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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 12, 2024 10:40:55 GMT
I’d love to be positive, I really would…
Bit of added spice to this one with a certain Kieran Sadlier ready to face his old manager and no doubt prove a point
He even scored against the Posh at the weekend
I am completely not confident on this at all given our recent performances At 2-2 at their place, they looked the more likelier of the 2 to get the win, but we somehow made the scoreline flatter to deceive.
I do wonder what we would achieve with a Collins-JDB pairing, but I think that with JDB not exactly prolific in the box and Collins playing almost on the left wing as supplier to the front man, this would probably not be as profitable as some would think, so for me, he just has to start with Collins and Dion and hope they can find some sort of rhythm together
I can’t see Evatt bowing to these expectations from some supporters, so I guess he’ll continue to select DC & VA until they prove any doubters wrong
One worrying stat from that Wycombe Peterborough game, Wycombe managed the 5-2 win with just 32% possession, had 15 shots, with 7 on target, so Evatt Ball might just suit WW to a tee
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Post by davidm on Feb 12, 2024 11:41:05 GMT
I’d love to be positive, I really would… I am completely not confident on this at all given our recent performances Interesting comments regarding form. If you look at the last 6 games, the points gained are:- Portsmouth - 13 Derby - 11 Bolton - 11 Barnsley - 13 Peterborough - 7 Stevenage - 10 Oxford Utd - 6 Blackpool - 11 Leyton Orient - 13 If you look at the last 10 games, the points gained are:- Portsmouth - 17 Derby - 20 Bolton - 20 Barnsley - 21 Peterborough - 15 Stevenage - 17 Oxford Utd - 12 Blackpool - 14 Leyton Orient- 20 So only Barnsley and Leyton Orient have better records than us. I accept that recent performances have been a bit iffy but so must our competitors.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 12, 2024 11:50:13 GMT
Not only did Sads score rioch but he was also rated as 3rd best performer in their fans poll and you can just bet he’ll be doing his best to put one over on us and like you I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. To be fair though with the right side we should still be much too good for Wycombe but my fear is will it be the right side? It certainly wasn’t on Saturday with a totally rookie, disjointed defence. Firstly I wouldn’t be starting any of Taylor, Ramsey or Ashworth simply because we don’t need to now the majority of our regulars are back other than at LWB where surely Ogbeta must start. JDC has to be RWB and the back three should be Jones Toal and Iredale. What a difference Jack made when he came on and I honestly don’t understand his critics.
In midfield without George do we start Paris, Morley or CMG? Frankly any should be good enough to cover for George but I think I’d go for Paris. Up front we surely can’t start with Dion and Vic again so on the basis that you can’t leave out your top goalscorer I’d partner Dion with Collins but whilst can understand a case for Carlos and Collins or Carlos and Dion even, I don’t expect CMG to start. Evatt’s not known for bold decisions, stubborn ones maybe but not bold so it would not surprise me a bit if he still kept Dion and Victor up top. Whoever he starts the bench is going to be interesting because they can’t all be included. In fact he’s lucky we have no sub keeper because that would make his choices even harder. I’m glad I’m not picking. 🫣
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 12, 2024 12:32:32 GMT
I’d love to be positive, I really would… I am completely not confident on this at all given our recent performances Interesting comments regarding form. If you look at the last 6 games, the points gained are:- Portsmouth - 13 Derby - 11 Bolton - 11 Barnsley - 13 Peterborough - 7 Stevenage - 10 Oxford Utd - 6 Blackpool - 11 Leyton Orient - 13 If you look at the last 10 games, the points gained are:- Portsmouth - 17 Derby - 20 Bolton - 20 Barnsley - 21 Peterborough - 15 Stevenage - 17 Oxford Utd - 12 Blackpool - 14 Leyton Orient- 20 So only Barnsley and Leyton Orient have better records than us. I accept that recent performances have been a bit iffy but so must our competitors. Thanks for that davidm I do like it when folk go to the trouble of coming back with a thoughtful response and showing all the important stats as you have done and yes it should make my fears evaporate with the evidence shown. So why am I so worried about tomorrow nights game? I guess, when you look back at some of those games that have yielded the 20 points, apart from Carlisle away, we’ve hardly shown the entertaining forward pressing exciting football with goals a plenty We’re so far off being the full package, but then, am I expecting too much? I’d say no, given the quality of squad and the recent purchase of Collins When we race into a 3-0 lead at break-neck speed as per Leyton Orient and then hang on for dear life at the end, followed by mediocre performances where we’ve scraped a draw (Barnsley & Northampton), won with an own goal (Burton), won at Lincoln in the 88th min, scored in 24 mins then hung on all the rest of the game (Cheltenham) Leyton away with just one shot on target and plenty of the ball Reading the comments on the City v Everton game on the Beeb and the negative responses to Pep Ball were in abundance, it’s getting like that here, all the gear with no idea David, this squad should be delivering far more than they are doing Is that the player’s, the system or just out and out Evatt?? (or all 3) I believe we should be romping this league with the best attacking flowing football for miles, given what we have, but it’s becoming a struggle I stand to be corrected 😬😬
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Post by davidm on Feb 12, 2024 13:15:23 GMT
I totally agree that we should be delivering more at the moment. Looking at the squad, it looks really strong. Whites63 makes a good point about how do we keep all 25+ players happy and I think that is one of two problem areas. Firstly, the manager seems to be obsessed with using all his players. I accept in a week or two when the Tuesday/Saturday games may have drained players but at the moment please play your best players. We play a wing back system and suddenly he is messing about with those positions. I know that parent clubs wish (expect?) their loan players to be on the pitch every game but at the moment it is detrimental to us. Could anyone justify Ramsay’s position ahead of Dacres-Cogley on Saturday? Apart from one run by him, we were devoid of any attacking down the right until the half time changes when Jones made numerous runs. This is not particularly a go at Ramsay but the wing backs are fundamental to our shape and Saturday was awful. I slightly also agree that Ashworth, despite his 2 goals, is not a wing back. We are also playing a young inexperienced lad at centre half in Taylor. Is this another "loan agreement” playing? When he went off injured (for the second successive match!), we improved considerably in defence with Jones, Toal and Iredale as the back 3. So my comment on this is, don’t unnecessarily mess the team around for the sake of playing the loan players.
