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Post by andyl on Dec 3, 2015 11:23:07 GMT
I'ver transferred the debate Joanna, Bonaparte and I are indulging to the Brentford thread and added my observations.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 3, 2015 21:51:47 GMT
Read that Blackburns embargo has been lifted too. What a contrast, how the FFP didn't step in with us is beyond me. They could have done us a massive favour.
Its hard to take that we are in such a state without really "gambling" to get to the next step. We only gambled when it was too late and I think we should be an example of what not to do when you are relegated. We used parachute payments completely the wrong way. Rather than ensuring our future we gambled on going straight back up and never even got close. We gave big contracts to old players on long time scales and in short we pissed it all away.
We should have offloaded all them failures and build a team for the future and we should have got a manager in who could spot talent, work with the youth team.
I think the league should have stepped in with financial fair play and made it so that if Eddie Davies wasn't gifting us this money then it would be counted as debt and therefore an embargo.
Bolton favourites to go down. Did bookies know a points deduction was coming? We ended on poor form last season but stayed up comfortably in the end. They must have seen something there.
I also wonder with all this going on whether Marc Iles and the people at The BN are ashamed that they never tried to get to the bottom of it and unearth some truths. If a good journalist or filmmaker can chase the money it would make for a very interesting read/watch. They stood by doing nothing, towing the line until a week before the 'end of days'. Pathetic.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 6, 2015 17:12:21 GMT
That's s bit worrying!! The 'King of Marbella' John Disley sat close to Dean Holdsworth at the ReeMac yesterday!! Are we being backed by the underworld?? Might not be such a bad thing, you know, bribe the odd ref, threaten the odd opposition manager into throwing the odd game, horses head on the odd pillow here and there, Yeo, bring it on..., Not..
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2015 20:42:51 GMT
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Post by andyb72 on Dec 6, 2015 20:58:36 GMT
I emailed Marc Iles this morning and this is his reply :- Hi Andy, Yes, it is Jon Disley, but have been told categorically that he is nothing to do with the Sports Shield bid. Can fully appreciate the concern - I shared it and have spent the last three hours phoning round and making sure. But I gather Dean only met him on the day having been introduced by a friend. Hope that puts your mind at ease a little, Marc
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2015 22:18:16 GMT
I emailed Marc Iles this morning and this is his reply :- Hi Andy, Yes, it is Jon Disley, but have been told categorically that he is nothing to do with the Sports Shield bid. Can fully appreciate the concern - I shared it and have spent the last three hours phoning round and making sure. But I gather Dean only met him on the day having been introduced by a friend. Hope that puts your mind at ease a little, Marc Find it odd that on eve(possibly) of a takeover, which is very touch and go Dean Holdsworth would be seen in the box with this guy and wearing a flat cap like a right Del Boy. Not the image I want from an owner. One things for sure its not Deans money so what we should be asking is who exactly are sport shield? I know The BN have said for legal reasons they can't say too much, which I think is a great thing for Iles and co as it gives them free licence to print stuff with little or no research. I can't see why legally we couldn't ask more questions and find out what exactly is going on? Also they failed to meet criteria last week. What is that and how have they amended it this week?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 7, 2015 9:21:51 GMT
Dean Holdsworth always comes across as a bit of a wide boy, so his flat cap is pretty fitting. Have you read his Wikipedia page? Had an affair with a teenage topless model, in court for punching his wife, appeared on two celeb reality shows great pedigree for owning a football club.
Sports Shield's own website hardly inspires confidence, they promise higher than average returns for investors, how do they intend to do that by buying a football club that is reportedly losing £1m a month....by selling off lostock training ground or euxton? And even if he didn't know this Disley character it was a PR nightmare to be seen sitting next to him, and if introduced to him by a friend, who is the friend who was a friend of the lowlife? This guy specialised in taking over failing companies and stripping their assets, before being sent to prison in 2013 for fraud.
I heard they were in Amir Khan's box, who is also supposedly interested in the take over. Was it a friend of Holdsworth or Khan that introduced them, whichever it is why would they be associated with Disley? Very worrying indeed!!
While on the subject of Dean Holdsworth, where has this sudden love or the club come from? How many games has he ever been to since he left? I frequently scan the directors boxes to see which players/managers might be in there, I can't ever remember seeing Holdsworth there. I know Stelios has been several times as he has drawn the Golden Gamble at half time a few times, and I think he still has a house in the area, I think I know who I would rather have in charge.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 7, 2015 20:48:39 GMT
Ditto rftr but beggars can't be choosers can they??
