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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 21:24:03 GMT
I think we should wait till after we have played 10 games just to see where we are and if there is any good or better improvement if not cut our losses and get somebody else in before its too late. Still good point against a team who can spend almost 10 million and maybe more to come.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 18, 2014 7:05:56 GMT
I think we should wait till after we have played 10 games just to see where we are and if there is any good or better improvement if not cut our losses and get somebody else in before its too late. Still good point against a team who can spend almost 10 million and maybe more to come. The problem is spud, we keep "seeing after 10 games" or some other period of matches but it never gets any better. In fact it continues to get worse, I know it's early but do you really have any confidence things will improve significantly because I don't. I accept all the points about financial restraints and player contracts but at the end of the day Freedman has done nothing but allow players whose contracts ended to leave whilst replacing them with inferior players. Other managers work under just as tight if not worse restraints and do better than Freedman. His pre and post match ramblings and utter rubbish just wind me up even more as do his totally barmy team selections and rotations. He's in his third year now and we're sinking fast so no sorry I don't want to give him 10 more or even one more game because I've seen enough to know he's useless.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 18, 2014 7:11:23 GMT
'His pre and post match ramblings and utter rubbish just wind me up'
Yep... I can relate to that w63
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 18, 2014 7:20:43 GMT
If love to know who these awesome players are that you speak of whites that dougie has let go ? Knight ? Eagles ?
Great piece below from Lion of Vienna website....
I have loved Bolton Wanderers since I was 6 years old and remember thinking that I loved supporting a team that only a couple of my friends supported as well.
I have never written about my team before or spoken about them to a wider audience other than my Dad (who only pretends to be interested because I love the sport so much), an old next door neighbour and my girlfriend (who doesn't even pretend to be interested but still listens because she knows I need to rant).
I was asked to share it even further with this article about why I feel Dougie Freedman is the right man for this fine club of ours.
Dougie's Downfalls
Yes, the season and a half under Dougie has been a whole load of disappointments with missing out on the playoffs by a point a of a draw against Blackpool -oh what may have been! Didn't we lose that because of Rob Hall starting the game, the soft arse? Some things never change.
I think Dougie has made some poor decisions with his formations, starting line ups and a particular bug-bear of mine, his substitutions, mainly in how he doesn't make them at the right time.
More managers should take a leaf out of Jose's book and change the team when it is needed, not wait until the 60 minute mark because the team that started the game should be given the chance.
I'm not a big fan of some of the managerial guff that comes out after each game either. The often used character this and determination that but doesn't that come with the job of being a manager in any competitive environment?
Dougie's positives
This is where I believe I differ from the majority of Bolton fans. I can actually see more positives in what he is doing than negatives.
The signings that have been made with him in charge have been thought out extremely thoroughly, not like in the days of Megson or Coyle who splashed out on anybody they could get their mits on and pay them whatever they demanded.
I appreciate the fact that he has got rid of the high earning, underperforming players like Zat Knight and Chris Eagles, it speaks volumes about their abilities and wage demands that they are still both without clubs at the start of this season.
I think he has been savvy with Stuart Holden, he knows how important and how loved he is by the fans, so keeping him in and around the squad is very important, I still harbour hope that we will see him in a Wanderers shirt again.
The main reason for my support of Dougie is his vision for the future and how he is pressing on; despite operating under the stringent measures the board have put him under rather than complaining.
Look at Tony Pulis! Has anyone ever thought that maybe his vision isn't to guide us straight back to the Promised Land as soon as possible, it's not that easy.
We are a club with major financial problems, so the whole structure needs to be rebuilt and it is going to take a long time to achieve this. Maybe he is making a team to fit and remain comfortable in the Championship for a few seasons to become a club who can spend money on players again before having a push at promotion.
He is being clever regarding his youth development as well, we now have one player in, Cian Bolger who has been sold with what we believe to be a sell on clause in there, that's worked well for Bournemouth this season hasn't it?
