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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 15, 2019 10:35:48 GMT
Hi everyone
Just thought I’d throw out a thought provoking thread to see what ideas people have to buck the trend of seeing football stadia in England three quarters empty!
Yes, aside from Phil Parkinson’s dull and dire football and the chairman’s loathsome attitude to the running of our beloved BWFC, what can be done to create near full stadiums?
I do understand that becoming a Premier League team will do just that, although not always the case.
The reason I throw it out there is, when BSKYB started with all this televised coverage, I genuinely thought that turning up to football grounds would become a thing of the past, but this didn’t really happen and strangely enough probably helped the attendances (for a while) Now though, I don’t think there’s a person that I work with that hasn’t sacked off their BT Sport or SKY Sports subscription in favour of this iPTV!!
What this means in terms of clubs at our level is that you can watch pretty much any game, any time it’s on and add to this my second paragraph about Phil and Ken and you have a club in a bigger financial crisis than people are giving attention to.
My kids, along with thousands of other kids do not want to leave the comfort of Fortnite or Minecraft in favour of a cold Tuesday night and £10 or £15 of which they don’t have to go to a football stadium. It’s also a bit like buying a washing machine from Amazon rather than a trip, in the car or by taxi, bus, train or tram to nip to Curry’s, why would you, although we love nothing more than moaning about the demise of the high street and yet we sit lazily watching it collapse. It’s a bit like ‘you’re not stuck in traffic, you are traffic’
Is attending a football match at risk?? What can be done to avert the downturn?? What can clubs do?? What can we do??
Thoughts???
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Post by OohMac on Feb 15, 2019 15:40:11 GMT
We had an idea the other year that was shot down and it was to close top tiers. I completely agree. I know a few moaned because of the "this is my seat and its where ive always sat" brigade but realistically makes no sense.
Atmosphere would be improved with full seats. Could put some kind of advertising sheet to make it look better. Nothing worse than seeing rows and rows of empty seats on Sky.
We also have to employ more caterers, catering staff, stewards. Maybe North upper can be kept open but would close the other two.
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Post by thegrud1 on Feb 15, 2019 16:47:39 GMT
I sit in upper west....myself and another need the lift to get to seats that are directly outside the top of steps...the view is superb,wouldnt change them...close both ends then everyone would get a better view...(devils advocate) as you see its all relative
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 15, 2019 18:38:40 GMT
I don't think, though I may be mistaken, that rftr is so much asking how grounds experiencing smaller crowds can be made to just look better, as much as how can we fill them up again with all the other options available. Speaking personally, I am becoming bored with football. I don't know if that's just down to the dross Parky's serving up, or whether it's just football generally. Clearly the PL continues to thrive due to the riches involved but I think it's more and more at the expense of those outside, including the Championship. Not many years ago, any club could potentially make it to the top, including the likes of Carlisle, Northampton and others but it's almost inconceivable that could happen now without a mega rich benefactor.
Even to stay in the Championship these days comes at massive cost, just to survive, as we are finding out. As soon as you're above Div 1 the wages spiral and without either massive crowds or a rich owner you will struggle. Add the parachute payments of relegated clubs and it makes the difference worse. Do you spend to try to achieve promotion and risk devastation, or do you just happily exist? I think the internet will definitely hurt clubs, who can often now be watched on various channels, most notably iFollow. As rftr says, why would you want to buy 2-3 tickets for yourself, kids, relatives and sufffer the travel and weather when you can pay £10, stay at home and watch in comfort with a beer? In our case one other benefit of this is that you can turn it off!
I suppose clubs just have to make a decision where they want to be and accept their lot. Maybe the top two divisions should become linked under the PL as Garty always maintained, then the rest can just accept they can't compete unless a rich owner wants to take a chance. At the moment the Championship clubs seem to be in something of a state of no mans land somewhere between the riches and high costs of the PL and the much lower costs of Divisions 3 and 4 (1 and 2). Being a Championship club is tough and I can only see it getting tougher yet as crowds reduce further.
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 15, 2019 20:11:29 GMT
Added to all that is the fact that the national media these days only seem to be interested in the top six. My daily papaer fills its pages with the sort of stuff on these cluns that used to be the normal fodder of local papers, namely injury problems (will Harry Kane be fit for the next Spurs game ?), manager statements ( what I'm planning when we play United/City etc ) , Transfer gossip( see the BBC teletext), and old Martin Tyler who spends most matches telling us how club A is due for a win against club B because they haven't done it for 50 years, irrespective of how many squad changes there have been in that time. I also think many reporters in the national press are reporting on the clubs they themselves support, which is far from objective reporting. All that, and PP's antediluvian approach and Anderson's financial headaches, is making our stadium less attractive to would be supporters, who, of course are the game's lifeblood,
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 16, 2019 8:33:47 GMT
How about if we got a positive young manager, preferably with some history at the club, who would decide to fill the team with our own young talent about which the BN news could write positive stories. They could visit local schools and youth events, invite schoolchildren to games and integrate with the local community. Positivity is what is lacking at the moment and ask yourself this. If you bought a Wanderers kit whose name would you really want on it? I accept we have to play some experience in order to compete but I just don't accept that fielding players like Connell, Hall, Politic and others will weaken this team at all, quite the reverse. A huge turnaround is needed and in fact could have occurred already under Anderson if he'd only see it and ditch Mr 28% in favour of DL and TK. I believe there are between 3 and 5 thousand fans, including me, ready to return if he did that but like me again today will stay away entirely because he won't. I was considering going actually, I certainly could do but have decided to enjoy the sunshine with my little granddaughter instead.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 16, 2019 15:16:16 GMT
Great reply W63 and just as I’m reading this, whilst painting, Norwich take the lead and then the ever depressing Tower FM decide to lose connection to the commentary, yet again!!!
