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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 5, 2024 21:44:48 GMT
Unreal
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 5, 2024 21:45:02 GMT
Game of 2 halves Where was that second half performance in the first half? ?
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Post by chip on Mar 5, 2024 21:55:53 GMT
Please forgive me everyone for doubting us tonight I put the full time scores on and unbelievable Jeff we have drawn 2-2 I swear I will never switch off again I can’t wait for the highlights on YouTube tomorrow bloody well done to everyone for a second half comeback COYWM
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Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 5, 2024 21:57:36 GMT
well, got my draw prediction right. 2-2 rather than 1-1. could have even nicked it at the end. at one point early in the 2nd half, they had 6 on target to our 1. by the end it was 8 to 6 in our favour. ridiculous. not tactics just desperation. just simply had to attack, and couldn't keep messing about with it. & when we did, they were struggling to cope with it. try doing it at the start !!!!! reminded me of that story you hear about Geoff Boycott and Brian Close. cricmash.com/conflicts-controversies/2015/1/24/geoff-boycott-and-brian-close-two-yorkshiremen-at-loggerheadsBoyc's is blocking and defending as per usual. we do the equivalent of passing around at the back trying to "tire the oppponent out" going side to side...creating nothing/little. Brian Close walks up to Boyc's and says " get a move on or else i'll wrap this flaming bat round your neck "... and knowing Closey he wouldn't be joking either and Boycs would know that too. Boycs then " hits 146 sparkling runs against Surrey, with 15 fours and three sixes, with flamboyance and attractive stroke-play that no one ever saw him demonstrate before or since. ( < see link above ).
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Post by davidm on Mar 5, 2024 22:00:15 GMT
In the end, how did we not win that?
Bodvarsson hit the post.
Maghoma hit the keeper when clean through and the ball fizzed across the box endlessly.
Nothing though can excuse the first 60 minutes. Barnsley physically bullied us and we couldn’t cope.
But then the final 40 minutes, we slaughtered them.
Good move for the first goal but it looked like the equaliser would not come.
Correct decision for the penalty but Sheehan made a real mess of it. Thank goodness Williams was awake.
Barnsley are another side who I don’t want to see again. Just physical pressure football (like Stevenage). Unfortunately that style of football gets results but it is really basic.
Hopefully, we will leave them behind at the end of the season.
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Post by davidm on Mar 5, 2024 22:08:38 GMT
And, by the way, I told you we never lose to Barnsley - in the league!
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Post by OohMac on Mar 5, 2024 22:13:20 GMT
Bloody hell. Boltons performance is like the Great British weather. Sleet and snow in the morning, midday floods and a lovely spring afternoon.
Some Retractions. I said we should have taken GT off. He managed his game on a yellow well injecting that urgency.
We played really well. Why can't we have a whole game of that tempo? We'd win this league at a canter.
We climb to 2nd. We've undoubtedly got away with one. It's still in Barnsleys hands 3 behind with a game in hand and better GD.
Maybe sleep on it before the ratings
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 5, 2024 22:45:53 GMT
I was disappointed to read all the slagging on here and the general agreement about Thomason's yellow, which was brought about by a useful tackle, the sort that has brought him so many debatable cards this season. That
was unlucky and his ill luck compounded by the unfortunate position he found himself in to fail to collect a pass out from Coleman, which was intercepted by their press, a press which also saw Santos often outpaced.
From a red card waiting to happen surely we must all see that the whole team was affected and the football we needed didn't happen until George threw caution to the wind and inspired our recovery and the surge that should with
any luck have brought victory. I found the draw acceptable under the circumstances, but really with any luck the points should have been ours. I say full marks to Ian Evatt for keeping George on the field, and a word, too for Cam
Cameron Jerome who won us a penalty.
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Post by chip on Mar 6, 2024 8:35:21 GMT
Ehh by gum there's a war of words going on over on the BEN sight with a 30 to 70 split on last night let's say lucky or well played 2-2 draw which we all know could have gone one way or the other. For me I will admit after they scored there second I was heartbroken so turned it off and I will pay the £5 to subscribe to get to watch the second half in full. There will be a lot more twists & turns before this season is over but unless I'm not able to watch it I will not be switching off again. COYWM
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Post by davidm on Mar 6, 2024 10:01:32 GMT
A match of two sections. The first 60 minutes we were poor and the final 40 minutes we were excellent.