My second point on recent poor performances relates to the front two. The manager seems to be sticking to his stubborn belief that Charles and Adeboyejo is the combination for us. They had a good spell earlier in the season but recently it has been so poor. Neither of them can hold the ball up. Charles compensates for this by endless running/harrying but, for me, Adeboyejo does little. What this results in is the ball immediately coming back at us and the midfield having no chance to join in the attack because the ball is lost so quickly. Bodvarsson has the skill to hold the ball and bring other players in and we spent considerable money on last year’s League 1 Player of the Year so we have got to use them.As I said, we have the basis for a very good side but play to our strengths, don’t keep messing the side around and get the strikers performing. Easy isn’t it?
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 12, 2024 14:19:18 GMT
While agreeing with most of the relevant points made, particularly about the next team selection by Ian Evatt, I feel you are all a little bit flip about the midfield. True there seems to be just an either or on four
possibles, but having seen Sheehan particularly scragged in recent games and his wonderful supply cut off ( something Thomason has been nominated to protect) I wonder is it not time to give him better protection. Could not one
of our more nimble defenders adapt the Campo role and protect our creators, thus giving an improved supply to our failing strikers.
While talking up front I feel it is essential Vic is sidelined, and a place found for Bodvarsson, and Collins must appear wherever.
Wycombe did us a favour on Saturday. Hopefully we don't let them return the compliment with Evatt for once picking a sensible eleven (but don't bet on it).
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 12, 2024 17:40:35 GMT
Ok so we’ve now got 25 players when all fit but only 11 can start and I would think at least 4 of those are certs, Rico, Jones, Dion, Baxter. 7 on the bench makes 18 on a match day of which only a max of 5 can play, making 16. That means 9 won’t play. Unless Evatt is planning to chop and change that 16 regularly some of those players will miss out regularly. Not playing the likes of Ashworth, Taylor and Ramsey is probably going to upset not just the players but also their clubs who’ve sent them here for development and might not be inclined to provide future loans if they’re not played. If Evatt does play them how does that sit with Forester and JDC on one side and Ogbeta, Iredale and Williams on the other and more critically either Rico or Eoin Toal in the middle for Taylor to play. I’m not trying to find problems here but it really does concern me that just when we need everyone pulling together on the run in we could have some disaffection in the squad. It could also colour the make up of the team Evatt does select affecting the teams performance if those players selected don’t perform as was the case on Saturday. I’m worried I don’t mind admitting.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 12, 2024 20:02:54 GMT
Simple resolution W63
Always play your best 11 and if that means upsetting the loan clubs then so be it. We’ll just have to look elsewhere if certain donor clubs don’t like what we are doing I mean, we didn’t do a bad job with Traff and Bradders and they didn’t always play for one reason or another, so let’s just roll with it and select the best 11 (of which Taylor, Ramsey and Ashworth shouldn’t be classed in that 11)
So its a straightforward choice for me
Baxter (if fit)
Jones Santos (if fit) or Taylor Toal
Sheehan
Dacres-Cogley Thomasson (if cleared) or CMG Dempsey Iredale
Charles Collins
Imagine if we squeezed JDB into that front row with CMG behind!! That would have a cavalier feel to it, surely some goals too
What do I know? Jerome will play some part as usual
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Post by davidm on Feb 13, 2024 12:09:19 GMT
Yet again, another must win match.
Our rivals all have winnable games – hopefully one or two will slip up – so we need to get the 3 points after Saturday’s iffy performance.
I hope the manager reverts to a proper side – don’t play the loan players just to keep other clubs happy.
I would go Coleman, Jones, Toal and Iredale at the back with Dacres-Cogley and Ogbeta as wing backs.