They've only gone and pocketed almost £8million because they sold a 12 year old with this type of clause, maybe Tom Eaves will be the next one out of the door with a similar sort of deal.
My final point is with the attacking situation. We do look desperately poor in attack at the moment and yes, that is down to his signings.
Beckford is bloody terrible; I don't know how he ever scored all of those goals for Leeds and Craig Davies, well, he's a trier but considering his size he still can't hold the ball up, neither can he bring in his other attacking players or finish with any sort of style, he is all about pure power. Dougie is very, very aware of how poor we are in attack though and is working on it, but you can't go out and buy a Porsche if you only have enough money to borrow your mates Punto for a week.
Dougie Freedman in my eyes is the right man to lead us at the moment; he may not be the man to take us back to the Premier League but he is bright and focused. I think he will take us to a position of comfort both football wise and financially, so that whoever the next man might be can be our next Big Sam and take us through some glory days.
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Post by andyl on Aug 18, 2014 10:05:13 GMT
I broadly agree with the above and have written similar things on here. But havin g said that the LoV site's match report is not what I saw. Quite how they lambast Spearing who despite his limitations was the only player standing between us and defeat for much of that second half I'm not sure
People seem to be saying that Sat was a marked improvement on what went before. I'm so grateful that it was my first game then!!!
This game did nothing to spike the likes of whitessince 63 or Joanna's criticism. Nor were Forest a multi million team in defence. On that showing they will ship loads of goals
We had absolutely no creativity in midfield apart form a couple of Spearing passes and a brief glimpse of Trotter- one good surge forward and two good passes. Chungy caught the eye but has lost all penetration. We had no width. Craig D looked a much lower league player- honest but with no skill and precious little aerial ability save for his habitual leaning on his opponent. Medo was dire. Danns gave us about five minutes of anyhting the whole match
And time and time teams seem to pass around us in midfield at will and what's worse just about evwery team in te football league seems to be able to pass the ball around. What do we do in training all week long
As I say above I'm not blaming DF for everything and there are some good things going on. It's spot on re the substitution criticism. Yet again on Sat we were ten minutes late with the obvious. I'd hate to be one of DF's family playing hook the duck at the fair.Even when Beckford was to be in troduced we had to wait ages whilst he received last minute instructions. How difficult can it be to say get on and score a..xxx goal?
No, nothing on Sat to create optimism..Bogdan and Wheater were good. So was Spearing, so was McNaughton. And Mason took his goal well. That was it, wasn't it? Still there's always Tuesday...with two difficult away games to follow
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Post by megsontilidie on Aug 18, 2014 13:07:28 GMT
my god that LOV piece is the biggest load of twaddle i've seen for a long, long time. it doesn't even merit a full detailed reply. i'd love Julie Moores to have been on to tear away at that one. sounds like some wet behind the ears spotty 14 yr old . says some big optimistic statement then absolutely nothing to back it up with. megson & coyle just paid them what they wanted eerrr Gartside sets the budget levels. if the guys up for comparisons, lets compare their promotions. Coyle did it on a budget at Burnley playing good footie & not taking 3 or 4 years to sort it. so if you think he's crap , what does that make DF ? got rid of knight & eagles...like WS63 has said before.. so letting peoples contracts expire is now an achievement & not before appointing Knight as captain. slates the strikers...both of whom DF bought including one for 1 million quid. as for saying he's "CLEVER" on youth devt....my god. deluded just doesn't do it justice. LMFAO !!!!!! . www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28659561interesting piece re Ian Holloway : it's from 7th august 2014 Holloway got blackpool up on a budget...then also got them to play offs again..with a different team.including ince, matty phillips ( no charlie adam ) etc. & then he gets Palace promoted via play offs too. they must be on a lower wage level to us, or else why would Trotter & Feeney come here so far, they won both games ( 3 wins if u include the cup )..including beating Fulham ( one of title faves ) 1-0. & HAVEN'T CONCEDED A GOAL YET IN 3 GAMES. we've conceded 3+2+2 = 7. Millwall boss wants promotion challengeMillwall manager Ian Holloway hopes his side will be challenging for promotion from the Championship this season.The 51-year-old guided the Lions to survival on the final day last season after being appointed boss in January. "I don't want another two seasons like we have just had. I want to do better than that," he told BBC London 94.9. "I want us to feel like we can achieve things, be consistent and be fighting at the other end of the table, There's no reason we can't be up there." Millwall finished last