In the end, whilst delighted with a point, we are disappointed not to have won.
I don’t agree with the manager that we controlled the first 25 minutes.
Barnsley were very physical and pressed us endlessly. We were never comfortable playing out from the back.
Yet again, Barnsley targeted Sheehan and kicked him from pillar to post. They did that with Bradley in the play-offs too. Thomason booked for his first foul but only one booking for Barnsley despite their attack on Sheehan. They tend to rotate the man doing the fouling. A really nasty approach to football in my mind.
We couldn’t cope with Barnsley’s physical approach and eventually paid the price when Thomason was caught in possession with our passing it out from the back approach. We were unlucky in that the tackle on Thomason squirted the ball straight to their man unmarked for an easy goal.
We were shaky after that for a while and the defence came under pressure from balls over the top which both Jones and Santos struggled with.
We had had only one dangerous attack when Jones got clear down the right. His cross/shot was blocked by the keeper and they scrambled the loose ball off the line.
Other than that, the first half was poor. There were a few half chances for Barnsley and I was desperate for the half time whistle.
Second half, we immediately got caught again. A corner landed in the box and we were so slow to react. There were a couple of opportunities to wallop the ball upfield but, Oh No, we don’t do that and we tried to pass it out of defence when their centre half did what our defenders should have done – he hammered it and into the net it went.
We were on the ropes now but, credit were credit is due, we somehow settled and scored an excellent goal. Sheehan was fouled for the umpteenth tine but he got up and played a quick forward (note the word forward) pass to Thomason who played a lovely pass to Collins down the right. Collins put a great centre in and Adeboyejo, credit to him, did what good strikers do. He tapped it in from a yard out.
And suddenly we were back in the game and we dominated from then on with a lot of fast play.
Collins got through on the right when he harassed the defender into a mistake. He was blatantly pulled back and should have had a penalty but the keeper blocked his effort.
The subs came on and continued the attacking.
Bodvarsson set up Jerome for what looked like an easy header but the defender somehow beat Jerome to the header.
Then an amazing moment. Jerome turned and set up Bodvarsson whose shot hit the post. Maghoma got to the rebound and his shot was blocked. He got to the rebound again and again the shot was blocked. I thought the shot was blocked by the defender’s arm but no penalty.
Maghoma then had a mazy run which finished with him one on one with keeper but the keeper blocked him.
Credit to the referee for giving 8 minutes extra time because Barnsley had used all sorts of time wasting throughout the second half but it looked like it would all end in failure until Jerome was grappled down for a penalty. The sort of penalty where sometimes the referee says 50/50 but it was a penalty.
Sheehan then put in an awful penalty but credit Williams for being awake and putting in the rebound.
We still had time for a late corner but couldn’t get another goal.
A tremendous fight back.
The first half was horrendous. Yet again, we failed to play well against an aggressive side (beware Stevenage!) who really deserve to stay and play this sort of football in league 1. There are so many of these sides who play this type of football. They succeed at this level (Rotherham, Sheff Wed) but can’t do it the Championship.
Let’s hope that we can play like the final 30 minutes at Exeter and we will surely win.
Marks (the first 60 minutes prevents anyone getting over 7):-
Coleman - 7 Apart from a couple of poor kick outs, he did really well. No fault on the goals.
Dacres-Cogley - 6 Still struggling a bit
Jones - 6 Got beaten with balls over the top too often. Much better when he went to wing back
Santos - 6 Similarly, got beaten over the top a few times.
Toal - 7 Solid. Not too sure about his involvement in the 2nd goal
Ogbeta - 6 Looks too shaky defensively to me
Sheehan - 7 Endlessly kicked. Did well not to react. The usual good passing and involvement. Terrible penalty.
Dempsey - 6 Some running but nothing really creative.
Thomason - 7 Bad mistake for the 1st goal and, of course, his usual booking. Did very well second half. Should have scored
Adeboyejo - 6 Took his chance well like a proper striker but all our 1st half attacks broke down with him losing possession
Collins -7 Good. Great centre for the 1st goal. Was pulled back when he got through later on.
