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Post by OohMac on Aug 5, 2015 8:33:01 GMT
Welcome back all, decided to set this up now as I was waffling on in another thread and though a copy and paste job would save me some time later on. Well all the talk is almost over and its time to start the real stuff. We're second favourites for the drop and in the first two games we play the two favourites for the league. Though last season Lennon did restore a little resilience to Fortress Macron, very few teams came and took all 3 points with Lennon in charge especially when he had a fully fit squad to choose from. At close of play last season Neil mentioned he wanted 5 new faces in and that he wanted specialist players for positions, no more square pegs and round holes. With that being the yardstick I think its fair to say pre-season has been a failure. Brought in 3 new faces in Madine, Derik and Wilson and re-signed 2(Amos and Heskey) but not sure he would have counted them in his plan. (Also "brought" back Spearing, Medo) but after a summer of losing Bogdan, Lonergan, McNaughton, Baptiste, Mills, Andrews, Craig Davies, Odelusi, Wilkinson, Beckford, Gudjohnson. Its definitely been a case of shipping out that recruiting.
Back to the opening match though, and my Crtl + V bit.
I'm pretty sure derby will see us line up; Amos, Wilson, Dervite, Ream, Moxey, Danns, Vela, Trotter, Pratley, Feeney, Madine.
Don't believe Clough will be risked from the start as he's coming back from injury, same with Davies now(strange that we don't have to put Mark, M.Davies or Mavies anymore-only one Davies left now) Wheater, Clayton and Derik obviously out. Not seen much from Walker, Taylor preseason so assume they're not in the fold.
Could break it into two categories really, the simply not good enoughs and the out of positions/not playing in their best position;
Not good enough:
Dervite, Moxey, Danns, Trotter, Feeney.
Out of Position-
Ream(don't rate him at CB), Vela/Pratley which ever gets stuck out on left wing/left side)
I've reserved judgement on Wilson, but from the sounds of things he could go into both categories as i've heard him described as a midfielder who can play at the back.
So the only real players i'm happy with that are in the right position is Amos and Madine - and whichever one of Pratley or Vela does get their way.
I may be a little defeatist and we may go for Davies in place of Trotter, even that one change does completely improve our side, and in the future we could and will add Derik, Wheater, Clough, Davies and Clayton to the small list of players that are good enough and in the right position so I have more hope for the season than the opening month. Notoriously poor starters these days, not helped with the run in.
In short, Derby are very good attacking wise. The only question mark for them is will they gel immediately under Clement. My guess is that they will have that new manager good spell and that we are in a lot of trouble come Saturday. Bolton 1 Derby 4.
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Post by one2many on Aug 5, 2015 13:16:44 GMT
I'm with you apart from I don't think we will score. 0-3 Derby win and a serious wake up call to the management and the board.
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Post by BL2 on Aug 5, 2015 19:56:18 GMT
I see Madine opening the scoring and raising our hopes then Derby getting into gear and putting our dodgy defence under a lot of pressure. A combination of Amos pulling off some good saves and Derby missing good chances restricts them to two goals. So 1-2 it is with everybody saying it could easily have been 1-6.
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Post by Trotter on Aug 6, 2015 14:54:04 GMT
Tough game to start with even though we are at home, Derby are looking to fill one of the top 2 automatic places come the end of the season but even so when you look at their squad it is without doubt equipped to do just that.. But saying all that and how good Derby are both sets of players are facing the first game of the season which by no means it's a certainty for Derby due to the uncertainty first games bring, fitness I hope is on our side coupled with home advantage I'm going for a 2-1 victory.
Bolton 2 Derby 1
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 6, 2015 17:36:40 GMT
0-4 GARTSIDE OUT banners to re surface
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 6, 2015 21:33:52 GMT
Well Bent always scores against us so for me we're 1 down before we start??
