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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 18:10:55 GMT
And why o why did we see so many aimless and desperate hoofed clearances and indeed some daft infield balls we just got away with. We gave the ball away relentlessly. Vela gave glimpses of passing but seldom had a reliable outlet and anyway is a shadow of what he could be
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Post by davidm on Oct 24, 2015 18:15:44 GMT
In the end, a fortunate point where we just desperately hung on.
The shape of the team looked quite good initially - we abandoned the airy-fairywingers. Feeney seemed to start as the number 10 and occasionally threatened but wasted the best chance after an excellent pass from Amoebi.
The 4 man midfield initially coped.
We got lucky when Leeds hit the post from a corner. What has happened to our corner defending - all 11 in the penalty area, no one on the posts and just one man trying to cover the edge of the area. What a shambols it was.
Ameobi scored from a poorly-crossed corner and we got to half time in a decent shape.
What happened at half time? Because we lost all possession and Leeds just steamrolled us and should have won.
We seem to lack fitness. Danns & Pratley could hardly move and our passing quality has reached a new low.
Yet again, a poor performance - we look every bit a relegation team with little skill, poor spirit.
Positives came from Amos, Vela, Casado and Ameobi
Amos - 7 - good saves but terrible distribution.
Derik - 5 - just not a full back
Casado - 7 - pretty good
Wheater - 6 - a few good hard tackles
Prince - 4 some good tackles and good pace but poor distribution and then why oh why trip the man up and get red? Just let him shoot!!
Vela - 6 - welcome back. A couple of mistakes but very steady. Let's hope this is the start of a long run in the team.
Danns - 4 - seemed to be half asleep at times when he just stood and let the opposition run - look at when Leeds hit the post in 2nd half.
Davies - 6 - I like to see him farther forward
Pratley - 4 - not fit enough. He worked hard but refused to shoot twice when the chance came.
Feeney - 3 - looked possibly OK in first few minutes but caught offside endlessly. Just faded away and the second half was dreadful. Never retained possession.
Amoebi - 7 - some premiership touches in a good display. Hope he can build up his fitness quickly
Dobbie - 4 - almost a hero with a shot which could have made it 2-0 but his passing was terrible Agree though that Clayton should have come on at half time
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Post by davidm on Oct 24, 2015 18:22:30 GMT
A lot are happy with a point which is understandable when we could, probably should, have lost but a point at home is really no good.
It is relegation form and added to our pathetic away form will see us adrift by Christmas.
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Post by davidm on Oct 24, 2015 18:25:27 GMT
By the way Andy, did you see who scored a 95th minute equaliser for Forest?
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Post by davidm on Oct 24, 2015 18:27:01 GMT
Mr Trotter
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Post by Trotter on Oct 24, 2015 18:44:22 GMT
By the way Andy, did you see who scored a 95th minute equaliser for Forest? And there is the answer to our plight, Trotter goes to forest with all the faith and backing from his new manager, there is nothing better than to feel wanted and there is the secret - confidence, confidence is what Lennon is wanting to instil in his squad and for me it will come it has to because there is no alternative saying that lets hope Shola Ameobi proves us all wrong and be the secret ingredient we need. Example for us all is Burnley, sitting 2nd in the table and have yet to play well yet they are churning out results and as weeks go by their confidence is growing to the extent that I will be very surprised if they do not go up this season so that is confidence for you. |
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Post by bonaparte on Oct 24, 2015 19:20:26 GMT
I usually agree with most of Andy's comments so do not reply, but this time you are way off the mark.
Because one of his favourite wingers is out for 6 weeks or so, Mr L had to change his side.
He put out a team with defence,swop Deryk for Vela, that I highlighted after Tuesday.
Alright he played Feeney, but not as a winger, although two of his best crosses came in the second half.
Yes Leeds had the best chances, two off the post, but this was a better performance than Tuesday.
A rush of blood by Prince after he slipped or was fouled led to the goal.
But much to build on here.
The midfield battled well in the first half and showed some good tight play, but fell at the final hurdle, looking for the clever pass, not the simple one.
So Pratley, Danns and Davies with Vela as the anchor can work. Hopefully Spearing will be back to replace Danns soon.
Feeney sitting behind a striker, not as a winger could work, his pace helps, but his total lack of vision and shooting ability make him a liability, but Mr L likes him.
