy. Always makes me laugh when Utd play a £50M right back and a £80m centre back can mess up and concede a goal and the camera always pans to Ed Woodward, like the £500M spent over 2 seasons is chicken feed. I still like Evatt. I still believe FV made the right choice in going for a project than a quick fix. After 24 hours of borderline rage i am intrigued to see what Tuesday will bring. Well you can defend Phoenix if you like OM but I think you’d be in a very small group. We had no choice signing the players when Hill came in and had 24 hours. It didn’t turn out well did it despite all those players being from recognised clubs. Phoenix on the other hand had half of last season and the closed season to evaluate players, plus the window this term yet look what we end up with? The standard of player is just abysmal so why should Evatt get all the flack and blame for their ineptitude? Phoenix has every reason to be the whipping boy and should be made accountable every bit as much as Evatt. Like you though I still believe in Evatt and whilst I don’t expect this squad to be anywhere near promotion, I don’t expect them to be in danger of relegation either and am also intrigued to see how we do on Tuesday and also what team he puts out.
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