term with an eight-match unbeaten run and Holloway is keen to replicate that form when they begin the new campaign. "We have worked really hard to raise our expectations and levels of what we do and bring Premier League standards to the club on and off the field," he said. "I'm pleased with the atmosphere that is growing in the dressing room as it is about sticking together and being consistent in a tough division. "We have given ourselves a points total and at the minute it is all talk. We'll have to wait and see." Five of Millwall's six summer signings have been free transfers but Holloway is content to work on a budget - instead focusing on forming a collective identity amongst his squad. "Other people will have move money but really it just gives them more to waste," Holloway said. "How can you equate one of our clubs buying someone for £11m? How does that work? "I'd rather have the people I have picked up who are hungry, want a chance and want to improve. "I'd rather not have that label of being the richest club in there as it doesn't always bring you what you want. "I'm talking about a group of people who are passionate and care. I want to see that in every single aspect of our play. " Burnley astounded everybody by getting promotion last year. They deserved it because they had a manager who had a vision, spoke about it and drilled everybody into having those beliefs. "They are an aspiration to me and the lads have also looked at it. If you don't have high enough standards all you will get is moaning in your camp."
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 18, 2014 19:45:30 GMT
Thank goodness the LOV contributor doesn't post very often if that's the tripe he comes out with. BTID you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's the best you can do. Maybe a little less of the attempted sarcasm and a few of your own personal views might be better. I know it's difficult to argue Dougie's case at the moment but I know you have it in you to cut the comedy and voice your own more articulate opinions.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 18, 2014 20:04:00 GMT
I've give you my opinions. Unlike some I don't need to repeat myself on every single post I type. Think I'll stick to comedy and sarcasm
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 18, 2014 22:10:14 GMT
I've give you my opinions. Unlike some I don't need to repeat myself on every single post I type. Think I'll stick to comedy and sarcasm Well when something about Freedman changes BTID so will my comments but until then you stick to the sarcasm and I'll stick to the facts.
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Post by kazooki on Aug 18, 2014 22:22:37 GMT
Millwall boss wants promotion challengeMillwall manager Ian Holloway hopes his side will be challenging for promotion from the Championship this season.The 51-year-old guided the Lions to survival on the final day last season after being appointed boss in January. "I don't want another two seasons like we have just had. I want to do better than that," he told BBC London 94.9. "I want us to feel like we can achieve things, be consistent and be fighting at the other end of the table, There's no reason we can't be up there." Millwall finished last term with an eight-match unbeaten run and Holloway is keen to replicate that form when they begin the new campaign. "We have worked really hard to raise our expectations and levels of what we do and bring Premier League standards to the club on and off the field," he said. "I'm pleased with the atmosphere that is growing in the dressing room as it is about sticking together and being consistent in a tough division. "We have given ourselves a points total and at the minute it is all talk. We'll have to wait and see." Five of Millwall's six summer signings have been free transfers but Holloway is content to work on a budget - instead focusing on forming a collective identity amongst his squad. "Other people will have move money but really it just gives them more to waste," Holloway said. "How can you equate one of our clubs buying someone for £11m? How does that work? "I'd rather have the people I have picked up who are hungry, want a chance and want to improve. "I'd rather not have that label of being the richest club in there as it doesn't always bring you what you want. "I'm talking about a group of people who are passionate and care. I want to see that in every single aspect of our play. " Burnley astounded everybody by getting promotion last year. They deserved it because they had a manager who had a vision, spoke about it and drilled everybody into having those beliefs. "They are an aspiration to me and the lads have also looked at it. If you don't have high enough standards all you will get is moaning in your camp." Will he leave Millwall high and dry when he gets them to the Prem and can't hack it again? Was listening to the six fingered freaks get beaten against Chelsea on the way to a meeting tonight and a point made was that the Burnley team featured only 1 player who was still with them after 4 years since being relegated, and he'd been there 11 years .. shows how good an eye for a player Coyle had .. none of his players are left there! Another interesting point was that out of a possible 220 players starting in the Premiership this weekend only 84 were English. No wonder England are shite!
