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Post by andyl on Feb 24, 2015 11:46:19 GMT
So what can we expect tonight?. A luckier ground than some for us over the years - at least it feels so. But they are doing well and we have stalled. Too far for me to go. But then I almost feel that I've jinxed my last three trips
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 24, 2015 11:55:07 GMT
I can see nothing but a loss out of this one. We should just forget February ever existed and come back all guns blazing in March.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 12:06:53 GMT
be very happy with a draw very interesting team selection ,bet NL has had a few bad nights over this one .
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Post by OohMac on Feb 24, 2015 15:12:53 GMT
Very worried to be honest. What does Neil do? Try and shut up shop and probably be picked off or just let the attackers do their thing and hope that the defence does wake up. He and Mjalby have certainly told them that they're not performing to the levels expected.
Think it might be a 2-0 defeat, I'm tempted to watching City and Barcelona and try and avoid it all.
Can't even predict a team but thinking (4-4-1-1):
Amos, Vela, Wheater, Dervite, Moxey, Danns, Trotter, Feeney, Bannan, Gudjohnsen, Heskey. Subs: Janko, Slavchev, Clough, Le Fondre, U-18 Keeper, Hall, Davies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 18:43:18 GMT
I think this will be a backs to the wall night I can only hope that we do not get another good beating the team can't take another one. Every credit must go to the 200 or so fans who are going tonight good luck, but sorry 2 - 1 defeat hope I'm wrong.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 24, 2015 19:00:34 GMT
In this most unpredictable of leagues, I believe we can go to Ayresome Park or Cellnet Stadium or whatever it's name is these days and do em over, just like that crap Yorkshire team Leeds did the other day Middlesboro 1 Bolton 2 In Lennon we trust.... COYWM
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Post by andyl on Feb 24, 2015 19:15:35 GMT
So,Le Fondre and Clough,Saturday's only half decent players and our likeliest goal scorers are rotated to the bench. I dread to think how some will criticise the rotation policy they so detested previously..unless of course they now defend it?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 24, 2015 19:36:24 GMT
Very worried to be honest. What does Neil do? Try and shut up shop and probably be picked off or just let the attackers do their thing and hope that the defence does wake up. He and Mjalby have certainly told them that they're not performing to the levels expected. Think it might be a 2-0 defeat, I'm tempted to watching City and Barcelona and try and avoid it all. Can't even predict a team but thinking (4-4-1-1): Amos, Vela, Wheater, Dervite, Moxey, Danns, Trotter, Feeney, Bannan, Gudjohnsen, Heskey. Subs: Janko, Slavchev, Clough, Le Fondre, U-18 Keeper, Hall, Davies. Well I called that one almost right, Janko in for Trotter was my only incorrect prediction. Trotter not on bench so assume still injured. I never saw Clough and ALF starting today. I think Neil thinks that in this dressing room there are very vulnerable personalities and he probably thinks Heskey and Gudjohnsen's presence on the pitch may lift a few of them. The mood from the fans is such a turnaround at the moment. People really questioning this team, the amount of players dropped and dropping the form player. This does have Dougie Freedman similarities. We'll see but after the interviews Lennon gave there's no way he'll make excuses for these players the way Freedman, and Coyle did, its done to them now. I wouldn't say its last chance saloon for some of these players as we can't bring any replacements in but their cards of Moxey, Dervite, Mills, Wheater, Danns, Trotter, Feeney(though he doesn't see it) will be well and truly marked. They need to reposnd
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 24, 2015 20:19:18 GMT
Time to bring Baptiste back....
Well at least he's scored tonight
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 24, 2015 20:31:50 GMT
Everytime I look at the BBC live feed and we concede, it's almost replica goals that are scored against us!!! 'right footed shot from the centre of the goal' !!!!!!!!!! That tells me that we're not that hot defensively in that area!! Or others areas come to think of it..
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Post by OohMac on Feb 24, 2015 21:21:29 GMT
First time in a while where i've taken an added interest in the Millwall result. The "As It Stands" BBC table looks pretty bad at the moment, but not as bad as Wigans position. BBC says Clough has replaced Eidur, Marc Iles says Le Fondre???
