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Post by Trotter on Oct 21, 2015 19:26:38 GMT
Here we go again another big game all in the name of a relegation game it can be said, we go level on points IF we win this home game against the men from Leeds, we can all cast our minds back to some great games against Leeds but this is now time for a great result. A recent chat amongst fellow fans had one of us asking what is our record for defeats in one season (blimey) anyway I looked it up ....... Most losses in a season: 25, 1970–71, 1995–96.
BOLTON 1 LEEDS 0 ....... coyw
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Post by Trotter on Oct 21, 2015 19:35:12 GMT
Fulham 1 Leeds 0 at h/t hence why I say draw level on points with Leeds, let's all hope Fulham do win.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 22, 2015 17:15:37 GMT
Neil's last game "AHEM".. Sorry.. Just clearing my throat Well it should be his last game if we get trounced After witnessing our pi55 poor showing v Brum, I left what little optimism I had in the chair in the East stand when I left with 5 minutes to go.. Steve Evans will want this, even more than Lennon, who looks completely defeated and out of his comfort zone at this level 1-2
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Post by Trotter on Oct 23, 2015 18:02:06 GMT
Add-on to my 1-0 forecast.
BOLTON 1 LEEDS 0 scorer Shola Ameobi.
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Post by davidm on Oct 23, 2015 18:23:49 GMT
Add-on to my 1-0 forecast. BOLTON 1 LEEDS 0 scorer Shola Ameobi. We can dream. Having said that, Leeds are pretty average again this year. We don't have a good record at home to them. We only have the 4-1 that relegated them to celebrate in the last 10 visits. Time for a win, 2-1 and the recovery starts!!!!
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 24, 2015 8:47:58 GMT
If Lennon changes the team substantially and leaves out the likes of Feeney, Danns, Dervite and Heskey then I can see a win but sadly I doubt that so i'm going to have to go for a win for Leeds 0-2. Can't see where a goals coming from but it certainly won't be from Ameobi. That's only for dreamers I'm afraid. ?
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 11:22:55 GMT
What today then? I hope Neil departs from 4-2-4 which is what in essence it was on Tue and we try 4-5-1 like Big Sam or 5-3-2 with wing backs not wingers
As argued last week I just want to see our eleven best players start..that might mean Heskey. I don't think he was that awful but I'definitely omit Dervite and Feeney. And if that means we double up on full backs why not. We have to grind out results!
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2015 11:57:51 GMT
The best football we played last season was in a 4-2-1-3. Danns and Davies protecting the back four allowing Chungy to have a free role. Pratley, Clayton, Feeney or Walker buzzing around the focal point. Sometimes Craig Davies later Le Fondre. At home especially that did the trick. We've lost Chung-Lee and he made that work but Davies has the quality to take that role on. Spearing or Vela could come in for him. Pratley could go back to his more advanced role on the left and Clayton on the right. Madine would get much better service. Team I'd use for my template would be Amos, Derick, Wheater, Prince, Casado, Spearing, Danns, Davies, Pratley, Clayton and Madine. As I say there are some positions that are interchangeable Vela could take the place of Derick, Spearing, Danns Davies and even Clayton. People have pointed out the weak links Dervite, Danns and Feeney in particular. This system would better suit all of these but I would use Feeney as an impact sub. Dervite too would come on to see out games and Danns for me is a football chameleon. He just takes on and reflects how everyone is doing. If we're passing and keeping the ball well Danns seems to step up and even gets forward, when we're against the ropes Danns turns to clumsy oaf and gives away dangerous free kicks and gets booked and flirts with being sent off.
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Post by davojam on Oct 24, 2015 14:45:32 GMT
By the fook, Shola Ameobi COYWM.
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 16:25:50 GMT
That was really difficult to endure, our worst performance of the season. No one in midfield wanted the ball and no one could pass it.
