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Post by OohMac on Jun 17, 2020 15:10:27 GMT
In fairness from all things ive heard from FV they dont want to go down the same old, same old route.
In fairness if things didnt pan out this time next season you will always have a Gary Bowyer or Simon Grayson type.
I suppose you may argue that David Lee, Julian, Jimmy, Spooner McCann would be still here or interested too.
Whereas Evatt, Lowe, etc kick on as they have they will be wanted by bigger and richer.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 21, 2020 15:12:58 GMT
I think I’ve been living on another planet here without really paying attention...
Why has the Prem & the Chumpionship restarted and our leagues 1 & 2 been abolished???
If it’s Covid, has COVID suddenly decided that the top two leagues are ok and free from disease?
We all knew we were doomed and down and if it wasn’t for Trashmere Rovers going down I’d have had some sympathy for them as they probably could have avoided the drop. Glad they haven’t mind!!
There’s a little speculation from someone in the BN that claims the managerial job has been given to Sol Campbell!!!
I’m not a fan if I’m honest and I hope it’s not. He’s not set the world alight walking away from Macc Town and taking Southend down so it’s a no from me.
Actually supplied some building materials to a certain Mr Tony Coton (rememberer him) to his house on Regents Rd Lostock On the day that Hill got the shove and who should be digging the soil up but non other than David Flitcroft !! He knew then that he’d been potted. I’m just awaiting tales from our kid who sips in the House With No Name in Harwood alongside Keith, see what his tale in his short reign was like. Glad he’s gone tho.
Just watching Neil Harris’s Cardiff take Leeds apart and I have to agree that a chance on Dean Holden or Ian Evatt can’t be all that bad given our plight and if they’ve got anything about them like Harris, I think either could do a job here. Wouldn’t mind Clough though
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 21, 2020 18:40:09 GMT
I think you’re underestimating Sol rftr, in that the situation at Macc was so bad that anybody would have left if offered a good alternative but I think you have to consider the job he did keeping Macc up when all looked lost and he didn’t give up like our bloke did when players wages weren’t being paid. He took over a Southend team low on confidence and without key players through injury and though results up to the curtailment weren’t brilliant he seemed to have stopped the rot and steadied the ship. I wouldn’t have a problem if he came here but equally he wouldn’t be my first choice. Like you I’d prefer Lowe, Evatt, or Holden, though I still have a preference for David Lee who I think would do a good job. Definitely though I wouldn’t want Clough. Living near Sheffield I have many family and friends who are Blades and they couldn’t wait to get rid of him, a bit like us and Parky and if you needed more proof look what Chris Wilder did immediately with the same squad. That’s what we need here, someone with a point to prove and a career to build not just a journeyman like Clough, Grayson and Bowyer, just here for a job before moving on elsewhere again. Let’s get someone new and exciting in that young supporters can identify with and build up the fan base by making us exciting to watch instead of the dreary rubbish we’ve suffered for years now.
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Post by OohMac on Jun 22, 2020 7:48:46 GMT
Only thing about that Whites is that sometimes a club and manager arent the right fit. Everton fans celebrates Allardyce sacking. Rescued them from bottom 3 to mid table?
I dont think Clough is in the running anymore.
Get the feeling if it was Lee it probably would have emerged a lot sooner. Maybe FV are right to put the feelers out first. Does seem Didsy is always the bridesmaid at Bolton. Maybe if he does have aspirations he needs to leave here.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 22, 2020 9:58:45 GMT
Probably OM but it’s looking more and more as though Lowe and Evatt were the targets. I’d have no problem with either but if neither will come I wouldn’t just keep going lower on the list, I’d give DL a chance and if he’s not doing it by Christmas there will still be plenty looking for a job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 19:45:49 GMT
Not that we have any idea who the next manager/coach will be, but the interview process works both ways.
