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Post by davidm on Mar 12, 2023 9:13:34 GMT
In January we signed Nlundulu, Williams, Jerome, Adeboyejo, Mbete and Shoretire. What a shocking set off signings. Nearly all of them started off getting injured. Can anyone say that any of them are better than Afolayan, Bakayoko or Sadlier again like you want to know where John was? I hadn’t heard of any injury and just hope he and Evatt haven’t had another fall out!! Here is your explanation:- Evatt explained that the decision to play Jones ahead of John was tactically motivated, and that Williams had offered more flexibility from the bench.
“It wasn’t an injury, I just felt their biggest attacking threat with the width was Wes Burns. I felt we needed to play an extra defender there,” he said.
“Randell gives us flexibility to play him on the left or right side, and Declan doesn’t, it was a pure decision based on what Wes Burns offers. He plays as a winger and we needed someone with a more defensive mind to take care of him.”
So no injury - just tactics. Which went wrong!
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Post by OohMac on Mar 12, 2023 9:58:03 GMT
That's the 2nd time this season that Evatt has publicly slammed Declan Johns defensive qualities. For a left back that wouldn't sit well with me.
Does anyone feel DJ is as bad at defending than Ian Evatt does.
Speaking of bad defending. Is it another free pass for "My Rico". On the break Ispwich had one striker in our half and Santos with him. How the heck does he get a free shot on goal. If he does a bit of magic, turns him inside out then fair enough but he makes a simple run and gets a free shot off. When does that ever happen for Charles.
Think I've made the points clear before. Don't rate Evatt as a tactician(Plan A), don't think he is a good coach at all and I don't think he's ego can handle bringing in coaching staff who are not friends.
His saving grace was his ability of recruit players in January who were better than what we had. For the first time we probably didn't need wholesale changes, he did anyway and it's not to the benefit of the club.
Think the best we've looked, well not even think, the best we've looked is when Ians prefects are injured and suspended and we have about 11 or 12 outfield players to play. The left back plays left. The midfielder plays in the middle.
We have a long gap between Sheff W and the next league game. If we lose. It will be agonising seeing the other teams coming for us. If we lose heavily it will be a real bad hangover. I never thought I'd say it but don't think we've got the fight for this playoffs. And if we did I don't think we're at the levels AND if we were promoted we would need 9 new starters! With the returning loans.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 12, 2023 12:27:17 GMT
In recent weeks the state of pitches has changed and so have our players' first touches, which might be one reason for this decline. The most important reason though, I feel, is the lack of a defensive midfield player in JD's absence. Ipswich's first goal came with too many of our defenders up attacking, and no-one was back ready for their very clever break. I have also not been too happy with Toal in recent weeks. I am not sure he is positioning correctly for a centre back, and his tackling has been substandard. Like everyone else I dislike Evatt's treatment of Declan John, and his excuse for excluding him yesterday. Equally he is asking too much of Bradley, who creates more with Jones behind him, Inviting the press with this slow passing from the goalkeeper is not only nerve-racking for supporters, but also for the third of fourth receiver, which was mostly Morley yesterday. Needless to say I am not impressed with Evatt starting with Shoretire when there is so much better experience in the squad. Maybe he could be used as a sub with the opposition tiring.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 12, 2023 12:47:08 GMT
Ken It seems to me that Shoretire is only here on a deal of ‘if he’s fit he must be played and from the start’
That was the wrong game for him yesterday
Man’s game at a crucial part of the season against a promotion rival, it’s not for kids and lightweight kids at that, so for me, Evatt got that wrong Same for Mbete, he got that wrong too
Lee should have started, perhaps even Jerome a starter
before that Adeboyejo (who was returning from injury)
On Adeboyejo, what is it, 1 goal in the 2 months he’s been here - woeful at this level