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Post by megsontilidie on Aug 19, 2014 9:41:54 GMT
Millwall boss wants promotion challengeMillwall manager Ian Holloway hopes his side will be challenging for promotion from the Championship this season.The 51-year-old guided the Lions to survival on the final day last season after being appointed boss in January. "I don't want another two seasons like we have just had. I want to do better than that," he told BBC London 94.9. "I want us to feel like we can achieve things, be consistent and be fighting at the other end of the table, There's no reason we can't be up there." Millwall finished last term with an eight-match unbeaten run and Holloway is keen to replicate that form when they begin the new campaign. "We have worked really hard to raise our expectations and levels of what we do and bring Premier League standards to the club on and off the field," he said. "I'm pleased with the atmosphere that is growing in the dressing room as it is about sticking together and being consistent in a tough division. "We have given ourselves a points total and at the minute it is all talk. We'll have to wait and see." Five of Millwall's six summer signings have been free transfers but Holloway is content to work on a budget - instead focusing on forming a collective identity amongst his squad. "Other people will have move money but really it just gives them more to waste," Holloway said. "How can you equate one of our clubs buying someone for £11m? How does that work? "I'd rather have the people I have picked up who are hungry, want a chance and want to improve. "I'd rather not have that label of being the richest club in there as it doesn't always bring you what you want. "I'm talking about a group of people who are passionate and care. I want to see that in every single aspect of our play. " Burnley astounded everybody by getting promotion last year. They deserved it because they had a manager who had a vision, spoke about it and drilled everybody into having those beliefs. "They are an aspiration to me and the lads have also looked at it. If you don't have high enough standards all you will get is moaning in your camp." Will he leave Millwall high and dry when he gets them to the Prem and can't hack it again? Was listening to the six fingered freaks get beaten against Chelsea on the way to a meeting tonight and a point made was that the Burnley team featured only 1 player who was still with them after 4 years since being relegated, and he'd been there 11 years .. shows how good an eye for a player Coyle had .. none of his players are left there! Another interesting point was that out of a possible 220 players starting in the Premiership this weekend only 84 were English. No wonder England are shite! it must be awful being left high and dry with all that PL money and parachute payments guaranteed. i'd happily settle for being a yo-yo club medium term to get the finances perked up again. with all this contrary'ism your firing to IH & OC you're undermining DF even more. when Dyche gets relegated as he no doubt will ( well 90% certain anyway ), next you'll be trying to tell us that DF has a better record than him to, as he's no relegation on his CV.
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Post by kazooki on Aug 19, 2014 13:52:37 GMT
I didn't suggest that DF had a better record than either of them. What it might lend itself to is the fact that DF inherited a load of shite and has since had to get rid of it all (well, almost all).
IH inherited DF's Palace team whilst being in the top 6 and he maintained that and got them into the Prem, then .. when the going got tough abandoned them.
Yes, the money would be good .. but not likely to be of any use to DF as it would all likely go to pay off the bank of ED.
