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Post by megsontilidie on Apr 18, 2016 11:09:28 GMT
looking at our last 4 games, this looks our most winnable one. the fans deserve some small mercies and JP deserves at least 1 win to his name.
but getting your hopes up is foolhardy for any Bolton fan this season.
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Post by one2many on Apr 18, 2016 13:47:17 GMT
Thanks for changing your avatar, though the new one is only slighltly less offensive! Who would have thought that we might end up missing the ginger Morinho?! I have no confidence that we will get any more points this season let alone a win. In saying that, lets be positive and go for 2-1. Seems a shame though that we give points to everyone else that we should frustrate Charlton's brave attempt to beat the drop.
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Post by davidm on Apr 18, 2016 15:53:20 GMT
I can't make my mind up as to the result of this match because I am not sure what side we'll have for the game or indeed for the rest of the season.
Are we looking to restore a little pride at the end of a disastrous season or are we looking to build/prepare for next season?
If we are looking to scrape some points to restore pride (if that's possible), I think we will more or less have Saturday's side. This despite the fact that at least 2, probably 4 or 5, of the players won't be with us next season. If we go that direction, we may manage a 2-1 win but for what purpose I don’t know.
If we are looking to build for next season, which means no Heskey, no Wheater and probably no Davies, Pratley, Moxey, Dobbie then the likes of Threlkeld, Woolery etc must start. If that's the case, then we may not win but we will give experience to some of those that we need for next year.
I am in the second camp. I see no logic to playing players who will not be here for next season so I am prepare to see the youngsters probably struggle but gain valuable experience. Maybe a 1-1 draw.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 18, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
On the other side of that David, we are still paying those players wages and also looking to offload the likes of Pratley whose contracts have longer to go. Good performances might encourage buyers if the players are willing to be reasonable on wages otherwise we're stuck with them. Also, the younger players like Derik and Holding can learn from playing alongside the Wheater's of this world. I do agree we need to get as many of the better kids in the team for experience but if that means watching us get battered every week then no thanks keep playing a few of the oldies for the last knockings of this terrible year.
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Post by megsontilidie on Apr 19, 2016 11:23:46 GMT
We're agreeing far too much here Whites, but I think you are spot on there. i'm all for blooding the kids and hated DF's excuses of "it might break them " etc... not that he ever said that explicitly but he did hint at it. in a normal season, a bit of bad times won't break you. it's character building. but this stuff is seriously bleak and it COULD break them.
it's not just losing, it's not being competitive. just standing no chance..getting absolutely smashed, and repeatedly picking the ball out of your own net, barely having any threat up front.
a bit like the argument about competitive school sports. you want competition, but you want a fair chance, a fair fight. getting thrashed 36-0 as a school-kid must stand a chance of turning you off football. it might be keeping score but it isn't competitive. it does no good for the winning or losing side. a Boxer who lines up a load of bums to knock out will gets loads of stick...he might be winning..but the opponents aren't credible.
the ideal challenge and chance to learn is someone around your level or a bit higher.
if certain of our kids aren't up to that maybe they aren't the future themselves. anyone who can't be semi- competitive at this level isn't going to be finding it that easy in Lge 1. Maher has come in and looked decent.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 19, 2016 13:21:07 GMT
2-2 I'll go for
Can't be arsed writing any rhyme or reason to my prediction
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Post by megsontilidie on Apr 19, 2016 13:27:34 GMT
18 games without a clean sheet now ( hope RTF doesn't mind if i get that one in first ). www.statto.com/football/teams/bolton-wanderers/recordsthe BWFC record for that is 27 games between 1902 and 1903. hopefully this will be one record we don't break, but i'm thinking it might take the start of next season for it to go. funnily enough, the record for consecutive clean sheets is a much smaller total....just 7.. between Feb & April way back in 1900. as that link shows, we had a run of 6 consecutive home clean sheets in 2005 which equalled a record (under BSA) as well as the away record run of 4 being equalled twice under BSA during 2000/01 which was our promotion season. |
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Post by OohMac on Apr 19, 2016 13:42:36 GMT
If we can't get Wilder I'd rather stick with Jimmy. He has tried to work on shape and style and he's had a tough run in.
Obviously his results have been poor but Rome in a day and all. To write him off completely must be disheartening. A win tonight and he mood shifts and maybe he can show glimpses of a better future.