DJ needs to go in the summer, for his own sake, along with a few others that are struggling to cut it at this level and send the loans back and begin a rebuild in League One
I’ll stick my neck out and say it, Evatt needs to go too as I’m so bored with win-draw-loss-repeat, win-draw-loss-repeat
20,000 fans there yesterday and we couldn’t put on a show because the players are mirroring the manager, dull, uninspiring football 2 x 5 nil wins and he follows on with mixing and matching to suit his ego and all because….. HE IS BOSS
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 13, 2023 10:09:12 GMT
So does anybody else feel that’s the last we’ll see of Declan John? Evatt’s system requires wing backs not full backs and DJ for me is the perfect wing back who whilst may not be the best defender, though by no means the worst for me, his attacking makes up for it. Take that out and play a right footed Jones and as we saw, there’s absolutely no threat down our left side. Add to that an out of his depth Mbete and for me we got exactly what I expected. I do give Evatt some latitude on the basis that he’s a young and inexperienced manager who I’m sure will learn from situations like this. He got us promoted two years ago and stabilised us last year and despite Saturday could still get us promoted again this season. Whilst I have concerns about IE I still wouldn’t change him just yet. Whatever happens there will be big changes in the summer with so many contracts running out so let’s not get too down and hope that somehow we can make the play offs even if we don’t win them. 😉
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 13, 2023 10:46:02 GMT
So does anybody else feel that’s the last we’ll see of Declan John? Evatt’s system requires wing backs not full backs and DJ for me is the perfect wing back who whilst may not be the best defender, though by no means the worst for me, his attacking makes up for it. Take that out and play a right footed Jones and as we saw, there’s absolutely no threat down our left side. Add to that an out of his depth Mbete and for me we got exactly what I expected. I do give Evatt some latitude on the basis that he’s a young and inexperienced manager who I’m sure will learn from situations like this. He got us promoted two years ago and stabilised us last year and despite Saturday could still get us promoted again this season. Whilst I have concerns about IE I still wouldn’t change him just yet. Whatever happens there will be big changes in the summer with so many contracts running out so let’s not get too down and hope that somehow we can make the play offs even if we don’t win them. 😉 W63 Not just on here but also the BN, folk shrieking at the way we play out from the back. It’s nerve wracking WE ARE NOT MAN CITY and we are not good enough to be playing this way. That said, by-passing the midfield with a lump down field would probably be pointless with the small and nimble Dion Charles and the woeful Adeboyejo (anagram for Bakayoko) Hence having slightly better quality in the side at this stage of the season with Lee, DJ and Jerome (experienced at this level and above) would be more beneficial than using under 21’s that can’t battle at the money end of the season If JDB was fit, I’d be very surprised if Adeboyejo got in ahead of him or Dion, he’d be fighting with Kachunga to come off the bench. Been a waste of money he has Evatt is safe beyond this season and probably next or until Sharon decides she’s had enough so we’ll just have to put up with what we’ve got and see where it gets us
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 13, 2023 13:46:21 GMT
To be fair rioch I don’t have a problem playing it out from the back, we’ve actually done it well for periods until it becomes the awful walking, side to side example set by Rico and Traf. I really just can not understand the standing a yard or so away from a keeper to take a pass as all it does is invites the other teams press forwards and as we’ve seen causes us problems as we’re not good enough to deal with. The best example of it used well here was when Rico was out earlier in the season and Will Aimson took his place. Flanked by Johnson and Toal I thought we were superb. Aimson didn’t come as far back as Rico which meant we were much more able to move the ball forward quickly through midfield without drawing their attackers too far onto us. For the life of me I genuinely can’t understand why Evatt’s either allowing or encouraging this because if he is encouraging it in some barmy attempt to draw the other team out, it ain’t working and needs to stop.