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Post by davidm on Dec 7, 2015 20:57:03 GMT
Dean Holdsworth always comes across as a bit of a wide boy, so his flat cap is pretty fitting. Have you read his Wikipedia page? Had an affair with a teenage topless model, in court for punching his wife, appeared on two celeb reality shows great pedigree for owning a football club. Sports Shield's own website hardly inspires confidence, they promise higher than average returns for investors, how do they intend to do that by buying a football club that is reportedly losing £1m a month....by selling off lostock training ground or euxton? And even if he didn't know this Disley character it was a PR nightmare to be seen sitting next to him, and if introduced to him by a friend, who is the friend who was a friend of the lowlife? This guy specialised in taking over failing companies and stripping their assets, before being sent to prison in 2013 for fraud. I heard they were in Amir Khan's box, who is also supposedly interested in the take over. Was it a friend of Holdsworth or Khan that introduced them, whichever it is why would they be associated with Disley? Very worrying indeed!! While on the subject of Dean Holdsworth, where has this sudden love or the club come from? How many games has he ever been to since he left? I frequently scan the directors boxes to see which players/managers might be in there, I can't ever remember seeing Holdsworth there. I know Stelios has been several times as he has drawn the Golden Gamble at half time a few times, and I think he still has a house in the area, I think I know who I would rather have in charge. I am 100% with you on this rtf. The Holdsworth so-called consortium scares the life out of me. Where are they getting their money from and what financial expectations do they have. Hopefully something will be put in place to prevent the selling off of assets - Euxton, Academy, Hotel etc, otherwise it will be asset stripping on a grand scale. I just hope someone less scary appears soon!
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Post by one2many on Dec 7, 2015 22:20:32 GMT
Bbc article just out claiming the tax man wants 600k or will issue a statutory demand. Phil G is also apparently gravely ill. Ironically, so are our accounts.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 8, 2015 19:18:18 GMT
re Sportshield, we need benefactors not "Investors". you simply can't make money short term from us, unless you asset strip. you might make some money long term with a rebuild job and sell us in the Premier League in 5 or 10 years time...but does a guy like DH who cheated on his wife with a teenage topless model strike you as a guy who's in for a quick buck (del boy) or a long term thinker/builder ? certainly not the latter.
the various interested groups seem to be hovering over us like vultures..waiting for us to go into admin to get us on the cheap. there's seems little incentive for them to pay the asking price now..knowing effectively the January sales are just about to start ( i.e admin) hence all the stalling they all seem to be doing.
but as the series of owners of Leeds has showed..kicking out the old regime doesn't guarantee the next one is any better. and Cellino is nowhere near the worst of that line..at least they are financially stable and are certain to not get relegated this season.
just as you think accepting administration would be the best of a bad set of options, Iles today mentioned that he felt our wage bill would still provide problems in league 1 with the salary cap. cue fire sale ! .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 8, 2015 20:00:08 GMT
I'm just disgusted that we've been hearing rumour this and rumour that and yet nothing is conclusive or factual. The deafening silence from all concerned with the sale/takeover is disgusting and leaving a very bad taste. I'm sure our once esteemed owner Eddie Davies did not get to where he is by being reclusive? I know I've had to stand in front of audiences in my career and spoken in public, so why does ED not speak to the BN and set the record straight as to what he expects from our new owners. Also, will he pay the £600k tax bill that has been unpaid from his tenure of ownership and will he stump up the alleged £15m we require to see us until the end of the season. I would expect that there's still some fight left in that team, as bad as they are and maybe enough fight to attempt to stave off relegation but if we do take the 12 point deduction, for me, there's only one way we are going, glamorous stadium or not and that is down the leagues to oblivion. Answers Eddie, answers, as I'm fed up with hearing from Trevor Birch about our perilous position. Had a few spare minutes today and somehow found an interview with Dave Higson, SuperJohn, SIR Nat Lofthouse and Owen Coyle, after the play off final victory at Wembley, it almost brought a tear to my eye to hear Sir Nat sounding choked and bereft of words, with his arms around SuperJohn, all I can say is that he would be turning in his grave if he knew what state we are in now.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 8, 2015 20:39:37 GMT
I really have to wonder why we spent millions on that crappy new screen, which i've yet to hear a good word about when we could have spent the money on...like paying the bloody tax man.
Shocking really. I think I could do a week by week bullet point on calamities that this club has made in the last 7 years or so.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 8, 2015 20:47:27 GMT
Just seen the staff may not get paid for xmas unless the club does go into Administration. I'm beginning to think if administration is the catalyst for a takeover and can get people paid it may be the best. If investors can get it for a snip they may reinvest it in the squad. A few loan signings here and there and some proper quality and who knows there's still half a season to play. 69 points to play. Give it a go.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 8, 2015 22:55:03 GMT
It's probably been said before but how much has Sly Stallone and The Muppetts cost for them needless Warburton adverts? A star like Rocky can't get out of bed for less than a few million, would it not have been helpful to our cause for Brett or Jonathan to dig their hand in the bread bin and keep the Wanderers alive, or are they not true Wanderers like us? #BanTheBread
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