Anyone? Heskey is the captain.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 24, 2015 21:56:58 GMT
Oh well, that's pretty much what I thought would happen. We had to tighten up and that would always cost us in going forward and created. Didn't sound like we were out best today but still combative against a good team with realistic promotion hopes. Though Iles said we rode our luck and could have been down and out in Bamford scored his "easy" chances.
Its not all doom and gloom as one win against Brighton and we could be back upto 13th and looking for a top ten finish, but we need points on the board and fast.
For me I don't know how Heskey is getting in the game straight away in place of Le Fondre, who has a couple of goals to his name. He see's something in Feeney that I don't and Danns is another constant worry.
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Post by megsontilidie on Feb 24, 2015 22:24:38 GMT
never nice to lose but much better tonight. conceded just 2 shots on target, compared to 10 at the wk/end and 12 to watford. don't quite know why Andy is continuing this "NL is like Dougie campaign".. comparing his rotations to DF !?!?!. we played heskey and eidur away at anfield. we also played mills up top at home to Liv. most of us can see we've been missing the physical presence up top, especially against sides that are on paper better than us, or tough away games . maybe we'd prefer either ALF or clough alongside Heskey, but with the context of the last game...Clough and Alf..unable to be subbed for Eidur due to inj's and sending off, Eidur was as fresh as a daisy. ALF did a lot of his best work for Reading off the bench. and we don't wanna burn out Zach, he's already missed games due to a hammy. he's played mainly against top half sides, we've yet to really see him against lower half sides. Wheater sounded like he was immense. baffled as to why he was dropped v Forest. here i agree with Andy comments from the watford game..yeah so he was partially repsonsible for 1 goal there..but Ream and Dervite were worse. DW's general play v Watford was pretty good . good to have Janko back in..he was another surprising ommission in the last game. sounded like we sat pretty deep, 34% possession at end of 1st half. but i don't mind..we need to get over this conceding lark MENTALLY as much as anything. losing can become a habit, and conceding goals can. we've made a play off/automatic contender sweat to the very last minute for their points on their home patch. still tough next game, Brighton had a comfy win tonight 2-0. but we're generally a different side at home. much better. the good news is the bottom 3 all lost..bl'pool, wigan and millwall...the latter quite embarassingly 3-1 at home. Rotherham (4th bottom )also lost. it's basically "OPERATION STAY ABOVE ROTHERHAM AND MILLWALL". Wigan are 12 pt's behind us. a few random stats for you : www.whoscored.com/Matches/830346/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2014-2015-Middlesbrough-BoltonHeskey ..aerials won 15 !! Boros best for aerials won, got 3 Heskey had 2 shots on target..both headers ( on 45& 63 mins) Feeney 35% pass accuracy. ! blimey ! Eidur was the best of our starters with 89% Dervite was at his usual low 52%. ( can you still remember that BN article that made out when he signed he was comfy on the ball, and made out Dougie's new pass it out from the back was all gonna be channelled thru him !! . i commented at the time his stats from Charlton suggested his pass accuracy was only 2 or 3% behind Zat's ...who only had 2 passes in his repertoire.....pass it 2 yards square to his c/b partner or launch/hoof a diag to the centre forward) Bannan sounded like he did better. 77 touches ( 2nd most of any player on pitch ) 77% pass accuracy, 5 key passes ( guessing mainly set pieces) more tackles than any bwfc player 6, and joint best for interceptions 4. man of match on that site.