As I’ve said, I like many things about Evatt but of course there are things I don’t too. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when team planning is happening because I’m sure the lack of confidence is entirely down to Evatt frightening the players about the threat from the opposition. Dropping John, especially as he wasn’t even on the bench to come on if a Jones wasn’t working just seemed madness to me and if John wasn’t hacked off enough already with Evatt, then I’m sure he is now after IE has virtually signalled he’s a useless full back which he most certainly isn’t. I can only assume Williams was included instead for his long throws but what a sad state it is if that’s the case? I think you have to be a little accepting of the situation in that sacking Evatt after what he’s already done and given we could still go up this year as well as appear in a Wembley final, the football world would think we’ve gone mad. Crowds are also at their highest for years so he must be doing something right? As you say, no way is Sharon going to get rid of him and I don’t think she should. All teams go through indifferent spells and were in one now but there’s plenty of time for us to come round which I believe we will and secure a top six spot starting with a win at Hillsborough on Friday and no I’m not mad, I genuinely think we could. 🥴
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 13, 2023 16:13:00 GMT
Gonna be tough playing it out from the back next season if Traff has gone back to Citeh as he’s been the instigator (from Evatt and Gilkes’s instructions no doubt) of the play out from the back. Somehow cannot see Joel Dixon being able to play this type of game Just done some calculations with my very own ‘Supa-Computa’ and I have us and Wycombe finishing on 79 points with Shrewsbury finishing on 71-75 My ‘Supa-Computa’ is of course where I predict we will all pick up or drop points in the run in, so GOALS FOR at this stage might prove as important as the points bagged just to see us over the line and face either Ipswich or Plymouth in the play off 2 legger We just cannot afford anymore NIL’S Go on…… What’s your predictions ?
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Post by OohMac on Mar 14, 2023 7:14:53 GMT
Ian Evatt said DJ wasn't in the team/squad purely on footballing reasons. In desperation he had to play and showed Evatt up because he clearly is better than Beck, Iredale, Williams and a better left back than Dapo and Sadlier.
The team were better with Aimson. Toal is better with a centre back who's main concern is defending. No surprise he's a shadow of himself now it's all gone back to Evattball.
How much credit to I give promotion from L2? We had Keiran Lee! No other L2 team could get a player like that. Add to that the top scorer from the year before, Sarcevic(team of the year) and the influx of Dapo, John, MJ, etc it's hardly surprising we went up. Do believe anyone with a coaching badge or a 10m swimming badge could get us up.
Last seasons "stabilising" job. Well didn't look stable in November and December. We were as bad as I've ever seen. We cried off games and then again January transfer window rescued us more than any coaching and tactical changes.
The players brought in hit the ground running, they play off instinct and Tuesday Saturday, Tuesday means little training and more just football. I do see deterioration every time we have a gap and Evatt can get them concentrating on his walking football.
Its impossible to say as we know but I always question could we be top 6 with say a Chris Wilder or Dean Holden. My answer is I think we'd be pushing Plymouth and Sheff Weds.
I know I'd get laughed at to suggest "Evatt Out" he doesn't deserve the sack even I know this but would be happy for an amicable split. Perhaps him taking a job like Stoke/West Brom/Watford(when they were available) a perceived better role and we could look elsewhere.
