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Post by andyl on Feb 24, 2016 17:21:34 GMT
In 1982/3 some three years after relegation from the top division we finished bottom of Division One and were relegated. John McGovern an ex European Cup Winner was given the job of player manager. He had no significant managerial experience.
We had some good players who appeared for us including Paul Jones,Peter Reid,Jim McDonagh, Chris Thompson,Mike Doyle, Steve Whitwoth,Jeff Chandler and Ian Moores. It was not a team that should have been relegated but resources were tight. Some felt Ian Moores did not do as well as expected and would dispute 'good'. Others were quite late in their careers or injury hit.
The record was
Played 42 Won 11 (10 at home) Drawn 11 (2 at Home) Lost 20 (11away) Goals for 72 Against 87 Pts 44
Currently Neil Lennon's side
played 33 Won 4 (4 at home) Drawn 13 (9at home) Lost 16 Goals For 31 Against 54 Pts 25
John McGovern is sometimes recalled as our least successful manager and was blamed for his results.His appointment tends to be viewed as a mistake?
Neil Lennon is struggling to match the 1982/3 record with 4 more games. Is Neil Lennon worse than John McGovern. If not why not?
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Post by davidm on Feb 24, 2016 19:32:36 GMT
I remember that season well, Andy.
We really shouldn't have gone down.
We needed to beat Chelsea of all teams in our final home game to guarantee safety. Clive Walker scored a wonder goal and we lost 1-0. For our younger members, if we had won that game, Chelsea would have been relegated to division 3. A crowd of only 8,687 for that match.Mind you when we played them at Stamford Bridge earlier in the season, the attendance was 6,903 - oh the mighty Chelsea eh!
We still had a chance for our last match was at Charlton and it was either us or them for relegation. We had to win as a draw would send us down. Remarkably we took the lead through the infamous Ian Moores (23 games, 3 goals) so salvation seemed to be there only for Mike Doyle to make a horrendous mistake to let Charlton equalise after which we just collapsed to a 4-1 defeat. Sad times.
One point to make was even though we finished bottom, we did not have the horrendous record that we have this season.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 24, 2016 19:56:47 GMT
interesting topic. www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-two-old/1982-1983/true-tablehere is the table from 82/83. 11 clean sheets. 1.05 points per game. currently we have 6 clean sheets and 0.76 ppg. I look to the comparisons with Blackpool last year with their "doomed from day one" type season. www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/true-tablethankfully we are beating their 0.57 points per game. we both have won 4 games but we should beat that mark. defensively they shipped loads... 91..again we should beat that. so far 54 for BWFC. Blackpool also had 0 away wins like us. with tough fixtures to play against Hull, Burnley, Boro and Derby which you can almost write off. we haven't beat a side in top half home or away. and obviously still not won away..in fact barely even draw away. the other 2 relegated sides last year, Wigan and Millwall , both got 9 wins and got to around the 40 point mark. 4 wins out of 33 games so far gives a win % of 12% for us. whereas 9 in 46 (for Millwall & Wigan )gives 19 to 20% 'ish. so going by that and the fixtures I can't see us making the 9 wins mark or the 40 point mark. projecting out our current ppg 46 * 0.76 gives approx 35 points. that sounds about fair, give or take a point or three. there's also strange similarities to the relegation season under Coyle. Mavies being played too much. that rash of sendings off after about 10 games when we went through 4 or 5 games looking incapable of finishing the game with 11 men. playing 2 wingers too much. looking dead and buried by November..but having a spell around January which gave a bit of false hope en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._season#Premier_League(we beat Everton away , and Liverpool at home, and deservedly drew with Arsenal at home..all in January.... ) this time between 28/12/15 and 6/2/16 barely over a month we've had 3 of our 4 league wins as well as a cup win... admittedly only via a replay to Eastleigh www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/bolton-wanderers/resultswe had the near death of Muamba last time, and the real death of PG this time. and tough set of fixtures early on that even on paper looked to leave us rock bottom after 5 or 6 games. that time we started amazingly well beating QPR 4-0. this time we started pretty well playing quite well and holding promotion favourite Derby 0-0...with rare clean sheets each time. |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 24, 2016 20:12:19 GMT
I love it when you lot take a trip down memory lane and also seeing those 90's pictures in the BN brings back some great memories. I never paid to watch in the early 80's, I either used to scrounge a complimentary ticket from some old codgers season ticket book or climb through those bent twisted turnstile bars in the Gt Lever End.. HaHaHa great times...
They great times can and will happen again, I'm sure of that and maybe this free fall from the Prem to League One might be the cleansing kick up the arse this club needs.
That said, if the thought of swapping places with Wigan next season isn't a spur for the management and players to get their act together and start winning games, then we'll never come good!!
