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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 4, 2018 12:08:58 GMT
Adam Armstrong!!!
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Post by bonaparte on Mar 4, 2018 15:36:15 GMT
Joanna, We do not have awful players, some ageing journey men, perhaps and some skilled players. We do not have a strategy, 3-5-2, or 4-4-2. Our 3 big defenders are too slow to play 3-5-2,boring 4-4-2 has brought results, so why not stck to that. Without Henry we do not have a play maker,even he is not great. We cannot score if we do not have the ball,and all season long we have had lowest possession. No one seems capable of holding on to the ball, and no one seems capable of finding a pass. Yesterday we had plenty of defensive headers,goal kicks, and clearances none I recall found a white man. Are you sure they practise passing, moving,and supporting. No evidence so far. I do not know who selects prospective players, but if I were PP and did not have say, I would walk. That said, he never seems to give the fringe players a decent run, and then there are academy players, must be better than Wilbraham. Sorry all down to PP for me, Madine (a no brainer) apart.
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Post by MAT on Mar 4, 2018 16:23:34 GMT
Will he put in some players who know how to score? I would vote for Connor Hall and Obasi to be given at least 30 minutes at the end of the second half. Obasi won't be playing according to Parkinson, in the BN. Seems he is tied up in red tape (?) and needs more trial games. Doesn't sound like he's even on the books. Hi Wots, just been looking at some of your posts here on the BWFC forum. I knew you saw the threads from time to time, from the occasional remarks you have made on the YV forum, but I didn’t know you were such a prolific contributor as you seem to be from the cursory glance I’ve had, at least over the last few weeks.
Have you you been posting on BWFC matters long? I know it’s pretty sterile on YV these days.
At first blush it seems a bit odd to be posting on the BWFC site without seeing very much at all in the way of live football from the Wanderers, but I see you follow in the Bolton News, and watched a match in an Algarve taverna. Are there others on BWFCforum in your shoes?
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Post by joanna on Mar 4, 2018 19:30:39 GMT
Joanna, We do not have awful players, some ageing journey men, perhaps and some skilled players. We do not have a strategy, 3-5-2, or 4-4-2. Our 3 big defenders are too slow to play 3-5-2,boring 4-4-2 has brought results, so why not stck to that. Without Henry we do not have a play maker,even he is not great. We cannot score if we do not have the ball,and all season long we have had lowest possession. No one seems capable of holding on to the ball, and no one seems capable of finding a pass. Yesterday we had plenty of defensive headers,goal kicks, and clearances none I recall found a white man. Are you sure they practise passing, moving,and supporting. No evidence so far. I do not know who selects prospective players, but if I were PP and did not have say, I would walk. That said, he never seems to give the fringe players a decent run, and then there are academy players, must be better than Wilbraham. Sorry all down to PP for me, Madine (a no brainer) apart. Surely, everything you write after your opening sentence confirms that we DO have awful players!
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Post by Alptrotter on Mar 4, 2018 19:34:20 GMT
Joanna, We do not have awful players, some ageing journey men, perhaps and some skilled players. We do not have a strategy, 3-5-2, or 4-4-2. Our 3 big defenders are too slow to play 3-5-2,boring 4-4-2 has brought results, so why not stck to that. Without Henry we do not have a play maker,even he is not great. We cannot score if we do not have the ball,and all season long we have had lowest possession. No one seems capable of holding on to the ball, and no one seems capable of finding a pass. Yesterday we had plenty of defensive headers,goal kicks, and clearances none I recall found a white man. Are you sure they practise passing, moving,and supporting. No evidence so far. I do not know who selects prospective players, but if I were PP and did not have say, I would walk. That said, he never seems to give the fringe players a decent run, and then there are academy players, must be better than Wilbraham. Sorry all down to PP for me, Madine (a no brainer) apart. Surely, everything you write after your opening sentence confirms that we DO have awful players!
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Post by Alptrotter on Mar 4, 2018 19:54:36 GMT
I think it’s not fair to say we have awful players. Yes, frequently they play in an awful way, but this doesn’t mean they are awful. The team , as currently constituted is simply unbalanced. We have three centre backs who are pretty much clones of one another. Where is the pace? the ability to play out from the back? Surely we have at least one player who could be a ball playing defender? Burke? When fit, we have two defensive midfielders, Henry and Pratley, who are also far too alike. Neither is comfortable in possession. Neither can pass. We have countless mobile forwards, ( Clough, ALF, Walker, Ameobi), but no one who can pass the ball into channels for them. We just hoof it and lose it. We have a wholly unbalanced pair of wing backs , Morais on the right, who is not a wing back at all, though I really wonder if he should not be tried as a playmaker in the centre of midfield. Or Karacan perhaps could take this role, if were not having to rush around like a headless chicken. Or what of Vela? What on earth has happened to him this year? Robinson, at left wing back, has energy to burn, but far too often he charges forward and completely outstrips the rest of the team. He then loses the ball and we’re back to square one. Who knows whether or not the new additions will bring something to the table, But I am convinced that it is unfair to blame players who are stuck with an unimagnative manager and coaching staff. We surely must have sufficient quality in the squad, if they are deployed more effectively to retain possession more. The current tactics, for me = relegation or, if we are very lucky, a skin of the teeth survival. It’s Parky who has to man up, not the players.