I'll give Lennon a chance with his new team though and go for a draw.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:50:30 GMT
I go for a draw as well 0-0-
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 8:00:59 GMT
Very tough start to the season for N.L. and the boys. Today against one of the teams backed to win the league I am backing us to get a draw 1-1 I will be there so I hope we get a good turn out. Just to let you all know I will be leaving 5 minutes before the end because I am out on the pop in Nottingham tonight so I need a head start, sorry hope that don't make me a bad fan. Good luck to one and all for the season x
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Post by andyl on Aug 8, 2015 16:40:44 GMT
In the end this opener evolved into a battling and spirited performance which offered a promise of better times ahead. Assuming Ream is on his way Prince looked a better replacement right from the off, strong, athletic and aerially dominant. He was helped by Moxey having the best game for us that I can remember. Amos looked confident, the best keeper we've had in ages. So if Wilson lacked somewhat and Dervite. Madethree bad first half errors the defence overall was very steady and assured. They only mustered two chances for all their possession. Maybe they were disrupted by injuries but they weren't as impressive as previously and that was due to our energy, early season fitness and general will to do well
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 8, 2015 16:43:28 GMT
0-4 GARTSIDE OUT banners to re surface I now realise that Lenno came on this forum and saw my post and used it as motivation and it worked a treat Well predicted Owdon
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Post by andyl on Aug 8, 2015 17:05:39 GMT
In the end this opener evolved into a battling and spirited performance which offered a promise of better times ahead. Assuming Ream is on his way Prince looked a better replacement right from the off, strong, athletic and aerially dominant. He was helped by Moxey having the best game for us that I can remember. Amos looked confident, the best keeper we've had in ages. So if Wilson lacked somewhat and Dervite. Madethree bad first half errors the defence overall was very steady and assured. They only mustered two chances for all their possession. Maybe they were disrupted by injuries but they weren't as impressive as previously and that was due to our energy, early season fitness and general will to do well It was of course quite baffling to see Vela and Davies unused on the bench. Feeney and Danns were surely hookable at any point Pratley and Spearing battled commendably especially the latter who was so unlucky to be booked. He clearly stumbled and fell and did not dive. Madine impressed throughout and was unlucky to see two great headers hit the bar. He was helped when Emile came on and he too hit woodwork. We probably deserved to win but the dismissal put paid to that. Trotter did his best to give a goal away but we survived. There is promise in the team. Amos and Prince look better than last year's incumbents and with Osede to come in that's good. Madine impressed. We do though lack width and creativity in midfield. At the back if Moxey had perhaps his best game for us to date Dervite charged forward recklessly twice and all but conceded a penalty. Wilson was ok but nothing more..looked a bit lightweight? Amos 7 Dervite 5 Prince 8 Moxey 8 Spearing 7 Pratley 6 Danns 3 Feeney 1 (quite dreadful!!) Wilson 5 Madine 8 Heskey 7 Clough 5 ( a couple of good touches and runs but needs games and fitness
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 18:35:04 GMT
0-4 GARTSIDE OUT banners to re surface I now realise that Lenno came on this forum and saw my post and used it as motivation and it worked a treat Well predicted Owdon Thank you , I shall rest on my success and predict no more ,thus 100% for season 15/16
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Post by davidm on Aug 8, 2015 18:48:41 GMT
In the end this opener evolved into a battling and spirited performance which offered a promise of better times ahead. Assuming Ream is on his way Prince looked a better replacement right from the off, strong, athletic and aerially dominant. He was helped by Moxey having the best game for us that I can remember. Amos looked confident, the best keeper we've had in ages. So if Wilson lacked somewhat and Dervite. Madethree bad first half errors the defence overall was very steady and assured. They only mustered two chances for all their possession. Maybe they were disrupted by injuries but they weren't as impressive as previously and that was due to our energy, early season fitness and general will to do well It was of course quite baffling to see Vela and Davies unused on the bench. Feeney and Danns were surely hookable at any point Pratley and Spearing battled commendably especially the latter who was so unlucky to be booked. He clearly stumbled and fell and did not dive. Madine impressed throughout and was unlucky to see two great headers hit the bar. He was helped when Emile came on and he too hit woodwork. We probably deserved to win but the dismissal put paid to that. Trotter did his best to give a goal away but we survived. There is promise in the team. Amos and Prince look better than last year's incumbents and with