For some reason Mark Davies was moved into anonymity and departed ill or injured. Pratley, Danns, Vela and a dine whilst on looked half fit if that and woes piled up woes. In the second half we were on the back foot throughout. I don't know how with ten we made it through for a point. We gave the ball away all the time and had no creative play at all. We are sinking fast into oblivion For all that Shola Ameobi, unfit perhaps but showing experience throughout had scored a goal on debut after a scuffed corner. And soon after Feeney missed horribly when cleverly put in by Ameobi. I knew that would come back to bite us
They hit the post early on, Amos made a good double save or capture being a bit lucky
In the second half the game turned on a near miss by Dobbie which led to a breakaway a foul perhaps on Prince on the half way line a stronger break a stupid foul and a dismissal. 2-0 to 1-1 in moments
No doubt Neil will blame the referee buy we didn't deserve any more than we got. We showed resilience under attack but that was all. We were just really poor and yet more injuries will deplete us further.
Good points.. The rearguard action, Casado ' s fight glimpses of what Vela could be and more skill shown by Ameobi than the rest of the team , excepting Casado. Can I continue to inflict this torture on myself
Amos 7 (good saves rank bad distribution) Osede 6 ( fish out of water but stuck at it) Wheater 7 Stuck at it Prince 5 (Ok but a number of errors) Casado 7 ( a bit slow and out of position But at least a footballer) Pratley 2 ( terrible and bottled a great chance) Danns 2 Vela 5 Mark D 3 ( anonymous) Feeney 0 ( did he do anything right or even remotely competent, missed his only chance lost or gave away the ball. Should have been subbed Madine 3 ( injured perhaps sparing him a lower score Ameobi 7 ( very promising and a goal but not remotely match fit) Dobbie 3 ( terrible but showed what he can offer with a good shot that all but won us the game. Our goalposts (10) served us well today in the absence of any of the ten men routinely defending being anywhere near them
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 24, 2015 16:36:50 GMT
That was really difficult to endure, our worst performance of the season. No one in midfield wanted the ball and no one could pass it. For some reason Mark Davies was moved into anonymity and departed ill or injured. Pratley, Danns, Vela and a dine whilst on looked half fit if that and woes piled up woes. In the second half we were on the back foot throughout. I don't know how with ten we made it through for a point. We gave the ball away all the time and had no creative play at all. We are sinking fast into oblivion Oblivion??? Steady AndyL, if we're heading into oblivion, I can't see us making the play offs in that league!! We're obviously not going to sack Lennon the way things are going so why doesnt he just walk away from a job he couldn't handle?? He's not good enough and BWFC have been the crash test dummy to prove that sadly..
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 24, 2015 17:25:52 GMT
That was really difficult to endure, our worst performance of the season. No one in midfield wanted the ball and no one could pass it. For some reason Mark Davies was moved into anonymity and departed ill or injured. Pratley, Danns, Vela and a dine whilst on looked half fit if that and woes piled up woes. In the second half we were on the back foot throughout. I don't know how with ten we made it through for a point. We gave the ball away all the time and had no creative play at all. We are sinking fast into oblivion For all that Shola Ameobi, unfit perhaps but showing experience throughout had scored a goal on debut after a scuffed corner. And soon after Feeney missed horribly when cleverly put in by Ameobi. I knew that would come back to bite us They hit the post early on, Amos made a good double save or capture being a bit lucky In the second half the game turned on a near miss by Dobbie which led to a breakaway a foul perhaps on Prince on the half way line a stronger break a stupid foul and a dismissal. 2-0 to 1-1 in moments No doubt Neil will blame the referee buy we didn't deserve any more than we got. We showed resilience under attack but that was all. We were just really poor and yet more injuries will deplete us further. Good points.. The rearguard action, Casado ' s fight glimpses of what Vela could be and more skill shown by Ameobi than the rest of the team , excepting Casado. Can I continue to inflict this torture on myself Amos 7 (good saves rank bad distribution) Osede 6 ( fish out of water but stuck at it) Wheater 7 Stuck at it Prince 5 (Ok but a number of errors) Casado 7 ( a bit slow and out of position But at least a footballer) Pratley 2 ( terrible and bottled a great chance) Danns 2 Vela 5 Mark D 3 ( anonymous) Feeney 0 ( did he do anything right or even remotely competent, missed his only chance lost or gave away the ball. Should have