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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 15:53:00 GMT
Don't want Nolan, agree with the likes of Browny, Lee & Kelly. Think Browny has been sacked at Swindon. Please stop this McCarthy talk....I`d rather have my teeth removed. Lol....I didn't think it was you Wots. Took you for having more sense. Is Andyl on drugs?  ... |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 12, 2018 16:49:55 GMT
I’ve gone for Moyes as first choice. Still has property in the NW and a £25m pay off from his 6 yr MUFC contract so he’s not coming here for the money
Nigel Pearson would be by second choice as I think we need a manager not afraid to shout and scream at these pansies when things go wrong and also not afraid of the chairman either
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 12, 2018 17:55:17 GMT
I don't want to see Parky go! And I don't want Ken to sack him. If he chose to resign and for all sorts of reasons, not least the forward trajectory of his career, I think he should think about so doing, then see arguments parallel thread much as ws63 I can see an argument for Phil Brown in that he might just fit in. I have to wonder though if Per Frandsen would be interested- he'd be good someday? Andy, my gasp has never been more flabbered!! I can only assume there are reasons behind your defence of Parky that I'm missing but assuming this isn't a wind up I'd love to have them explained to me and I mean that in all seriousness. personally, I can't think of one good reason to retain him. What he achieved is historic and even then it was achieved at the lowest level possible and not without a huge slice of good fortune. In terms of player development, not one and I include Madine, improved under his stewardship, yet many have seemingly underperformed or gone backwards. It's hard to see any player or combination of players improving under his arcane methods and constant tinkering. You obviously see something I don't and I'd really like to hear what that is. |
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Post by OohMac on Nov 12, 2018 18:38:57 GMT
If I was PP best mate or agent I would be encouraging him to leave. Is he getting any enjoyment of being here?
If he went he could get touted for other jobs where he's more capable.
He musy go home on a Saturday demoralised that whatever he does doesn't work, the crowds are down(in spirit and numbers) and he's just not getting anywhere.
He could work out a package with Ken that would give him a nice Xmas off and then get to Bradford for the new year.
Go back down and maybe look at proving us all wrong. If you're good enough at this level Phil you will rise again. I don't think he is.
As for the list. Brown proving to be popular choice in there's a lot of live for that White Hot era.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 18:48:14 GMT
Yes OoooooM…...I like the idea of a White Hot era, am I right in thinking Brownie has been sacked at Swindon ? Nigel Pearson is a good call as well.
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Post by andyl on Nov 12, 2018 18:50:25 GMT
Ok let me clarify!
I don't want Parky to go. I don't want Ken to sack him.. In saying this I am probably quite representative of the fans who endure silently and the very limited voice of protest at the end of games. There is nothing like what we saw prior to the coups des graces which accounted for Messrs Megson, Freedman, Coyle and Lennon. In the end I wanted all of them to go.
But I did not say I wanted Parky to stay. If that sounds equivocal I nevertheless think it's reconcilable. Parky is a good man who has worked conscientiously with not much going for him off the field. He has, albeit in streaks, given us some good results and some excellent moments. It was quite an achievement to get out of Division One with all that was going on. I lioke and respect him more than any of teh aforementioned. Why should I actively argue for his dismissal. I'd rather argue for the employment of an attacking coach. I think Parky has done a good job of defensive organisation certainly until trying recently to develop more of a passing game.
Now if he were to resign, then my dilemma is properly resolved but again I'm not wishing for this except for his own sake. I seriously doubt that he will get another championship role unless he promotes another from below.
My parallel post tried to look beyond the immediate Parky in, Parky out discussion. It argued that various conditions have to be aligned if a club is to make progress and we have all seen examples of this. I do not think any incomer has much of a chance. It's too early for Academy coaches to step up. So just maybe Phil Brown is the only one who has the history, experience and the history to take Bolton forward at the moment if there is a vacancy. But I'm not holding my breath. If investors are found the landscape would change.