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Post by megsontilidie on Feb 25, 2015 14:10:15 GMT
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Post by andyl on Feb 25, 2015 15:28:45 GMT
I've had a bit of feedback from two atteendees, watched the video highlights and read some comments here and on the usual sites. The gist seems to be that we were a bit lacklustre in the first half, had Bamford been more careful we could have gone three down quite easily but that we did prettye well in the second half and had some good late chances. It seems Heskey was our MoM and that squares with NL's coments quoted by mtid above and indeed his own earlier point re what might prove effective
I was and am interested to know how Amos shaped up. There was nothing remarkable on the highlights but I'm given to believe he had an air of confidence. It doesn't look as though the goal was down to him unless he could have somehow yelled at Wheater and Dervite as they slumbered. I saw first hand at Nottingham the power of his kicking. We've missed that and it has to have helped Heskey. It would be great if he could replace the out of form Lonergan for a while whilst Bogdan is recovering. Lonergan was low on confidence even before knocking himself senseless last Saturday and it will be hard for him to come back at his best. Our defenders really need a positive, assertive and confidence-giving presence behind them. Lonergan will never be that. Maybe Amos can stand in. But he lacks experience and we have yet to see him make a really good save under pressure. In general Lonergan has delivered in that regard as did Bogdan. It's a decision NL has to make
It looked on highlights as though Bannan was deployed alongside Danns in midfield and that we didn't press them so high up the field? If so I think that's good. Bannan is a good passer and mover of the ball and Danns needs a closer ally if he is not to get caught in possession. Consensus seems to be that he has declined somewhat in effectiveness in recent weeks. Can Slavchev step up? I can't see Twardzik in centre midfield, despite the fact that he is the best header of a ball of all the options . Rochina seems to have vanished. Ideally Danns would have a break but can NL afford it. Another decision
We really do need a settled defence . At full back it's really odd that MacNaughton who did well last season is on the books but never gets a mention. I understand about loanee limits but we have really struggled for a full back so either he's unfit or has fallen out with NL? Unless he's lying slain on the training ground and no one has noticed or reported same? So Vela may well continue. Will Ream return at left back or did Moxey at last step up to the challenge. He gave a goal away at Forest ( although Lonergan was very slow to approach him) and hasn't impressed but we know Ream is bettr elsewhere. In the centre does he pair Mills and Wheater and stick with it? Or does he pair Mills and Ream. That's a tough call. Very few would argue for Dervite after the last few w games. I hope Wheater keeps his place because of all of them he is the closest we have to a centre half who can hold his own aerially
But in defence most of all I hope NL takes a decision and sticks to it. I have always been in favour of rotation of midfield and up to a point attack but the constant choppping and changing of defence, even if enforced at times, cannot be good. Nor can the switching between three at the back and four, OK if the players are good enough but not for our present crop who all have glaring weaknesses be it lack of pace, poor aerial play or just a lack of concentration at key moments. I do like in principle that Neil has thought hard about opposition strengths and tried to counter then but he tried to be too clever at Forest. It does sound as though last night was better. It is a myth that individual mistakes were the cause of 4*4 shipped goals. In the games I saw it was systemic and there could ahve been many more goals.
One of the systemic problems is the continued , variable deployment of Feeney. NL clearly rates him not least for his wilingness to play anywhere as and when asked. We have seen him on the left and right flanks, up front and at wing back/full back. I just think that whoever plays behind Feeney needs to be very alert. Several goals at Sheffield, Rotherham, Derby and most noticeably V Watford came after he advanced and lost the ball or got stuck with it or fired in a cross that took out several teammates and launched counter attacks. There is no denying that he really helps our forwards, can hit occasional good crosses and has assisted a number of goals, three v Watford for example but his pass completion rate stats as mtid quotes are awful and I have yet to speak to or read an article by anyone who really rates him? yet again we all , I think , have to allow that he does keep going and at times has been the provider of chances. Can he be omitted or benched? Should heIn favour of Janko?
Up front we have Clough, Le Fondre, Heskey and Davies, maybe Eidur at a pinch. It's difficult to keep them all fit. Neil seems to favour two up front even if midfield is over-run. Fine. It surely has to be Emile or Craig with Le Fondre or Clough to create the competitve element referred to above. I was surprised that Le Fondre was rotated out at Middlesbro and wonder if alongside Emile he might have profited. This is an area of strength and at points in second halves three or even four of the five can play together but I do think we need a bit of consistency for the run in?
On the highlights the game appeared to lack some intensity. It is galling again to lose to such a soft goal but attendees and commentators eem less dispirited than those like me who witnessed the absolute shambles at Forest. If NL learns form it and sets about Brighton and Reading with the same sort of inspirational attacking play we saw v Fulham whilst curing his leaky defence then maybe last night's result was not so bad. We need to win both of these games to keep clear of the dogfight!
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