Think we will win 3-1 tonight.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 19, 2016 16:37:02 GMT
If we can't get Wilder I'd rather stick with Jimmy. He has tried to work on shape and style and he's had a tough run in. Obviously his results have been poor but Rome in a day and all. To write him off completely must be disheartening. A win tonight and he mood shifts and maybe he can show glimpses of a better future. Think we will win 3-1 tonight. I agree OM I think we'll do them tonight but I'll go for 2-0 as I think sooner or later the defenders will get the message that they need to be on the right side of their man, which must have been drilled into them after Saturday. Let's hope for once we can at least go home happy!!! |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 19, 2016 20:52:25 GMT
Where the fck did I think these two shit sides would score 2 each?  These turds cannot be polished, even by Mourinho |
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Post by megsontilidie on Apr 19, 2016 21:16:04 GMT
well the positives are the clean sheet and JP's first point. with Radio Manc doing the Citeh game, i was resigned to following the game via Official BWFC twitter. from that, it sounded like Threlkeld had a decent game. Moxey has been in a real form dip for "more than a few" games now,so that was a welcome change. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/bolton-wanderersquite staggering how big those points gaps have grown to. Rotherham and Bristol now have a 21 point gap on us.. in vidiprinter style..that's TWENTY ONE !!! even Charlton have 10 pt's on us. as Sid Waddell would say..we're not just an underdog,.. we're an under-puppy going into these games. as dull as it sounded tonight, it's still a good deal better than getting beat, or even heavily beat, by a side like Charlton who are going down with us. ***update.. just noticed Threlkeld came in at rb, and Maher switched to lb. the joys of following a match via twitter ! |
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Post by andyl on Apr 19, 2016 21:48:14 GMT
That was the worst game of the season. Two sides devoid of ambition patted the ball around midfield as if we were watching a pre-season friendly. Charlton were terrible. We were terrible. Our manager was an embarrassment not even making two substitutions, getting mixed up with Peter Reid when getting Wilson ready not to come on. It was a disgrace. I don't remember ever seeing so sterile a game . What on earth was the point of setting up as if we were playing Spurs? There should have been much more emphasis on attack;indeed some /any attacking play would have been an improvement.
Is there anything good to report in a game where we produced a Heskey flick , a Wheater header and a Woolery shot into the side netting-this after the same player had shirked two good shooting chances. We were awful.
So we got a point! Big deal! Who cares? I suppose Jimmy did because tactically. It was his sole focus and the limit of his aspiration. Whoever argues for him to take over please hang heads in shame.No! No!No!
In and amongst it all I was impressed by Threlkeld, especially when he came inside. I can see why he excelled in midfield at Plymouth. Maher also had another solid game despite being marooned at left back on his less good foot. But at least he wasn't Moxey.
Derik did well defensively but was lost in possession. Holding was assured but looked vulnerable aerially. Wheater was solid. That said a youth team would have had few difficulties thwarting Charlton's meagre ambition
Amos was abysmal. No saves to make other than a low one to his left which he laboured over. He made one catch,flapped at another ,was saved embarrassment by a defender's near post clearance and his distribution was appalling. He refused to roll the ball to Maher in oceans of space and to others. He all but got caught out kicking too late once too.
Mark Davies had one run. Heskey did what he does well enough but pointlessly and Pratley was quite abominable throughout. Totally lacking in skill. Clough was insipid and seemed to struggle with set pieces.
Amos 1 Threlkeld 7 Holding6 Wheater 6 Maher 5 Derik 5 Davies 4 Pratley 1 Clough 4Vela 4 ( some good movement but some dreadful) Heskey 5 Woolery 3
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Post by bonaparte on Apr 20, 2016 6:46:39 GMT
Totally agree Andy, no more to be said.
Joanna, Pratley was awful last night, any tempo built up was lost by Pratley, who often lost the ball in his attempts to dribble rather than pass.
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Post by davidm on Apr 20, 2016 8:34:22 GMT
Probably the poorest quality match ever played at the Reebok/Macron.
Totally devoid of any excitement. These two sides absolutely deserve relegation as they are awful.
I couldn’t quite understand the team. Threlkeld has played 20+ matches for Plymouth in centre midfield. He was even put up for League 2 player of the month. So we play him at right back. We play with the same negative tactics that we played against Middlesbro. Why? We were playing the second worst team in the league. It was as though we were desperate to celebrate a clean sheet.
The first half was dreadful and this continual passing the ball across the back four until one of them hoofs it upfield or passes back to Amos to hoof is dreadful. In fairness to the back 4, it is down to the midfield to make themselves available and move into space which we don’t do. Our midfield continually plays the “safe” ball which is either sideways or backwards.
I have lost all faith in Jimmy Phillips’ tactics (or is it Peter Reid?). I certainly do not want to see them in charge next season.
