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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 15:49:14 GMT
So is this the manager we really wanted that’s cost us £250.000 before a ball was kicked so after 15 competitive games we have won how many 2 we have a goalkeeper that’s crxp and for some reason our manager keeps playing him. I’m all for giving people a chance but not at the expense of our club when is everything going to start happening for us. Stay safe one and all COYWM ps read what I put before on this subject
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 11, 2020 15:56:18 GMT
There’s no doubt that Quigley and Rooney were the main men for Evatt at Barrow rtf and I’ve no doubt that he would have loved to bring them with him. Both were better than anything we have, Quigley not only useful on the floor but also big and strong aerially, which Doyle isn’t and Rooney is a Nolan type player pushing from midfield and also good on free kicks. Obviously the level they were at was lower than us but I’m sure they could both have done a job here. The problem is, I still don’t know who made the signings we had, Phoenix or Evatt, so I can’t blame IE totally for what’s happening. Even with Crellin, is there some contractual reason why he has to play, that we don’t know about? I’d still back IE to get it right over time, despite all the current doubts. Maybe it really was a bit unrealistic to expect us to be challenging for automatic promotion but I certainly think we should have expected better than we’ve got.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 11, 2020 17:35:30 GMT
There’s no doubt that Quigley and Rooney were the main men for Evatt at Bradford rtf and I’ve no doubt that he would have loved to bring them with him. Both were better than anything we have, Quigley not only useful on the floor but also big and strong aerially, which Doyle isn’tas a bit unrealistic to expect us to be challenging for automatic promotion but I certainly think we should have expected better than we’ve got. I've got more insight than most on this, as I've mentioned on here several years ago, how me & my partner had watched a bit of Welsh Premier lge. once relegated from the PL, we ditched Sky, so Welsh prem was one of the rare bits of live footie on tv we actually saw back then ( now got BT via Virgin so do see more now ). TNS have been the dominant side...and Quigley always impressed us. this is one of his goals from back then. this is a corker at 1.21 Quigley receives the pass at approx 1.27. what a finish ! notice he hits this with his left foot. the one above with his Right. to listen to those 2 plonkers interviewing him, you'd think Evatt had somehow "coached" Kevin Davies to be Ronaldinho. he earned himself a move up to Lge 1 Blackpool. didn't quite get the playing time. but loaned out for half a season to National lge Wrexham he hit 8 in 17 games. this is one for Wrexham. doesn't hit it the cleanest..but still good & you can see, he's more than useful with his feet.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 11, 2020 18:10:11 GMT
When you see these rtf, it’s no surprise that Barrow wanted to keep him but he seems to have spent some time injured this year much to Barrows loss. It will be interesting to see what happens if Barrow are relegated this season and whether the 2 year agreement will stand or whether IE will still go in for him. Of course that’s always assuming we aren’t relegated too. I’ve watched a few of Barrows games this season and they certainly don’t look the same outfit but then Rooney has also been missing so far so taking those two out certainly weakens them considerably. Whatever happens with those two, it’s odds on that many of those here now will be gone but the question for me is, will we just get another bunch of the same algorithm failures that we’ve got now? Surely if the same system is used by Phoenix and Evatt, then we can expect a similar result, so hopefully they will have learned a lesson and take heed from it?
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 11, 2020 18:32:43 GMT
Just realised that John Rooney moved to Stockport so is no longer at Barrow so ignore my lack of knowledge on that above. Really surprised at that, I would have thought they’d have wanted to keep him but clearly not!
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Post by OohMac on Nov 11, 2020 18:51:00 GMT
Interesting thread to revisit. And ive certainly been thinking a lot about that podcast recently.
Mentioned how success can add weight to comments and decisions. Everything Evatt says now holds no weight. For me hes said some odd things, hes flip flopped and he contradicts himself all too often.
That for me comes down to being dishonest or faux diplomacy saying things you dont mean and then later cant maintain or toe the line.
I dont see his "non negotiable" tactics. I dont see us trying to win the ball back, high press. I dont see defenders and midfielder wanting the ball and I dont see us adapting and changing style when we suss out it aint worked.
This season hasnt actually gone too far from my prediction of midtable by xmas and promotion push. Just thought too much, too soon. Foresaw this 1 step forward, 1 back. This has been 1 forward 2 back. And i'm not convinced that we will kick on.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 11, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
Interesting thread to revisit. And ive certainly been thinking a lot about that podcast recently. Mentioned how success can add weight to comments and decisions. Everything Evatt says now holds no weight. For me hes said some odd things, hes flip flopped and he contradicts himself all too often. That for me comes down to being dishonest or faux diplomacy saying things you dont mean and then later cant maintain or toe the line. I dont see his "non negotiable" tactics. I dont see us trying to win the ball back, high press. I dont see defenders and midfielder wanting the ball and I dont see us adapting and changing style when we suss out it aint worked. This season hasnt actually gone too far from my prediction of midtable by xmas and promotion push. Just thought too much, too soon. Foresaw this 1 step forward, 1 back. This has been 1 forward 2 back. And i'm not convinced that we will kick on. 100% agree on all the tactical stuff. & as for the contradictions he comes out with.. he's not quite up to Freedman's level.. (who could be) but he's certainly no. 2. media always used to go on & on about press conferences. and i used to think..what's the point. they are so boring. apart from a bit of injury news, you hardly get anything useful out of them. (( they never ask practical questions like those issues stated above... is the team pressing as well as he would like etc 6 sec rule... would be a nice one now .)) but I now think they can be a good insight into how good a man manager someone is ? e.g Harry Redknapp. good with press. good with players. Mourinho..was initially good in early days at Chelsea. & you saw him go bad at Chelsea. & not great at Man u. back to being decent again, for now. Klopp very good. Wenger good. Parky I think was actually pretty good man manager. don't remember fall-outs with players. pretty happy camp. good at easing in players on the fringes. and fading some out fairly, who weren't performing. Coyle generally good & a nice antidote to Megson, but in the end his slightly too soft / nice side also came through. Fergie possibly an exception to that trend....but on 2nd thoughts... he was always using SIEGE MENTALITIES to motivate players..so maybe that was all part of the plan. us against them . any chance our lot could do this. don't complain about the stick...use the stick to fire you up & prove those b'stards wrong Freedman classic example of bad at both.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 11, 2020 22:35:29 GMT
I just get the impression that IE wants to be all things to all men, in that he likes to get close to his players but then wants to be a tough guy as well. At the moment he seems to be finding it difficult where to be so he’s unable to make tough decisions. He may of course be constrained in what he can do? Why has he persevered with Crellin when other players are withdrawn quickly or sidelined for mistakes and why is there no GK sub on the bench? Is it because he couldn’t use one anyway? We need to know the truth. And how much say does our HoF have in such matters? We need to know that as well. Maybe everything behind the scenes isn’t hunky dory? We might get an answer to some of it on Friday if Crellin is replaced but if not it will only continue the doubts. I actually like IE and I do think he’ll come good but not this season with these players.
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