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Post by davidm on Mar 14, 2023 8:55:34 GMT
Ian Evatt said DJ wasn't in the team/squad purely on footballing reasons. In desperation he had to play and showed Evatt up because he clearly is better than Beck, Iredale, Williams and a better left back than Dapo and Sadlier. The team were better with Aimson. Toal is better with a centre back who's main concern is defending. No surprise he's a shadow of himself now it's all gone back to Evattball. How much credit to I give promotion from L2? We had Keiran Lee! No other L2 team could get a player like that. Add to that the top scorer from the year before, Sarcevic(team of the year) and the influx of Dapo, John, MJ, etc it's hardly surprising we went up. Do believe anyone with a coaching badge or a 10m swimming badge could get us up. Last seasons "stabilising" job. Well didn't look stable in November and December. We were as bad as I've ever seen. We cried off games and then again January transfer window rescued us more than any coaching and tactical changes. The players brought in hit the ground running, they play off instinct and Tuesday Saturday, Tuesday means little training and more just football. I do see deterioration every time we have a gap and Evatt can get them concentrating on his walking football. Its impossible to say as we know but I always question could we be top 6 with say a Chris Wilder or Dean Holden. My answer is I think we'd be pushing Plymouth and Sheff Weds. I know I'd get laughed at to suggest "Evatt Out" he doesn't deserve the sack even I know this but would be happy for an amicable split. Perhaps him taking a job like Stoke/West Brom/Watford(when they were available) a perceived better role and we could look elsewhere. OMac – you are so negative. This is the manager who has taken us from the dregs at the bottom of the football league to a play off position and a Wembley visit all within 3 seasons. You mention League 2 and players such as Kieran Lee, Doyle, Sarcevic, Afolayan, John, MJ etc. Well who signed them and got them into the team? You mention Dean Holden – please explain to me what he has achieved. I have great regard for him as an ex-Wanderers but his managerial record is nothing to shout about. We are having a poor spell at the moment but overall the last 3 seasons have been excellent
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Post by chip on Mar 14, 2023 8:58:38 GMT
In all honesty I think with the team we had in the old 4th division anyone would have got us up, last season was a bit sloppy at times but if we just played players in there correct positions we might have made the playoffs, then this season with a bit more quality players we would be in the top two. I know Ian is still learning his trade and he has done a good job but why didn’t we get a hand full of seasoned pros in to help us over the line instead of going and getting kid’s still wet behind the ears and don’t have what it takes to get us out of this league 🤷♂️. Maybe I’m just being grumpy but we are not good enough to mess about around the back just win the bloody games and get us out of this league then start playing better football with better players it can’t be that hard 🤷♂️ Onwards and upwards COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 14, 2023 9:57:04 GMT
In all honesty I think with the team we had in the old 4th division anyone would have got us up, last season was a bit sloppy at times but if we just played players in there correct positions we might have made the playoffs, then this season with a bit more quality players we would be in the top two. I know Ian is still learning his trade and he has done a good job but why didn’t we get a hand full of seasoned pros in to help us over the line instead of going and getting kid’s still wet behind the ears and don’t have what it takes to get us out of this league 🤷♂️. Maybe I’m just being grumpy but we are not good enough to mess about around the back just win the bloody games and get us out of this league then start playing better football with better players it can’t be that hard 🤷♂️ Onwards and upwards COYWM The reason we didn’t get a handful of seasoned pros chip, is because Evatt doesn’t want anybody questioning his methods and as we’ve found out with the likes of Sarce, Doyle, Dapo and probably John too, Evatt would quickly dispense of you if you do. That is my main problem with Evatt. He’s a young and still inexperienced manager who has a lot of learning to do and wants things doing only his way but on the plus side he is a thinker and whilst he gets it wrong by overthinking sometimes like Saturday, overall he’s done a genuinely good job since he’s been here. I do think we have a bit too much youth and are badly missing a true Captain to rally the troops when things go wrong. I’m sure Rico is a genuinely nice guy and popular in the dressing room but sometimes popularity isn’t what you want, it’s respect that you need and for that you sometimes have to make yourself unpopular at times. What disappoints me is that where we do have some experience it’s not being used. Starting Shoretire over Lee against Ipswich was just plain crazy to me as was leaving out John and in fact given Victors poor form so far and up against one of the best defences in L1 I’d have been tempted to start Jerome instead. As Davidm says, I think some are being overly negative on IE. He’s by no means perfect but then neither are the other managers quoted so I’m more than happy for him to stay and I don’t actually think there’s a question over that however the season ends up. 🤔
