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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 16, 2014 19:18:47 GMT
The entertainment value is minus shit admittedly. I'm confident it will slowly return as further players are signed. Let's hope the promised attacking reinforcements materialise this week
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Post by andyl on Aug 16, 2014 19:27:41 GMT
Yes goals are the statistic that counts. Today we had 4 chances.We scored two.Wheater planted a header for 3-1 just wide and Craig Davies powered a diving header over the bar from close in.
Bogdan denied two close range Forest efforts they scored two one a penalty and missed a glancing header which we all thought was in.In the end it came down to Craig Davies v this chance. Both Davies chances were typical of goals Nathan Blake used to score with ease when we were at the top of this league
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Post by kazooki on Aug 16, 2014 20:04:43 GMT
Forgot about that Davies miss .. he should have at least hit the target. Glorious opportunity.
Is it just me or do none of our players want the ball from throw-ins? Lost count of the number of times Naughton/Ream threw it down the wing only for a Forest player to come away with it.
Better performance than the Watford and Bury matches, but still someway short.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 20:12:01 GMT
stats mean nothing ,the only ones that count are goals for and goals against , you can have all the ball you want but you wont get any extra points ,get my drift?
[/quote] You are correct, the most important stat is goals for/against.... However, I think you'd have to concede that the more you have the ball & the more shots you have, particularly those on target you have and the more corners you have - the more likely you are to score more and concede less thus improving those more important stats that you are interested in!![/quote][/p]
strange as it may seem I watched bwfc under 18s play manure united the score 0-0- and united hit the crossbar and had most if not nearly all the play but still could not score ,its goals that count said one of the very biased commentators never a truer word was spoken .
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Post by bonaparte on Aug 16, 2014 20:39:51 GMT
For a whole five minutes I thought DF had worked a miracle, 4-4-2 (sorry Andy, clearly was) and a goal up. Quick midfield, no Pratley or Trotter, the team looked dynamic. But downhill from then. Long punts from the back, invariably losing possession and stressing both midfield and defense, nothing new there. Throw ins to the big forwards (ala super KD) but losing possession, ditto repeato. Mix up in defense goal, defender scores our first goal in open play, then stupid tackle in the penalty area on a forward who was going away from goal, penalty. Forest in the ascendancy from then on. Hung on for a draw. Phew. Horror of horrors DF used substitues before the 85th minute!!!!!!!!! Andy, I know you like Trotter, but not for me, he made one reasonably telling pass, the rest were routine sideways or back (nearly gave an opportunity to Forest with one). Pratley ran about, doing what I could not tell. Beckford on as Davies was clearly knackered. So what conclusions do I draw, DF maybe has a) given up on his narrow diamond formation, and gone back to 4-4-2 lathough his widemen were not very wide b) given up on his passing game and gone back to long punts from keeper or defenders c) insists that all eleven are back in the penalty area to defend corners d) has no other plan for throw ins but to aim at a big forward and lose possession and finally e) will get Pratley and Trotter (both have little pace) on for some part of the game. I look forward to his starting squad for the Middlesborough game.
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Post by megsontilidie on Aug 16, 2014 20:45:06 GMT
i'll go slightly optimistic for me..and say 1-1.. partly 'cos i don't rate Stuart Pearce at all. as WJ says above, it'll be hard for the lads to have drawn any confidence from the Bury game with such a flat performance. when will we ever START a game well ??! . the main problem v Bury seemed to be the centre mids of Pratley and Trotter. i'm guessing Medo & Spearing will be back for this one. well, i got the result right, if not the score. quite pleased with the result. less so with the performance. think i'm going to get quite bored of repeating the DF controlling from the back thread lark. 42% possession. we did better in 2nd part of the 2nd half keeping it a little better and restricting their chances. started well for once and got on top, and a chance for the crowd to follow. agree with Pedro, when are we going to put 2 halves together ?? Bogdan did well. with Lonergan in goal, we'd have lost this one. 7 shots on target from them. 5 saves for A.B. Lonergan only made 2 saves v Watford. seemed a bit more solid with Wheats in there too. Ream after his good season last year, has to watch himself. errors v Vydra, and struggling again today. i presume, as has been said, he's saving Feeney for Tuesday. but then again how does he fit in with this " 4 diamond 2" formation with little width. he'd been our best player so far in previous 2 games, then doesn't play a second here...rotation strikes again ! v Watford we had the lowest tackles per game of any side in the Div..just 11. much better on that score today. 25 to their 15. instead of only having 1 player with more than 1 tackle. this time we had 5. 8 for Mills. 5 each for spearing and mcnaughton . 2 each for ream & chungy. still struggling to score from open play. none v watford, and none v Bury. nothing truly created today that went in. it's not that we're missing that many chances. not creating much, which begs the question will a striker really solve our troubles. well obviously a Juke style one will help, but as SurreyWhite says on the tfr thread, rumours of a 20 goal striker..this guy will have to be pretty special to get 20 goals and create for himself, and hold it up etc !!! overall, as McGinlay said on GMR post-game, it was better than the 2 previous games, but still much room for improvement.
