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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 21, 2015 16:40:28 GMT
Quite an embarrassing performance Don't know who to feel sorry for, the traveling fans or NL!! If I didn't like him so much he'd be getting DZf type stick off me
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Post by socalwanderers on Feb 21, 2015 17:20:56 GMT
not the result I was hoping for!
Sorry chip mi ole son! Performance like that we deserve all the stick that comes with it.
Let's pick em up NL and on to the next game!
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Post by davidm on Feb 21, 2015 17:21:06 GMT
Pathetic.
The defensive set up was confusing. The midfield non-existent and the forwards got no service.
Twardzik slipped in the box to let Burke in for the first. Antonio ran from his own half and beat Mills and Dervite to score the second. Le Fondre looked to have given us hope when Clough won a penalty.
Maybe there was a chance for the second half.
No chance. Mills stupidly lunged in and got a second booking (first booking thanks to an awful lack of control by Feeney) and then Moxey messed up a header to Lonergan which resulted in a penalty and Lonergan being carried off. Heskey had to play centre half for a while. Heskey then messed up a bouncing ball for the fourth.
It was a shambles. Could very easily have been 6 or 7.
There is such a lack of pace in this side it is killing us.
No credit to anyone from this except maybe the 2 front men who got no service. When I say no service I mean none. All they got were high balls.
An absolutely stinking performance – shame on all concerned.
Lonergan - 5 One great save but should not have conceded penalty.
Ream - 3 Awful at right back then injured.
Mills - 2 Outpaced for goal 2. Part of an awful defensive unit today. Gross stupidity in the sending off.
Dervite - 3 Terrible. Slow throughout and in the end just resorted to fouling which got him a stupid booking.
Twardzik - 2 Dreadful mistake for first goal. Not a left back or left wing back. Subbed at half time.
Feeney - 2 Cannot pass or centre a ball straight at all. Wasted so many passes. His lack of control caught Mills out for his first booking.
Danns - 3 Just no contribution at all. Absolutely overrun – he just stood and let Forest’s midfield run straight through us.
Bannan - 3 A couple of wild left foot swings and I can’t remember anything else.
Vela - 3 Just nothing at all. Totally out of touch.
Clough - 5 Won the penalty but got no service from midfield at all.
Le Fondre - 5 Scored the penalty but,as with Clough, got no service from midfield at all. Stupid childish frustrated booking – grow up man.
Moxey - 2 Awful mistake for goal 3 which finished off the game for us.
Heskey - 4 Pushed back to centre half when Mills got sent off and then back up front in the last 15 mins. Bouncing ball caught him out for goal 4.
Amos - 5 Not a great chance with either goal.
Manager - 2 Really bad shape to side. Ream at right back or right side of back three – a fish out of water. Feeney and Twardzik as wing-backs? Not again please. Absolutely no pace in this side and it cost us.
I am a great fan of and believer in Neil Lennon but today, he got it all wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 17:34:12 GMT
Just got back what a total disgrace from the first minute until the ref gave them a pen we were shit nobody was worth there salt today it was a Freedman performance against a Freedman team what a joke. There can be nobody who can come on here and defend them players today because they made Freedmans team look like Real Madrid. God I am so pissed off I just want to get a bottle of jd and drink it. God knows what will happen Tuesday night one question why did we go to Spain?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 21, 2015 17:44:03 GMT
That says it all davidm
I don't really think we need any further player scores from other posters today after your damning insight into the failing qualities of BWFC If nothing else, Lennon might want to say that this was experimental to see who really needs firing off and who stays, but the worry is after today's showing, other than Clough and LeFondre, there ain't no one else worth keeping and that really is a worry Freedman has inherited a team that was sitting pretty on the top of the Championship early on in the season and I don't believe they'd need many words of encouragement from him to go out and beat a really really poor side like Bolton today. It's revolution time again I believe, of the magnitude of the Rioch/Allardyce era, so Eddie Davies needs to seriously invest, or get the hell out and let investors in that can help Lennon. Either that or we lose Lennon and head for oblivion...,
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2015 18:03:16 GMT
That was the worst yet. I did alert forum posters that NL was a tinkerer. No one backed me up. I doubt anyone will disagree now. What a mess! At different points we had Ream at right back, Twardzik at left. Ream ' s injury allowed us to improve. In my opinion Twardzik after his early gaffe was beginning to do well and was linking up promisingly with Bannan. NL'S response : Twardzik off, Emile on and after the dismissal of Mills Emile to centre half , Feeney to right back, Bannan on the right in front of him. Strewth! Dougie was bad but nothing like this. So good we have seen better.The crowd enjoyed Emile at centre half but he was quite useless at it. Mills was an idiot! And the timing of his dismissal killed any recovery.
In the end for the last twenty or so with everyone in their proper positions we did ok actually but the aura of shambles had left it's mark
Dervite was dreadful. Ream awful until injured. Lonergan fulfilled all my criticisms. Poor on goal one , dire on goal two yet again evacuating the near post and gave away goal three - poor aerially throughout never more so than when watching a corner bounce on the crossbar
And to cap it all our goal was very questionable!