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Post by OohMac on Mar 14, 2023 17:55:40 GMT
Ian Evatt said DJ wasn't in the team/squad purely on footballing reasons. In desperation he had to play and showed Evatt up because he clearly is better than Beck, Iredale, Williams and a better left back than Dapo and Sadlier. The team were better with Aimson. Toal is better with a centre back who's main concern is defending. No surprise he's a shadow of himself now it's all gone back to Evattball. How much credit to I give promotion from L2? We had Keiran Lee! No other L2 team could get a player like that. Add to that the top scorer from the year before, Sarcevic(team of the year) and the influx of Dapo, John, MJ, etc it's hardly surprising we went up. Do believe anyone with a coaching badge or a 10m swimming badge could get us up. Last seasons "stabilising" job. Well didn't look stable in November and December. We were as bad as I've ever seen. We cried off games and then again January transfer window rescued us more than any coaching and tactical changes. The players brought in hit the ground running, they play off instinct and Tuesday Saturday, Tuesday means little training and more just football. I do see deterioration every time we have a gap and Evatt can get them concentrating on his walking football. Its impossible to say as we know but I always question could we be top 6 with say a Chris Wilder or Dean Holden. My answer is I think we'd be pushing Plymouth and Sheff Weds. I know I'd get laughed at to suggest "Evatt Out" he doesn't deserve the sack even I know this but would be happy for an amicable split. Perhaps him taking a job like Stoke/West Brom/Watford(when they were available) a perceived better role and we could look elsewhere. OMac – you are so negative. This is the manager who has taken us from the dregs at the bottom of the football league to a play off position and a Wembley visit all within 3 seasons. You mention League 2 and players such as Kieran Lee, Doyle, Sarcevic, Afolayan, John, MJ etc. Well who signed them and got them into the team? You mention Dean Holden – please explain to me what he has achieved. I have great regard for him as an ex-Wanderers but his managerial record is nothing to shout about. We are having a poor spell at the moment but overall the last 3 seasons have been excellent Granted when it comes to evatt I am negative. On the contrary I actually am positive about the players we have. Think we have one of the best squads in the league. Yes Ian signed good players but that's the point I made Keiran Lee isn't dropping down to 4th tier to turn out for Exeter and Port Vale. Doyle leading scorer on promotion goes back to same league. We were in a position that we shouldn't have been in and hopefully won't be again. I am really disappointed because I think through accident we actually landed on a good way of playing and winning and that was short lived. Granted Holden hasn't done much but I know he's well thought of in circles. I like his views when he's done comms for us. So just a personal opinion.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 14, 2023 22:07:17 GMT
I see all the results went against us tonight (as expected)
The other Wanderers are now just one win from overtaking us We could have beaten Ipswich and we should have beaten Ipswich
Why not?
Now we look over our shoulder at dropping out of the play offs and all for the sake of the Pizza Cup
Experience shows that Wycombe are better geared for the play offs and they have that important factor, winning momentum, (they’ve actually improved since GA’s departure)
So by the time Wednesday turn us over on Friday, we’ll just be 3 points ahead of WW and they’ll have 2 games in hand, plus our goal difference will be closer to theirs If SW hit us by a few
I feel so awful being so pessimistic but hey ho
Over to you Evatt🤔
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Post by OohMac on Mar 15, 2023 6:53:59 GMT
It is close now. But Wycombe do play in form Barnsley on Saturday and have still got to go to Ipswich.
Our GD is currently worth an extra point and I don't think any team has turned us over. 3 goal deficit is the biggest I believe and that's few and far between. So still advantage Bolton.
They seem to have a lot of games at home and new manager bounce can rub off.
Barnsley, if they don't do us a favour in that one waste a game in hand which brings them back into to the mix. They still have half a season to in 8 weeks. Still 3 games behind us. Tell me why they don't like Tuesdays as Bob Geldof should be asking? Well they will have to start playing sooner or later and lots of games. If that does for them what it did to us then who knows.
Derby too, seem strong and then have a slip. I really thought they'd be turning the screw on Plymouth. Can they handle the pressure.
And of course Peterborough won't feel out of it now either.
If it does go down to the wire some really interesting games to end the campaign.
Barnsley vs Posh Bristol R vs BOLTON Portsmouth vs Wycombe Sheff Wed vs Derby
Something tells me it's going go be multiple screens, laptops, phones that day.
I think we'll do it by the way. Think we have enough games we should win that it will make it too hard for Wycombe to better.
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