Iredale - 7 Good. He is a much more solid defender
Maghoma - 7 Some good runs. Missed a great chance after a tremendous run
Bodvarsson - 6 Hit the post. He and Jerome kept the pressure on the Barnsley defence
Jerome -7 I don’t say this often but he was good. Almost scored with a header, set up Bodvarsson when we hit the post and won the penalty
Williams - 7 Wide awake for the goal
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 6, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
Well you can’t argue about the entertainment last night and what a fantastic comeback after needlessly going two down. I think pretty much everything’s been said about the actual match but I’d like to point out that our first goal scored by Victor is exactly what he’s good at, balls played in front of him into the six yard box that he can run on to. In Evatt’s system we must never play to his strengths and I suspect that’s what will happen to Collins if we’re not careful, fitting into a rigid system rather than playing to his strengths. I’d hope that Evatt learned something about that last night because for me that second half when we abandoned the slow build up we were absolutely electric and Barnsley couldn’t live with us. Sadly I fear we’ll be back to the usual fare at Exeter but even so the players must have taken enormous confidence from that performance even if not the final result?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 6, 2024 12:56:33 GMT
Could it not be argued that, because of Evatt’s system, for 60 minutes, we spent more time faffing about and worrying about what Barnsley can do to us, rather than the latter 20+ minutes of what we can do to them?
From hardly making their keeper touch the ball with his hands for over an hour, he then makes 5 or 6 game changing saves that, had we started in this vein and gone against the Evatt system, he’d have been touching the ball more frequently picking it out of the net!!
After that poor first half where every player had zero credit, we return with no changes until Dacres gets injured and although he swapped things around on 70 with the extremely disappointing Demps and Ogbeta for Mag and Randell, we suddenly went into turbocharge, but not because of these 2 subs in my view, I just think the players vacated the system and went for it. Barnsley hardly laid a punch on us in that last 20 and though Toal and Jones moved positions, they hardly had anything to flap about, even Coleman looked more comfy (his distribution last night was dreadful - every kick long going into the stands)
Evatt got lucky but Bolton deserved more than the draw on that last 20, if we’d have gone from the off, we’d have maxed all the points (from the off - Every poster on here and the BN and Aces and LoVS saying the same)
We are quality when we go for it as no team in this league can live with us
So who gets dropped against Exeter as our last MoM didn’t get a start (Mag)
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Post by davidm on Mar 6, 2024 13:03:59 GMT
So who gets dropped against Exeter as our last MoM didn’t get a start (Mag) For the Exeter game, I would go:- Coleman Toal, Santos, Iredale Jones, Williams Sheehan, Thomason, Maghoma Collins, Adeboyejo and, as you say go for it from the start
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Post by OohMac on Mar 6, 2024 13:45:34 GMT
This is the issue I have with Evatt. I think we should all be really happy we've gone and got a point against the odds, late in the game. Should galvanise. Shot in the arm. But in all honesty I can see 70m on the clock Exeter 0 Bolton 0. 70% possession with 2 half chances.
You look at Arsenal's form. Hitting teams for 5s and 6s has become weekly thing now. They've really started putting teams to the slaughter. And its the same players. They haven't signed Mbappe and Haaland. Just a confidence to know what they're capable of. Handbrake off and they're flying. I know we could be the same with what we have but haven't found that va va voom, to stay on the Arsenal theme.
I have an odd unsettling feeling that it may be Collins who gets left out in rotation bingo. Or "Play well win a weeks holiday leave"
Iredale seems to be preferred over Forrester. So assume that will be the 3 with Jones and Williams hopefully fit enough. That's probably my back 5 for the season now as JDC hasn't produced good work for a while. I think when he came he was playing raw. Now he seems to second guess, over think possibly over coached. Fossey too started amazingly there. If he maintained that level he wouldn't be going club to club as he has. Connor Bradley. Hard to say a bad word but even he couldn't maintain his fast start(he would have ended the season on 20 goals if he did)
I'm not retracting the part last night when I said I don't have the appetite for L1 EvoBall next year. If he fails we need a new way next season with or without him.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 6, 2024 15:03:17 GMT
Maybe we should all remember - There are two sides to every football match- and a club manager is more aware of that than any of us.
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