On the assumption that Thomason’s appeal fails, I would have Sheehan, Dempsey (who had a totally average day on Saturday so owes us one) and Maghoma in midfield with Charles and Collins upfront.
How far that deviates from the manager’s thoughts, I really don’t know anymore.
It will be a hard game but we need to be positive and attack. If you look at the starts we made against Derby, Fleetwood and Leyton Orient at home, they are the sort of pressured attacking that we need to get back into the team.
It will be hard work but I go for a 2-0 win.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 13, 2024 12:17:29 GMT
I’d go with exactly that team too David but will Evatt? The only possible difference for me would possibly as you say play Collins behind Bod and Dion instead of CMG. I think Wycombe seem to have eventually found a team and system that works with their “new” manager so whoever we play tonight will need to be on their mettle. I’d be overjoyed with a 2-0 win or even a scrappy one niller as long as we win which we must do to keep ahead of the chasing pack. Derby could have a task on tonight at Exeter who also seem to have picked up so if they lose and we can win it will make a huge difference. Here’s hoping but we have to win first. 🫣
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 13, 2024 13:35:58 GMT
I’m probably staying the obvious here
Last time we faced WW (4-2 to us) they had just drawn 2-2 with Peterborough, is it coincidental that we face them again after they’ve just played the Posh or is that how the fixtures work?? (thick me😬)
Any road, they managed a 2-2 draw with Posh (A) the previous time with just 39% possession
If you look back at their games, whenever they come up against a top 8 side, their possession stats are consistently around the 39% mark. Is this a Bloomfield tactic?
They beat BR 3-2 with 34%, beat Cheltenham away 3-1 (40%) but to only have the ball for 32% of the 99 minutes against a much fancied Peterborough and do them 5-2!!! We’ve definitely got out work cut out tonight
A morale sapping 1-1 I fear
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Post by OohMac on Feb 13, 2024 14:01:50 GMT
Today has a real sink or swim feel to it. Think Ians have a bit of a bad couple of weeks and there's been a bit of a shift in mood.
Think some frustration in bringing Collins in but sticking with the painfully out of form pairing of Vic and Bod. AC has had to come on twice at 1-0 down and still managed to contribute. Surely he starts tonight.
JDB left out of Cambridge and not selected over Jerome on Saturday. Its not gone down at all well and I cannot fathom it.
His decision to not put a keeper on the bench means Baxter forced to play on and possibly further damaging an injury. Like making Dempsey playing with back pain it's not great management. He's tried to make it seem like it wasn't his fault "Baxters brave and wanted to carry on" sometimes you take that decision away but we never could because of his bench policy. Also unfair to put Baxter in that position. How would fans react to him going off knowing that Jerome would be going in?
His support for GTs 15th card of the season and 4th suspension. Indefensible.
And himself getting another red and then painting himself as a saint. No ones buying his and Athertons version.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 13, 2024 15:26:36 GMT
I certainly think the mood is on a tightrope at the moment and if Evatt picks the right team and we lose it will be one thing but if he’s stubborn and picks a team like Saturday I think things will turn very quickly. We need two wins this week no excuses and that means picking experienced players not young newbies. What would make it even worse? Sads having a blinder and scoring the winning goal!! 😟
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 13, 2024 16:04:17 GMT
Today has a real sink or swim feel to it. Think Ians have a bit of a bad couple of weeks and there's been a bit of a shift in mood. Think some frustration in bringing Collins in but sticking with the painfully out of form pairing of Vic and Bod. AC has had to come on twice at 1-0 down and still managed to contribute. Surely he starts tonight. JDB left out of Cambridge and not selected over Jerome on Saturday. Its not gone down at all well and I cannot fathom it. His decision to not put a keeper on the bench means Baxter forced to play on and possibly further damaging an injury. Like making Dempsey playing with back pain it's not great management. He's tried to make it seem like it wasn't his fault "Baxters brave and wanted to carry on" sometimes you take that decision away but we never could because of his bench policy. Also unfair to put Baxter in that position. How would fans react to him going off knowing that Jerome would be going in? His support for GTs 15th card of the season and 4th suspension. Indefensible. And himself getting another red and then painting himself as a saint. No ones buying his and Athertons version. Vic and Bod ? - they're certainly not Shooting Stars 🤣🤣🤣 i'll re-paste my comments about Wycombe from the clangers thread here : Wycombe on a mini run. 3 undefeated. 2 wins in a row. Wycombe haven't beat any of the top 10 sides away, but they have had creditable draws away at Derby and P'boro.
bookies odds. we're odds on as usual. 17/20 for the win. Wycombe 16/5. odds to get promoted. still odds on for that. Pompey 1st. 2/7 us 2nd. 1/2 Derby also odds on 8/15. presume they think 1 of us via the play offs. P'boro 11/10 next. then Barnsley 5/2. i'll predict 2-1 to us.
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Post by chip on Feb 13, 2024 18:49:59 GMT
I’m not sure about tonight because Ian will not be moved from his front two so it will be the same team as Saturday apart from GT not sure about the score other than a win COYWM
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