Lonergan 3 Ream 1 Mills 3 Dervite 1 Bannan 4 Danns 6 Vela 2 Feeney 4 Twardzik 4 Clough 5 Le Fondre 5 Heskey 4 Amos 5 ( quite promising, some presence and a really strong kick
Awful awful awful
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2015 18:16:25 GMT
PS Forest were nowhere near as good as Derby. Quite ordinary really
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Post by davidm on Feb 21, 2015 18:20:35 GMT
That was the worst yet. I did alert forum posters that NL was a tinkerer. No one backed me up. I doubt anyone will disagree now. What a mess! At different points we had Ream at right back, Twardzik at left. Ream ' s injury allowed us to improve. In my opinion Twardzik after his early gaffe was beginning to do well and was linking up promisingly with Bannan. NL'S response : Twardzik off, Emile on and after the dismissal of Mills Emile to centre half , Feeney to right back, Bannan on the right in front of him. Strewth! Dougie was bad but nothing like this. So good we have seen better.The crowd enjoyed Emile at centre half but he was quite useless at it. Mills was an idiot! And the timing of his dismissal killed any recovery. In the end for the last twenty or so with everyone in their proper positions we did ok actually but the aura of shambles had left it's mark Dervite was dreadful. Ream awful until injured. Lonergan fulfilled all my criticisms. Poor on goal one , dire on goal two yet again evacuating the near post and gave away goal three - poor aerially throughout never more so than when watching a corner bounce on the crossbar And to cap it all our goal was very questionable! Lonergan 3 Ream 1 Mills 3 Dervite 1 Bannan 4 Danns 6 Vela 2 Feeney 4 Twardzik 4 Clough 5 Le Fondre 5 Heskey 4 Amos 5 ( quite promising, some presence and a really strong kick Awful awful awful Andy, I agree with most of your report but Danns 6? I thought that the midfield was awful today. Danns and Vela in particular stood and watched Forest pass and move all day. There was one occasion in the first half when I think it was Lansbury got clean through just by running into the box while Danns stood and let him. We had no control whatsoever today including central midfield.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2015 18:47:55 GMT
I thought he was the pick towards the end but he is what he is. Vela was much worse although he did ok at right back late on and Bannan was worse than Danns too?! No man of match today. Our best periods were at the end with players in proper positions and the last part of first half when Bannan and Twardzik were linking up quite well and briefly supplied the front two-one clever Twardzik header. I wish he"d left it as it was after half time. I lost count of the times Dervite let balls bounce-dreadful
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2015 18:53:06 GMT
And too kind to Lonergan, David ? At least the ref didn't send him off. He could have
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 20:00:14 GMT
Sorry Andyl the whole team was crap today and as I said earlier god knows what will happen Tuesday night against a very good side.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2015 20:53:06 GMT
Sorry Andyl the whole team was crap today and as I said earlier god knows what will happen Tuesday night against a very good side. No argument from me on that. I think I called and marked it so as did everyone else. I see Twardzik was injured at half time so that explains his withdrawal. Also injuries and dismissal probably frustrated ideas of Janko and Eidur. That is though four times recently I've seen us let four in and that's relegation form. And the fours could have been more. Now it looks as though we will have to go with our 3rd choice keeper ( although he may perhaps be OK)and I'm no longer sure what the first choice team is. From today Lonergan and Ream (both academic) Dervite, Vela, Bannan and Moxey should be dropped and Danns is fading under the Pratleyless load of our midfield. But we haven't the replacements in like for like positions Or indeed at all! McNaughton maybe?Wheater if fit? We have no left back unless Threlkeld is given another start. It's looking quite ominous. Today was as bad as Fulham away ! What a swift decline. Slavchev looked OK in the warm up! A shoe-in?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 22:50:46 GMT
I just don't know were we go from here I don't want to see N.L. leave and there is no reason why he should just lets get to the end of this season and stay up. There is no reason why we can't get the points we need to stay up so lets just get it done and no more bad days.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 21, 2015 23:10:24 GMT
I think today and also the recent past despite the results proves two things. The first is what a second rate bunch of wasters zFreedman saddled us with and secondly what a stunning job NL has done so far with them. There can be absolutely no doubt that if Freedman had been allowed to stay here we would already be in Div 1 and more than likely saddled with even more dross accumulated in the last window. This season was always a write off with what NL inherited and credit to him for digging us out of the mire we were in, giving us a good cup run and hopefully keeping us up and building for next year. Hopefully by that time many of our under performers will be gone and Neil can build his own team. I don't think in all my many years watching Wanderers I've seen a worse defensive bunch than we currently have with perhaps only Wheater remotely worth keeping. As for the others, Dervite and Mills especially the sooner they're gone the better, totally useless the pair of them. very disappointing today but probably more of a reality check than a shock.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 22, 2015 0:00:09 GMT
What a disgrace that is. You cannot concede 4 goals every game, which we have done in 4/6. Its just not good enough.
If Nigel Pearson does go, which he will, Neil won't be anywhere near the front runners as he's still unproved and untested, we're yet to see what he can or can't do.
We lost 3-0 last season so today was Par, but what a massive disappointment. I think this game meant more to the fans and Dougie than it did Lennon and Bolton, thats the impression it gives.
I have no idea how a team can go to Anfield and play so well and then shop 19 goals in 5 games. Its not just not good enough, its relegation form. We are still somehow, in serious trouble.
So disappointed in them today.
AndyL played devils advocate before asking does he tinker too much, are we much better with Lennon? Before today the answer was obvious of course we are. After today....of course, we are but come on Neil. Get it sorted
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