All of that said I do think we have seen more entertaining football recently.I like watching Erhun Oztumer and to my eyes he has come very close indeed to scoring a handful of goals and I really think, given time and loyalty and confidence, he will get some, possibly more than one in a match. And I like Williams when he gets forward and Hobbes at the back. If Parky just makes minor tweaks: Matthews for Alnwick; Vela in right midfield, Doidge alongside Magennis or Donaldson and Ameobi on the left or more central, I would not be surprised to see us go on a winning run. It may be that there are other better tweaks he might make to the same effect e.g keeping Oztumer on the left, playing Doidge on the left of the striker and powering up that left side to offset Taylor's clear deficiencies moving forward. If Parky stays all is very far from lost. We have at no point played as terribly as for example at home to Burton last year. We might just hammer Wigan.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 18:57:23 GMT
We were lucky with promotion and very lucky to stay up. I don't know what good results and excellent moments he has given us. He as been well paid to do a job and failed big time. Im surprised at your comments Andy.!! Good job at defensive organisation? ?....come on. |
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Post by andyl on Nov 12, 2018 19:25:25 GMT
There are 8 championship teams who have conceded more goals than us and another three on the same number.
We have scored the fewest goals of all.
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Post by thegrud1 on Nov 12, 2018 19:32:20 GMT
Andy.....YOUR AVING A LAAAAARF !...cant be serious !!!!
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 19:51:31 GMT
Really surprised at you Andy !
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Post by andyl on Nov 12, 2018 20:10:57 GMT
Are the stats wrong? Defensive organisation is surely important. It's our attacking that's woeful, surely?
I repeat I am not arguing for Parky to stay. He has perhaps neutered or dulled my voice. But I am not alone, surely. There were very few boos or shouts of criticism on Saturday and not a hint of 'you don't know what you are doing' as for example screamed at Dougie at Fulham.
I think most fans like me would be happy to see change but are not actively clamouring for it..and maybe this is in part because of the good moments in part because of the financial context and in part because they quite like Parky the man
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 20:34:41 GMT
Defensive organisation is very important and unfortunately we don't have it. Match after match we fall behind to defensive howlers and as for there being no boos etc etc at the end of the match.....maybe like a lot of posters on here, they have given up.
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Post by wots on Nov 12, 2018 20:35:38 GMT
Are the stats wrong? Defensive organisation is surely important. It's our attacking that's woeful, surely? I repeat I am not arguing for Parky to stay. He has perhaps neutered or dulled my voice. But I am not alone, surely. There were very few boos or shouts of criticism on Saturday and not a hint of 'you don't know what you are doing' as for example screamed at Dougie at Fulham. I think most fans like me would be happy to see change but are not actively clamouring for it..and maybe this is in part because of the good moments in part because of the financial context and in part because they quite like Parky the man I never thought that I'd have to come to your defence Andy, but here I am. First of all, the stats are correct. As an ex central defender myself, defensive organization is extremely important and yes, our attacking tactics are definitely woeful/abysmal. If we had strong attacking/midfield options then the defence wouldn't be under so much pressure. We need a strong character in central defence, or midfield (captain), who will organize our on field tactics. Roy Keane, Mike Doyle to name but two. As for no-one calling for Parky's head, well Andy, with all respect, I think he has neutered and dulled everyone's voice. Even Joanna's, who doesn't seem to post anymore. At some point a change of manager will occur. It's just when and if it's too late to save us from relegation. That's Anderson's decision. His club, his 50p. |
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Post by davidm on Nov 12, 2018 20:38:44 GMT
Stats may look good Andy but all I can say it that this is the most mind-numbing standard of football I have witnessed since the 1980s.
People are losing interest.
The manager is driving fans away from the club.
I cannot see a positive outcome to the current malaise without change; preferably both owner and manager but, if it has to be, the manager must go.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 12, 2018 21:10:22 GMT
You are being unfair to the 1980s Davidm. Ive been watching since 1966 and its NEVER been as boring, mind numbing and soul destroying as it is under this manager.
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