My scores:-
Amos 6 (fine save, but distribution not so good.
Deryk 6 (not much to do and ignored often when in space) Wheater 5 (found one white shirt with a headed clearance, one more than usual) Prince 6 (quick and agile but rush of blood) Cosado 8(hardly put a foot wrong, even when marking a giant no 9)
Vela 6 (did well in front of back 4) Pratley 5 (gave his all, but not yet at his best) Davies 4 ( some good touches but vision not on song) Danns 5 (worked hard, but his passing lets him down)
Fenney 3 (two good crosses avoids a 1) Madine 5 (not enough time to earn a good or bad score)
Ameobi 7 ( seemed to have so much time on the ball when he scored)
Dobbie 4 ( tried hard)
NL 4 changes maybe forced on him but ok.
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Post by joanna on Oct 24, 2015 20:09:56 GMT
Trotter scored a goal that Dougie's granny could have knocked in..... the ball falling to him from a couple of yards out.
Far more impressive (or frustrating for BW fans) was that Hayden White apparently scored a screamer for Blackpool. The fates mock us!
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 20:21:14 GMT
Trotter will always get goals. Good business by Dougie. We would loan or sell everyone if ever we get an offer-clearly. Trotter would have improved us no end today-not difficult
I can't agree with anyone who argues we were other than dire today. Our second ball work was diabolical today. Our heading was directionless. The rearguard action was decent and Neil managed the situations much better than in recent games but the passing and ball holding was absolutely terrible!
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 20:23:53 GMT
And in passing having just watched it Neil accepted both penalty and dismissal! Good for him. But....I think there was a covering player. Prince was an idiot to bring him down .
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Post by andyl on Oct 24, 2015 20:51:09 GMT
Trotter scored a goal that Dougie's granny could have knocked in..... the ball falling to him from a couple of yards out. Far more impressive (or frustrating for BW fans) was that Hayden White apparently scored a screamer for Blackpool. The fates mock us! It was an opportunist goal from a player in the right place. Trotter also hit a cracking shot which made the highlights. Grr. When I think of the sitter Feeney missed at 1-0. |
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Post by andyl on Oct 25, 2015 7:28:35 GMT
Also yesterday a second goal in a week for Sordell and even a good goal for Garvan. Bannan was in good form for Sheff Wed....
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Post by joanna on Oct 25, 2015 10:37:18 GMT
Calm down, Andy; you'll have a heart attack! We need you to return to more objective views rather than the wild assertions that are bordering on Piers Morganisms
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Post by Pedro on Oct 25, 2015 10:46:07 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 25, 2015 11:16:51 GMT
The best football we played last season was in a 4-2-1-3. Danns and Davies protecting the back four allowing Chungy to have a free role. Pratley, Clayton, Feeney or Walker buzzing around the focal point. Sometimes Craig Davies later Le Fondre. At home especially that did the trick. We've lost Chung-Lee and he made that work but Davies has the quality to take that role on. Spearing or Vela could come in for him. Pratley could go back to his more advanced role on the left and Clayton on the right. Madine would get much better service. Team I'd use for my template would be Amos, Derick, Wheater, Prince, Casado, Spearing, Danns, Davies, Pratley, Clayton and Madine. Starting line up wise Neil picked a similar team to what I said (Vela in for injured Spearing.) He had Feeney in place of Clayton, who squandered our best chance so maybe if he had played Clayton we may have won this match. But looking at the stats Pedro just shared and the reviews shows that this doesn't really work either. 3 shots on target just isn't good enough, you're never going to see off teams and eventually they will take more risks and most of the time will get 1 or 3 points from us. For this team and set up to work we need a strong Mark Davies and a good Darren Pratley. They are the key players sounds like both were disappointing yesterday and that's why we created so little. Madine went off after 10 mins, ironically you can normally tell after 10 minutes if Madine should be taken off. He definitely gives a vibe of "not up for this today" when he's not feeling it. I thought the red card was harsh, he doesn't go to ground it doesn't even look deliberate. Its just clumsy and i think penalty alone is a big enough punishment. The red card probably got the players united, like they had to up their game. Really they should have this mentality from first minute. There are loads more twists and turns in this season. I think one win could lead to two and possibly three but its hard to see where its coming from. Preston in front of the cameras next week. They'll be well up for this, have we played them since final in Cardiff? They've got 4 points from two away matches so are on form. |
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