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Post by megsontilidie on Aug 16, 2014 20:59:24 GMT
For a whole five minutes I thought DF had worked a miracle, 4-4-2 (sorry Andy, clearly was) and a goal up. Quick midfield, no Pratley or Trotter, the team looked dynamic. But downhill from then. Long punts from the back, invariably losing possession and stressing both midfield and defense, nothing new there. Throw ins to the big forwards (ala super KD) but losing possession, ditto repeato. Mix up in defense goal, defender scores our first goal in open play, then stupid tackle in the penalty area on a forward who was going away from goal, penalty. Forest in the ascendancy from then on. Hung on for a draw. Phew. Horror of horrors DF used substitues before the 85th minute!!!!!!!!! Andy, I know you like Trotter, but not for me, he made one reasonably telling pass, the rest were routine sideways or back (nearly gave an opportunity to Forest with one). Pratley ran about, doing what I could not tell. Beckford on as Davies was clearly knackered. So what conclusions do I draw, DF maybe has a) given up on his narrow diamond formation, and gone back to 4-4-2 lathough his widemen were not very wide b) given up on his passing game and gone back to long punts from keeper or defenders c) insists that all eleven are back in the penalty area to defend corners d) has no other plan for throw ins but to aim at a big forward and lose possession and finally e) will get Pratley and Trotter (both have little pace) on for some part of the game. I look forward to his starting squad for the Middlesborough game. agree with most of the rest Bonaparte, but don't know how you see he's given up on diamond. it was a diamond. Kcobain a page back has already said same as me. plus Df says here, Danns was behind the 2 strikers. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo9ihG-QhoA&list=UU6oTkDRXLR6GO53l44i0LFwwww.whoscored.com/Matches/829912/MatchReport/England-Championship-2014-2015-Bolton-Nottingham-Forestand if you check out the players average positions here..see tab near bottom. JS at base, Lee left, Medo right ( either an off- day or uncomfy out there ) and Danns at the top point behind strikers.
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Post by andyl on Aug 16, 2014 21:08:21 GMT
Kazooki, you are so right to raise the matter of throw- ins. We were so static. No one other than Craig D showed for any of them. But I would link this point to my query re Bonaparte's assertion that we played 4-4-2. I saw Medo stranded on the right unsure whether to protect MCNaughton or go forward. For me he did his only decent contributions when advanced Chungy was on the left and never the right where for me he performs better. Spearing was central and quite deep not I think the base of a diamond or if he was he didn't stay there. But what on earth was Danns doing. He flickered a bit on the flanks. He certainly wasn't prompting the forwards. At throw ins he was the free man and he invariably stood still and out of the way of passes. Towards the end of his contribution he had stopped back tackling or doing anything very much. In my opinion he's not a very good player . But he certainly didn't make up a 4-4-2. Nor was he in a diamond. He was everywhere and more commonly nowhere. It was noticeable how often Reid set up in his orbit.
We had no flank play until Ream once and McNaughton twice pressed on. Craig D and Mason ran channels well once each but not otherwise.
And yes Bogdan punted but he also did three excellent quick releases. We certainly didn't play from the back.
I accept Bonaparte that they may have been trying to lay 4-4-2 but you must surely acknowledge that they didn't achieve it. Forest controlled the midfield and outnumbered whoever of the 4 happened to be around.
So many teams come to us and pass the ball at will. What sticks with me is that whilst we may profess to pass the ball we seem never to do it for any length of time. Our need of a composed midfielder who can hold the ball and pass it forwards and accurately screams out to me
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 16, 2014 21:16:47 GMT
You're right mtid was definitely diamond.
