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Post by Woppy the Italian on Feb 4, 2024 17:13:05 GMT
A player commits a bookable offence, but the ref plays advantage planning to book the player a little later. The same player commits another bookable offence before being cautioned the first time round. Can the ref issue 2 yellow cards? The player could argue he wouldn't of took the risk of the 2nd foul if he knew he was already on a yellow. Anyone know the rule?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 4, 2024 17:21:14 GMT
I want to say a yellow card Wop, as it’s the refs judgement and decision making on the first foul that needed to be questioned
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Post by andyl on Feb 4, 2024 17:34:04 GMT
Two yellows = red. In practice ref will always tell( or indicate to offending player, ' You're booked' or ' I'm coming back for yellow.' or somesuch. So player should always know.
Only nuance is that he can't play a second advantage unless a clear goal scoring opportunity exists
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Feb 4, 2024 17:42:32 GMT
Thank you
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Post by andyl on Feb 4, 2024 19:25:39 GMT
One addendum. Answer stands for question as set, i.e ref decides offence is bookable..and.
Often though the ref will play advantage before making the yellow card judgment or not. If then the player commits a further offence it could make the refs mind up and he might then award the yellow card either for persistent misconduct or for the one off second offence. In this case he would not have indicated the first as a booking to come. I do not think a referee who had not immediately decided on the booking would issue two at the point of the second incident.
The first scenario rarely happens because warning has been given.
The only other common variation is that when a player gets his booking if he then gives the ref a mouthful he risks a yellow or red add on. Again though in most cases the ref would stick with the first caution and move away. Unless the player chased him or was foul or abusive or laid hands on him...
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Post by davidm on Feb 4, 2024 19:54:44 GMT
There was a situation with Michael Oliver and an Arsenal player – I thnk Martinelli a couple of years ago.
Very similar to your example.
Martinelli tried to prevent a quick throw in but failed so the referee gave advantage and allowed play to continue. Martinelli then committed a bookable offence and Oliver gave him 2 yellow cards.
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Post by davidm on Feb 4, 2024 19:56:12 GMT
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Feb 4, 2024 20:39:40 GMT
I presume Andy is right, that the ref will always let the player know he's gonna get booked. So if he commits another bookable offence before the ref comes back to him, he can't complain when he gets a red.
I wondered what would happen under the same circumstances if the ref hadn't indicated he was gonna book the player after the first foul. Just think a player is more careful when already on a yellow.
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