Osede to come in that's good. Madine impressed. We do though lack width and creativity in midfield. At the back if Moxey had perhaps his best game for us to date Dervite charged forward recklessly twice and all but conceded a penalty. Wilson was ok but nothing more..looked a bit lightweight? Amos 7 Dervite 5 Prince 8 Moxey 8 Spearing 7 Pratley 6 Danns 3 Feeney 1 (quite dreadful!!) Wilson 5 Madine 8 Heskey 7 Clough 5 ( a couple of good touches and runs but needs games and fitness Agree with most of what you say, Andy. Moxey needs to practice using his right foot after the first half farce that conceded a corner. Trotter needs to be kept well away from the pitch. His one and only touch should have led to a last minute defeat. I was bothered when I saw the team (how bad is the team display on the TVs in the concourse? I had stand right up to screen to try and read the Derby team) It seemed too negative with no Vela and no Davies but Mr Lennon obviously decided to smother Derby. This strategy worked well and I was happy with a point. It could have been more but for bad luck with the crossbar. Overall, I was very happy with a point. Probably same tactics at Boro next week. After that, I want to see Vela and Davies in the team. Amos - 7 - not really too much to do. Wilson - 5 - not too sure about him. Poorish distribution. Moxey - 8 - much better. Strong, some excellent tackling Prince - 8 - excellent. A couple of really strong shoulder charges early on sorted out Derby's strikers. Dervite - 6 - A few iffy moment. Danns - 5 - worked hard but could not influence the game. Spearing - 8 - not sure about red card. I will wait until the TV later. Otherwise pretty good. Pratley - 6 - not the all action free running display of last season. Feeney - 5 - still not up to championship standard. Ran about but little or no forward impact. Clough - 5 - not his type of game. No free flowing football from us. Marine - 9 - hammered the Derby defenders. Hit the bar twice. Heskey - 7 - changed things when he came on. Unlucky to hit bar.
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Post by spanishjonny on Aug 8, 2015 19:26:01 GMT
Early days, think we just edged it overall.
Defence looked a lot more solid than last season, nothing wrong with Amos, Wilson is a REAL right back and did ok, Dervite finished last season poorly and Derick or Ream might be better but he did ok, Prince had good game, just watched his pre match interview on another forum and he could become a big player for us, Moxey is a REAL left back and he did well.
Midfield could have been better, Spearing, sitting deeper, did some good and some bad things but always gives 100%, if he had'nt gone off we may have nicked a winner because Derby looked rattled at that time, Pratley looked a bit leggy at times and I would prefer him on the right, Feeny wasted a lot as usual, Danns was the weak link for me, poor distribution and did'nt track back enough.
Get Vela and Davies back in to improve.
Up front Madine looked very good and was very unlucky not score, not quite as good as the Duke but better than Cravies, Clough struggled a bit physically at times and didn't see enough of the ball but no worries about him Lennon brought Heskey on at just the right time and caused havoc, a good tactic to have Overall a good positive start to the season
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Post by andyl on Aug 8, 2015 20:19:22 GMT
Early days, think we just edged it overall. Defence looked a lot more solid than last season, nothing wrong with Amos, Wilson is a REAL right back and did ok, Dervite finished last season poorly and Derick or Ream might be better but he did ok, Prince had good game, just watched his pre match interview on another forum and he could become a big player for us, Moxey is a REAL left back and he did well. Midfield could have been better, Spearing, sitting deeper, did some good and some bad things but always gives 100%, if he had'nt gone off we may have nicked a winner because Derby looked rattled at that time, Pratley looked a bit leggy at times and I would prefer him on the right, Feeny wasted a lot as usual, Danns was the weak link for me, poor distribution and did'nt track back enough. Get Vela and Davies back in to improve. Up front Madine looked very good and was very unlucky not score, not quite as good as the Duke but better than Cravies, Clough struggled a bit physically at times and didn't see enough of the ball but no worries about him Lennon brought Heskey on at just the right time and caused havoc, a good tactic to have Overall a good positive start to the season I agree. Danns at his best last year was wiry, quick footed and darting this way and that. Today he appeared overweight? But anyway he was slow and ponderous ever likely to be caught. Did nothing of note. Feeney however was far worse beginning with a feeble right foot shot he then failed with every cross - and corner. In possession he was dispossessed or went backwards. He didn't get past the fullback once and much of the time he was swanning about in the middle getting in the way. He tried a ludicrous back flick and gave the ball away repeatedly, once starting a dangerous breakaway. His was a desperately awful and dispiriting performance. Not sure why he deserved 1 really. Please Neil get rid now...
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