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Post by kazooki on Feb 25, 2016 0:31:04 GMT
I can't see NL being in a job much longer, I think Dean will be quick to wield the axe and am wondering if our next manager is already being lined up in the shape of Phil Brown. I believe Dean worked as his assistant in the past and he's currently doing well with Southend, would he come though? I truly hope so, if only to influence some sort of fight to stay in this division. For the future of the club I can't see how much longer they can let this go on. At this moment I'd take back Megson with Dougie as his number 2 over the crap we're currently producing. NL's managerial ability is almost zero as far as I can see.
So Sports Shield have paid £7.5m and have to pay £12.5m over the next 5 years. ED sold the car park raising a reported £14m (£20m sale and - £6m to buy it outright) and Euxton raising a reported £2.2m, so he's realised £36m - the HMRC debt and paying off loans from members of the board and the Wonga type loan they took out. I'd say he's done pretty well (I heard he also demanded a life-time exec box) .. yes he's wiping out the debt, but how much of that debt was his investment and how much was simply interest upon interest.
How will Sport Shield raise the funds to firstly address the reported £1m a month loss and secondly invest into the team? What do we have left to sell other than the ground and training at Lostock?
All I can see that we will have achieved this season is we've stayed in existence, I guess in the grand scheme of things that is an enormous acheivement, but will Sports Shield be able to build on that or have they simply delayed the inevitable?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 25, 2016 21:00:51 GMT
Can't blame Neil though can you? Its not his fault the 18 players he bought weren't up to scratch and we're so close away from home, we've had some real spirited performances recently. So brave.
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Post by one2many on Feb 26, 2016 9:19:53 GMT
Can't blame Neil though can you? Its not his fault the 18 players he bought weren't up to scratch and we're so close away from home, we've had some real spirited performances recently. So brave. You should change your name to OoooooSarcastic!!! Is it really 18 players he has brought in? ALF and Bannan were good, as was Eidur, but the rest have not contributed much in a positive way. Amos i will forgive him because he was excellent on loan but has lost it this season. |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 26, 2016 10:24:07 GMT
Can't blame Neil though can you? Its not his fault the 18 players he bought weren't up to scratch and we're so close away from home, we've had some real spirited performances recently. So brave. You should change your name to OoooooSarcastic!!! Is it really 18 players he has brought in? ALF and Bannan were good, as was Eidur, but the rest have not contributed much in a positive way. Amos i will forgive him because he was excellent on loan but has lost it this season. Unfortunately lots of players play well on loan, to then get signed and revert to mediocrity, you only need to look at Feeney to know that is true. ALF was Ok for us but hadn't been doing much at Cardiff either before he came to us, or after he went back with just 3 in 21 and not at Wolves since he went there on loan with just 3 goals in 20. So the fact he scored 8 in 17 for us was exceptional for him. |
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Post by joanna on Feb 26, 2016 10:32:37 GMT
It's not just sheer pace that we lack all over the pitch; it's sharpness, mental alertness, quick-wittedness, reaction-time, speed over the first few yards.
It seems to take Madine, Dervite and others an eternity to anticipate and move. But clearly Madine keeps proving that he has the brains of a gnat!
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Post by one2many on Feb 26, 2016 12:30:22 GMT
Oi, watch it...some of my best friends are gnats. Well, they are (g)natty dressers anyway.
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Post by Trotter on Feb 26, 2016 14:15:40 GMT
If we are to compare seasons then we have to wait to see what the next 13 cup final matches bring saying that it does look likely that we will not match John McGovern season after all who expected Leicester City to be in the top flight this season never mind being top of the Premiership. Football is the most unpredictable sport that's why we all love it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 18:54:48 GMT
At least we still have a club maybe we could just stay up then start again with a clean slate. 13 games to go if we could just win 7 who knows its a lot to ask but stranger things have happened.  |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 26, 2016 21:11:57 GMT
If we could stay up Chip, I'd be ecstatic and I'd get my two faced fan head on and say let's give Lennon another season!!!
NOT..
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Post by OohMac on Feb 27, 2016 8:33:15 GMT
At what point in Neil Lennons managerial career had he had to dig in and turn things round? This is learning on the job and he's failing. He may go on to better himself as a coach based on this but seriously were on the brink here and just letting this guy take us down.
He should admit the jobs too big for him at this stage and we should put him out of his misery for his and our sake
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 9, 2016 11:04:58 GMT
Death knell last Championship fixture predictions :- V Preston - Draw 1 Point V Bristol City - Lose V Reading - Draw 1 Point V Brentford - Lose V Derby - Lose V Middlesboro - Lose V Charlton - Draw 1 Point v Cardiff - Draw 1 Point V Hull - Lose End of Season tally = 30 Points = Fkn shambles Thanks for the memories ED PG LSL GM OC DF NL  |
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