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Post by megsontilidie on Aug 19, 2014 15:28:20 GMT
the thing about football is you don't play behind closed doors. it's all out in the open for ALL to see. we're back to the old chestnut if his judgement is so good why leave a "great" promotion-bound bunch of players at palace to come to a load of crap. not my views btw, DF's defenders ( & i don't mean on the pitch ones ) want to have their cake and eat it. & DF only managed them for approx 11 games that season, losing his 1st 3 games lol... you can't claim you've done most of the donkey work in a 46 game season after just 11 games. having the players is one thing, setting them out to win games is another. besides Zaha is considered the real X factor star in that side. it was his rapid progression that anyone betting on that lge could not have predicted . otherwise they were thought of as relegation candidates as per their previous seasons form. & df probably knew that too, as he knew he'd be sold and be found out with what was left, so jumped ship. & where did that good late season run come from in DF's first season here....crap players or great management ?? . if it was great management, then why isn't it repeatable . despite losing our last 2 players of the year ( stu & cyl), & muamba.. Coyle took it to the last day in the Prem. i thought the argument was that OC did naff all on the training pitch, set up tactics wrong, was too soft etc...so if a good manager solves all those factors , drops 1 or 2 underperformers (zat !?) and strengthens 1 or 2 key positions & we're laughing. if DF really does think he's been so hard done to here...just walk like Pulis has done. go sod off to one of these other ch'ship clubs that will let him spend. but a bit like when Knight claimed he had loads of offers..and was just staying here out of pure loyalty...where are all these clubs now. ?? how monumentally embarrasing to have appointed this guy captain just 12 mth's ago....to loads of open laughter at a fans forum right there in front of DF. but of course DF is a pro..he wouldn't get proved wrong by fans would he. ( fans that had seen ZK play 10* more than he had !)
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 19, 2014 17:41:44 GMT
I didn't suggest that DF had a better record than either of them. What it might lend itself to is the fact that DF inherited a load of shite and has since had to get rid of it all (well, almost all). IH inherited DF's Palace team whilst being in the top 6 and he maintained that and got them into the Prem, then .. when the going got tough abandoned them. Yes, the money would be good .. but not likely to be of any use to DF as it would all likely go to pay off the bank of ED. Come on BTID, inherited a load of shite, yeah right look at what we've got now.
Don't you think it's slightly a coincidence when you go on about Holly that DF and now Pullis have done a runner from Palace? They didn't even want to keep Freedman a club legend doing a sterling job it looked like so what does that say when Dougie couldn't wait to get here despite all the problems. Since he's been here he's used our situation as a crutch to excuse his pathetic attempts to manage things, which he's done abysmally. Now he's crowing about getting a possible sell on fee if he gets lucky and one of his drop outs finds a proper manager who can bring the best out of him. What about all the players he's let leave for nothing or next to nothing? Every week that passes proves more and more his inadequacies and sooner or later management will have to act. Let's hope it's soon.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 19, 2014 18:15:29 GMT
I didn't suggest that DF had a better record than either of them. What it might lend itself to is the fact that DF inherited a load of shite and has since had to get rid of it all (well, almost all). IH inherited DF's Palace team whilst being in the top 6 and he maintained that and got them into the Prem, then .. when the going got tough abandoned them. Yes, the money would be good .. but not likely to be of any use to DF as it would all likely go to pay off the bank of ED. Come on BTID, inherited a load of shite, yeah right look at what we've got now.
Don't you think it's slightly a coincidence when you go on about Holly that DF and now Pullis have done a runner from Palace? They didn't even want to keep Freedman a club legend doing a sterling job it looked like so what does that say when Dougie couldn't wait to get here despite all the problems. Since he's been here he's used our situation as a crutch to excuse his pathetic attempts to manage things, which he's done abysmally. Now he's crowing about getting a possible sell on fee if he gets lucky and one of his drop outs finds a proper manager who can bring the best out of him. What about all the players he's let leave for nothing or next to nothing? Every week that passes proves more and more his inadequacies and sooner or later management will have to act. Let's hope it's soon.BTID ? See ! You're so busy rushing to get more tripe on site you didn't even stop to see who posted
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