been subbed Madine 3 ( injured perhaps sparing him a lower score Ameobi 7 ( very promising and a goal but not remotely match fit) Dobbie 3 ( terrible but showed what he can offer with a good shot that all but won us the game. Our goalposts (10) served us well today in the absence of any of the ten men routinely defending being anywhere near them I Sorry AndyL but I cannot agree with a lot of that. I thought our first half performance was one of the better ones this season. The back four looked fairly solid in the first half restricting Leeds to just one shot on target. I though Vela played pretty well just in front of the back four, being shunted to full back when Prince was sent off then back to midfield when Dervite came on. I thought he was a contender for man of the match. I will agree that Mark Davies was anonymous, as he frequently is, but according to NL, complained of an achilles injury....surprise surprise, what was stranger was his replacement of Dobbie...why not Clayton? How you can say Madine looked unfit when he was only on the pitch for 11 mins is beyond me and yet you managed to score him 3 ( 1 more than Pratley). How can you score Pratley 2 ??!! He busted his guts out in the first half, covered Casado several times, yes he ran out of steam in the second half and missed a good chance by choosing to pass rather shoot, but he's not alone in that, but 2, that's a Craig Revell Horwood type score. I agree with you entirely about Feeney, how did he, once again, managed to stay on the pitch for the whole 90 mins? He will not/can not take on or beat a man, cannot cross the ball effectively and the number of blind alleys he ran down I lost count of, and generally every time he got the ball it was the end of a move. How bad must the photos be that he has of Lennon....lol I am no fan of Danns, but didn't think he did too badly, most of the time. What was most worrying for me, was our second half performance. Leeds upped their game, as they had to, but we were unable to move up a gear to match them and once we were reduced to 10 men it was always going to be an up hill struggle and we did well to hang onto a point. But it's still not good enough, and we still look like relegation fodder.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 24, 2015 17:35:33 GMT
It's a difficult one this because we don't really know whether it's the players that are just entirely useless or the manager who is out of his depth. Probably a bit of both, but is there anyone we're likely to get who could do anything with this lot? Frankly, I'd stick with Lennon and tell him to just keep us in the Championship at all costs but no more signings. If it takes another couple of years until the contracts run down of the dross we're enduring, NL can then start to build a new team of his own, hopefully from the youth teams we already have. Whether NL would want to stick around on that basis I don't know but at least if not it's his decision to walk and it won't cost us anything. Hopefully he won't and will turn things around but it's looking a bit unlikely at the moment!! Personally if he does walk, if we can't get Brownie then I'd like Sean O'Driscoll who is used to working with no money and getting the best from lower level players,
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Post by spanishjonny on Oct 24, 2015 18:03:00 GMT
A more committed performance than Birmingham, we would have won "ugly" but for the sending off Positives, Amoebi, found the net when given the chance, showed some close control and shielded the ball well but didn't win many headers Vela was solid at the base of the diamond, made some crucial tackles, did enough to keep that position Dobbie showed some composure and skill to keep possession when we were under pressure late on Cassado had a great game, showed he was up for the fight and was very committed Negatives, Rush of blood from Prince, foolish and naive Danns and Feeney Madine concussion Davies Achilles Would have settled for a draw before 3pm, it wasn't the best or the worst performance for me
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 18:08:01 GMT
I think Neil had a better game save for disrupting Davies again. He dropped Dervite. He plugged that left thoroughfare by restricting Pratley ' s role. He quickly adjusted Vela back to midfield and saved the day at the end and he turned out a team with plenty of spirit. He put Ameobi into the fray and could have used Clayton. He gave Vela a chance..and that was not inevitable. All in all a 7 for Neil. He probably planned to put Clayton on later but injuries and dismissal frustrated that. Personally I would have subbed Feeney
Yes rtf a bit harsh on Pratley but he would have stood out more had not Feeney and Danns been so awful. He did play a role for the team and he did tackle. I could be persuaded to upgrade him to 4 but he's so unfit and all his skill deficits are magnified.
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