Mark Davies will eventually play behind two attackers and surely feeney will play on the wing instead of medo who just wasn't comfortable. If we can also get a decent centre back and play ream in front of the defence, we will definitely see a huge benefit !!
trouble is with that is ream will be battling with spearing but he really isn't a defender, it's been proven
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Post by kcobain4 on Aug 16, 2014 21:34:49 GMT
You're right mtid was definitely diamond. Mark Davies will eventually play behind two attackers and surely feeney will play on the wing instead of medo who just wasn't comfortable. If we can also get a decent centre back and play ream in front of the defence, we will definitely see a huge benefit !! trouble is with that is ream will be battling with spearing but he really isn't a defender, it's been proven The problem with Feeney is that he is an old style winger...he is more effective when playing close to the side line and from his 1 month last year his best attribute was those low crosses , which we haven't seen yet from him this year. I think Mavies will play behind the strikers, with Danns out right and chungy on the left, along with spearing in the base. This group of players will give the midfield diamond a more balanced approach. Feeney and Hall will be options to use when more width is required, Medo is the same with spearing...Pratley is the headless chicken u need to fit in the middle of the park when u want to fresh up ur midfield and trotter (despite Andyl's detailed analysis in the past) still can't see what he brings to the team. He is to lethargic, slow and doesn't seem to bother to comit in either defending or attacking duties, best example was on Tuesday against League 2 Bury...he lost the ball in the middle of the park and he started after a couple of seconds of pondering "what should I do?" To chase his player running towards our box....after few meters he just gave up and started walking towards the play. By the time he reached the box...bury had already had a good chance, bringing a good save from Bogdan and a corner for Bury! We need a target man up front...and any upgrade to our current bunch of midfielders in a loan will be welcomed. After that is up to mr freedman to provide some consistency and continuation to the team and the way we are playing.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 17, 2014 6:46:03 GMT
Even more amazing is that w63 is usually on within minutes of a defeat and remains on for hours and days with the same old rubbish. A slightly more positive result and he's not seen for dust !!!! Laughable!! come on w63 we know you've been online can you not quite pull yourself out of your depression to type a bit of credit after your months of droning on ?
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 17, 2014 7:58:18 GMT
Even more amazing is that w63 is usually on within minutes of a defeat and remains on for hours and days with the same old rubbish. A slightly more positive result and he's not seen for dust !!!! Laughable!! come on w63 we know you've been online can you not quite pull yourself out of your depression to type a bit of credit after your months of droning on ? BTID, when I comment you tell me not to and when I don't you complain I haven't. Come on, I didn't comment about your invisibility until now but I know how much a scrappy point means to you so I'll let you have your moment. Actually I was up in a rather cool Whitby with the Grand daughters yesterday so I didn't get back until later last night but I was also pleased with a point, though it doesn't sound as though the performance was appreciably better from all the accounts on here. One swallow does not a summer make so we'll see how future efforts turn out. Hopefully better but I'm not confident as you well know. As for giving credit, they'll get that when they earn it but that's not yet.
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Post by bonaparte on Aug 17, 2014 8:22:54 GMT
Okay, I am outvoted on the diamond, but I did not see that shape on the pitch, I saw Spearing and Medo in front of the back four and Chongy and Dans as narrow wingers. I saw little of the full backs making the width in attack, maybe I need to go to Specsavers!!!!!
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 17, 2014 10:03:40 GMT
Even more amazing is that w63 is usually on within minutes of a defeat and remains on for hours and days with the same old rubbish. A slightly more positive result and he's not seen for dust !!!! Laughable!! come on w63 we know you've been online can you not quite pull yourself out of your depression to type a bit of credit after your months of droning on ? BTID, when I comment you tell me not to and when I don't you complain I haven't. Come on, I didn't comment about your invisibility until now but I know how much a scrappy point means to you so I'll let you have your moment. Actually I was up in a rather cool Whitby with the Grand daughters yesterday so I didn't get back until later last night but I was also pleased with a point, though it doesn't sound as though the performance was appreciably better from all the accounts on here. One swallow does not a summer make so we'll see how future efforts turn out. Hopefully better but I'm not confident as you well know. As for giving credit, they'll get that when they earn it but that's not yet. I comment on every game ? Your right though one swallow doesn't make a summer? Maybes should have remembered that after the Watford game when you was very quick off the mark? As for giving credit... The players earned a point against a decent team, maybe try n give some credit for earning the point !! My invisibility was simply down to not wanting to read repetitive nonsense right through close season from yourself. Boring and it became an itch that I just couldn't be arsed scratching. I still comment after every game whether I've been or not ? If we've played shite I state it, but no matter what, give credit for a result if it's gone our way. Yesterday was a point against the odds ! FACT !!
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 17, 2014 11:05:36 GMT
Look BTID we all want to give credit for good performances but I'm not seeing them yet. Just getting a point doesn't impress me any more than getting an undeserved win against Bury on Tuesday. We got lots of wins in his first season here but we certainly didn't deserve them. Look I know you think I'm boringly negative but until I see something positive, even if we lose, there will be no more credit from me, sorry.
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