Whoever we end up with just may not be the best person for the job (I'll take credit for that when he's sacked... lol)
Meaning, in the process FV may think that the best guy talks a good game, he's the one. Then, said guy asks about FV plans and finances and whoa there Trigger... out the door he goes and we are left with, well, perhaps someone we didn't want in the first place.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 23, 2020 22:18:11 GMT
I think that’s always the case when you recruit anyone wots. Obviously you can see their record and read their CV and listen to their intentions at interview but you still can’t say for certain the person you choose will succeed. It’s all a risk both for the club and the candidate. As you also say an interview is a two way thing and there’s no guarantee the candidate will like what they hear or get the assurances they need, especially if they’re in a secure job now. I never seriously thought Ryan Lowe was a goer, too much to lose and unless he wants to get back to the NW for personal reasons I could never see him decide to leave Plymouth. So it seems Ian Evatt is the hot favourite and since FV have confirmed they would pay for the right man and the Barrow board have a release clause in his contract, there’s obviously a deal to be done. We should know soon but I still wouldn’t bet against David Lee managing the team when the season starts.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 24, 2020 18:23:26 GMT
So FV have approached Barrow for permission to talk to Ian Evatt but it appears that any compensation would also include that for assistant Peter Atherton who Evatt wants to bring with him and which could amount to £250k. Much as I’d like to see Evatt here it’s not at any cost and that amount looks too much for me. Also, why is it that managers now have to bring in their own entourage with them when they move? Surely we have good coaches here who could step in and do that job who it means we will probably have to lose. Sorry to bang the drum but for me I just can’t see why FV don’t just give DL and NS a chance at no cost.
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Post by BL2 on Jun 25, 2020 15:33:24 GMT
£250k is more than I thought they would have to pay but as Evatt is clearly who FV want they should pay up and get him. Don't try and do things on the cheap by going for the likes of DL who obviously isn't their first choice. £250k is not a lot in the great scheme of things considering they won't be buying any players because of the embargo or paying silly wages because of the likely salary cap. If FV are baulking at paying £250k for the man they think is right for the job it makes me wonder if they have any money at all.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 25, 2020 17:27:15 GMT
£250k is more than I thought they would have to pay but as Evatt is clearly who FV want they should pay up and get him. Don't try and do things on the cheap by going for the likes of DL who obviously isn't their first choice. £250k is not a lot in the great scheme of things considering they won't be buying any players because of the embargo or paying silly wages because of the likely salary cap. If FV are baulking at paying £250k for the man they think is right for the job it makes me wonder if they have any money at all. I agree they should pay for the man they want bl2 but I think at £250k they’re getting tucked up. In reality I doubt if it’s really anywhere near that and will likely be around half that which would be a pretty good deal for both. Of course there’s nothing to say Evatt would take the job even if it’s offered if he thinks his hands are tied and also we don’t know how much say he’s going to have over team matters with Phoenix in the seat whereas at Barrow he seems to have pretty much sole control. I’m not writing David Lee off yet because if Evatt falls through I think that’s who FV will go for. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:36:58 GMT
tbh, I don't think it will be Evatt, or D.L. Not sure who, but I think it'll be someone not on the list. Someone not under contract too.
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Post by BL2 on Jun 25, 2020 20:17:04 GMT
tbh, I don't think it will be Evatt, or D.L. Not sure who, but I think it'll be someone not on the list. Someone not under contract too. Well, there are plenty of out of work managers with egos way bigger than their abilities who have probably put in for the job. |
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Post by OohMac on Jun 28, 2020 17:32:14 GMT
I've jumped the gun a bit and listened to Ian Evatts podcast on TiFo on the assumption he will be here and wow, am i impressed.
I did love David Lee's conversations. The passion, the attitude and ambition but Evatt seems another level.
The stats for Barrow this season are amazing. Most time on the ball, record high 81% possession in a match and playing out from the back.
And then when you consider when he went there he didnt inherit a side. He had to recruit a whole Squad(like anyone else?) and talks about how the squad he inherited couldnt string 5 passes together and no one wanting the ball.
If anyone listens to this, I suggest you all do, its hard to think of anyone else.
I'd give him a 5 year deal. Cant be sacked for 3 years. With £2M release for other clubs. Guys a winner but needs time
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 28, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
Never heard of TiFo OM but will certainly listen to it on your recommendation. Got to say even without hearing it I’ve already got the opinion he could be our silver bullet so like you I would tie him down on a long contract with a strict get out clause. It may cost us more initially but with incentives based on successes it could be good for us both. We may have found our own Sean Dyche?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 18:00:57 GMT
We haven't got him yet, lads.
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