Think I might listen to Rylan on BBC Radio 2🤔🤔🤔 Like fck I will😡😡😡
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 16, 2019 20:38:07 GMT
Well I definitely think I made the right choice in not going rftr and so did you with your painting. Actually though I feel a bit sorry for Parky because he did after all try to be positive with the players who did well on Tuesday. Sadly those same players let him down today although you could complain that when it obviously wasn't working, he might have changed it immediately rather than wait until half time, though I still think that might be a bit harsh. I think today we probably have to accept we were up against a very good team and stung by their loss to Preston, it gave them a further edge. Whilst we were up after Birmingham, we shouldn't be too down today as we didn't expect to get anything from this and Leeds next week anyway. I think one thing we can say is that next week will be back to the ultra defensive Parky and to be fair I think I'd agree with him going to Leeds. Assuming we are still not adrift by then we should have a number of games we can be more hopeful of points from so all is not lost. In fact we may even be under new ownership by then with all that that brings. Strangely, I don't feel upset about losing, I think I've got that used to it but I'm so glad I didn't make the trip over and instead spent the afternoon with my little sweetheart on the playpark in the sun.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 16, 2019 22:30:05 GMT
Only thing I’d add to that W63 is unlike last season (Wolves) absolutely every team in the Champ this season is actually beatable and I firmly believe that. We SHOULD be giving Norwich a game at HOMe We SHOULD be ultra defensive and get a point v Leeds We’ve beaten Derby We’ve beaten West Brom We can beat the teams in this league Yes, we’ve had incredible luck in getting these results but like today, from what I heard and the goals I’ve seen, we just say back on and allowed Norwich to take us to the cleaners That all comes down to a lack of leadership as other BWFC managers in the past have managed to outsmart the better teams on our own turf, unlike Parkhoofson
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 16, 2019 22:30:18 GMT
Looks like we are well and truly stuck with the set up we have as all takeover talk as fine quiet yet again!!!
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Post by OohMac on Feb 17, 2019 8:43:45 GMT
Understand your Zen like reaction to tbe defeat. Ultinately whites you are correct. If one of the teams better leagues come and it clicks then we are on course for a hiding.
Yeah preston did them mid week but football cant be judged that way.
Playing this attacking style though is more than just moving players into position, like salt and pepper pots on a dinner table. Whatever formation we play the players need to know thier roles and execute them and under Phil it never looks like anyone knows what theyre doing. Said on the mainland if you told me traning had been cancelled for two years and the players just meet up on matchdays it would not surprise me.
Phil shouldnt resign because a rampant team came and left us for dead. Happens. Big Sam, Sir Alex, Pep all have these days.
But 3 years in. Have we recruited well? Have any players improved? Do we know a best XI? Are fans happy and ultimately are we better now than we were?
And thats why Phil should walk/take a break maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 10:57:23 GMT
Does anyone know how many season tickets we have sold for this season cause the attendance figures they give out ain't that bad for a team that can't score or keep clean sheets on a regular basis at home. COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Feb 17, 2019 11:29:29 GMT
I think they will include season tickets, away fans obviously help, but i assume they give out tickets to the UniBol, match sponsors, presume schools and clubs and presume everyone of those turns up.
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Post by thegrud1 on Feb 17, 2019 11:59:22 GMT
All season ticket holders are counted as attending !
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Post by one2many on Feb 18, 2019 9:02:11 GMT
Interesting question. Perhaps similar to why go to the Cinema when you can watch on netflix or go to the pub when there are beers in the fridge?
I note that it is very difficult to get tickets for many premiership games and some teams even have a waiting list for season ticket holders. So in the top division certainly there seems little danger of dwindling attendances.
I have a season ticket for my local Spanish (second division) team. I go when the games are being played at reasonable times, i.e a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Midweek games starting a 9:00 pm are cold (yes, it does get cold in Spain!) and at an anti social hour for me and young children, so I watch the game at home (or not). My kids enjoy going but are usually bored rigid 5 minutes into the second half which is when the popcorn and crisp supply has dried up!
How to get more punters at Bolton? Better quality football and if possible easier access to and from the stadium. Failing that, naked female mud wrestling at halftime? The only problem with that is the fans may complain when it is time for the players to reappear!
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