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 4, 2018 22:31:22 GMT
Hit the nail on the head there PAULM...couldnt agree more
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Post by bonaparte on Mar 4, 2018 22:49:19 GMT
Joanna Players are made to look bad by poor managerial decisions. Managers must recognise strengths and weaknesses and set up the team accordingly. The fact that Madine was a dubious strength meant the team was set up tp facilitate him. The players are professionals and can adapt, if allowed, to changed situations. But the manager seems unable to get the best out of them, or change his plan a, he has no plan b. Sorry all down to PP for me.
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Post by andyl on Mar 5, 2018 7:38:29 GMT
Not much to add but can, I think clarify one point. Phil P was, I have heard, consulted and involved in all decision- making. Players bought were on his say so, players not ditto. It would however be fair to say that financial constraints have been the context for all such decisions and that he and the owner have operated with hands tied for much of their partnership. The Madine sale was an amazingly lucky piece of business and it has freed things up considerably.
Selection and tactics are all down to Phil P. The team is playing as Bradford played. It is arguable that within constraints the tactics have got us close to safety. Preston bumped along near the bottom of the league playing like this for a while. It's also arguable that the tactics are stultifying, the football poor, the team demands of low possession are self-attritional and that the wheels are about to fall off. The story of the season can only fully be written when we see which of the two outcomes unfold
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Post by wots on Mar 5, 2018 14:10:56 GMT
Not much to add but can, I think clarify one point. Phil P was, I have heard, consulted and involved in all decision- making. Players bought were on his say so, players not ditto. I'm not sure if you read the BWFC website in the BN Andy, but recent stories appear to contradict what you have heard, especially in the case of Obasi. Parkinson being quoted as needing to see more of him in trials and then voila, he's a Wanderer. 'Course the selling of Madine was a good bit of business, but imo, only because Anderson doesn't have to invest his own money in the club. Just who is running the show looks obvious. I responded with this to rftr on this thread: "Not "What now Parky?" Rioch. It should be "What now Anderson?". Just who is running the show here?" How many players out of contract at season's end? He is quite clearly gearing up for relegation in that respect. Although, I think we will avoid relegation, despite Madine not being replaced and despite the one dimensional tactics, because I think we have an easier run in than the others below us. What next season brings with us being in the Championship is anyone's guess... maybe a new owner? Even Anderson will be pleased to unload us. Disaster, if we were to be relegated. I don't think the club will be worth 20 quid, never mind 20 million. Money doesn't grow on trees and Anderson isn't going to give any. I agree with Joanna's initial remarks, she appears to have the situation firmly weighed up.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 5, 2018 15:02:37 GMT
Not sure how many players I would describe as Awful in the squad? The worst for me is Dervite but I would say he's not awful, if you give him 1 match a season he has to play in he will do a sterling job. He could probably play for France in the World Cup final and pass with flying colours. Problem is after 1 match his head goes, his concentration goes he's out of sync with the other team, poor positioning prone to errors and slow to react. Yeah he's awful.
I don't think Derick. Karacan. Pratley are up to this level but again I wouldn't say awful. And I've more respect for Wilbraham to say he's awful. Just took a challenge that was too much for him at this stage.
I was genuinely excited when we signed Burke, Buckley, No one, Armstrong, Clough etc but they don't get in.
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 5, 2018 15:43:35 GMT
...Alnwick....robinson...beevers......little......henry.....vela.....clough....ameobie...Le Fondre.........At this level all these are more than capable...add a couple of others and theres a decent team there IF they are coached to play football not hoofball.....dont get this we need a target man...play the ball on the floor...pass the bloody thing ...one touch / two touch...these are professional footballers who have been coached to pass the ball for 10-15 yrs !!!!!
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Post by Pedro on Mar 5, 2018 18:50:56 GMT
Eggsactly. It is as if they have had passing, shooting and heading accurately trained OUT of them. "I'll go to the foot of our stairs......." Give me strength
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Post by joanna on Mar 5, 2018 23:38:44 GMT
I agree with Joanna's initial remarks, she appears to have the situation firmly weighed up. Thanks, wots! To those who disagree, I think it's again a case of not reading my wording correctly in my initial post:- I said that it's clear that the general consensus is that we have awful players....based on what you yourselves write about our squad members and the marks you award them in each match for their displays. I didn't say that was my opinion! You can't write such disparaging remarks as you do....and then try to argue that we have perfectly decent players! But I will say this now:-there are ominous signs that without Madine or a similar replacement, relegation is reasonably likely; with Madine or someone similarly combative who can hold the ball up and occupy defenders, relegation would probably be staved off. Like the tactics or not, some success was being achieved. What I've seen since looks toothless and has me worried.
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Post by Pedro on Mar 6, 2018 16:49:22 GMT
From BN today "..............but I also look at myself and ask if there’s anything I would do differently,” Read the forums Parky! You will get plenty of suggestions!!
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