It’s hard to say much about the incidents in the match other than a header from Wheater and a deflected shot, again from Wheater, which went round the post.
A shameful performance. We will lose all our fans if this continues because it is not entertainment.
Bring on My 8th please.
Amos - 4 Not much to do but his ball distribution is awful. Slow to roll the ball out when the chance is there and terrible kicking.
Threlkeld - 7 Pretty good despite being out of his recent position. He must be in the team for Saturday.
Wheater - 7 Our only 2 decent attempts on goal. Got out jumped a couple of times early in the game but very solid.
Holding - 6 A good solid game again.
Maher - 7 Played well despite being out of position.
Derik - 6 Not quite sure about his forward play but steady.
Davies - 2 Just contributes nothing other than sideways/backwards passing.
Vela - 4 He was my player of the season last year but it’s a struggle at the moment.
Pratley - 2 Dreadful, as usual. Had the best chance of the night. Headless chicken.
Clough - 4 Did some decent movement but couldn’t link with Heskey. Some terrible free kicks.
Heskey - 2 His presence in the team dictates our tactics and we just hoof the ball to him. He wins a few and holds the ball up sometimes but nothing is ever created.
Woolery - 3 Needs to get a brain to work out what to do when he gets the ball. Ran into trouble when he should have passed, tried to dribble when he should have shot. Having said that he must play more to gain experience.
Manager - 2 Sorry but that was dreadful. We set up not to concede with little or no attacking ideas. Also made only one sub?? Why
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Post by megsontilidie on Apr 20, 2016 10:22:06 GMT
2 strange reports there from Andy and David. always enjoy reading both of your match reports...normally agree with the vast majority of it. both seem very unconstructive . picking for pickings sake. you were both there. i wasn't. so maybe the boredom and emotion of it got the better of you. as i said in my post, we're 21 points BEHIND Rotherham !. we're under-puppies. we'd lost the last 6 games in a row...some of them getting hammered. we'd not kept a clean sheet for 18 games. you're surely not expecting flowing football. we're gonna have to grind things out. confidence is bound to be low. get with it guys. you don't need to like that fact, but you do need to downshift expectations dramatically. most of our points were gained by players who made a contribution to those points who are no longer even playing for us..Casado, Feeney, Spearing, Prince, Wellington, Madine etc etc . you can say you didn't rate Prince but he still has more clean sheets to his name than any other cb ( see my other thread!) you can say you don't rate Madine..but he's 1 goal off being our topscorer and if you take Clough's 2 pens away, i guess he still is best from open play. you don't like Feeney either..neither did i, but again he has assists and goals to his name,as does Wellington etc . as they say, the table doesn't lie. and like i'm trying to put across..several of these new young guys like Threlkeld and Maher can't even be said to have played much part in earning what few points we have. mainly because they are at a slightly lesser level themselves or were judged to be. can't believe the blaming of JP. see quotes in link he's not sugar-coating it. he's said it was disappointing. he's saying he gave players encouragement to express themselves. www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/14438074.Phillips__Charlton_Athletic_point_was_a_missed_chance_for_Wanderers/Andy says Clough was "insipid". do you think he told him to go out and be insipid. i do think we should stick him in his presumably preferred position of the no.10 role / "in the hole". sure you could sub him..but who for ? Dobbie. someone who'll not be here next year. then you'll start moaning that we're playing players who won't be here instead of youth !?!?. Threlkeld... he's played right back for us before. so what did you want ? him to go to def mid so Vela could shift to rb or Derik could shift over. then you could moan about that !?!?!. both moan, yet both rated him 7. good grief !?! Moxey has been ripe for dropping. finally we had an option to do it. it was makeshift but it worked. time will tell whether it'll work against tougher teams. you both rated Woolery 3. how can you attack when the 2 main options are Heskey...dud, and the rather raw Woolery. Heskey has the hold up play but nowt else, and Woolery has great pace, and some goal threat..but can't hold it up. Mavies sounded like he was back to his usual, now the live tv cameras have gone. and i agree with David about Vela. normally like him but seems a struggle at the mo. playing in his preferred position should be linking up the team more & knitting it together. possibly could see more of Danns. but again he'll not be here next year, and i had seen a rumour that we have to pay a hefty bonus if he appears, which might explain his lack of game-time. Andy rates Amos 1 ! and David barely any more. again no viable option to replace him. no-one pushing him for his place. if you bring another manager in, how much does that situation change. it's that type of "Hobson's choice" situation all over the pitch in a lot of positions. |
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