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Post by OohMac on Nov 14, 2022 18:32:59 GMT
Was listening to TheBuff in June and remember Marc and Henry debate who would be top talisman and they were of the opinion that Dapo, Charles, Bodvarsson and Baka could all get to 15 and Kachunga and Sadlier could get a fair few.
I was in agreement, although I do think that very few of Dapos goals came after November so thought he wouldnt get near and also that Charles was on a barren run before last game.
I never thought they would be this toothless. Shell shocked. No confidence at all.
Stil look back at Charles around the Sunderland game, getting an early ball and harassing defences.
Still think new manager gets these guys firing
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 14, 2022 20:24:34 GMT
exactly, you dont' need a bulletproof amazing goalscoring CV with no gaps or flaws, just a bit of promise. look at SJM or Coyle or Andy Walker. certainly the first 2 had scored most of their goals at lower levels in Scotland. up to 1989 Mcginlays playing for Elgin City. Walker probably had the strongest CV. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-one/top-scorersAaron Collins of Bristol is the 2nd topscorer in the Div with 10 lge goals. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Collins_(footballer) hardly an amazing CV. this is the first time he's played at lge 1. 2 years ago in Lge 2 he got 10 ( the year we went up ). last year he got 16 in lge 2 with FGR. when Stockton hit his big total last season, he had no real history either. what about 3rd topscorer in the lge, Colby Bishop ( of Pompey). got 9 goals. used to play with ACCY. similar age to Charles. yet his best figures at accy were just 10 a season !! Dion hit almost double that when he was there !!. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colby_Bishopwhat about Jevani Brown on 9 goals, or Nombe of Exeter on 8. again no great scoring records at this level. Alfie May last season getting 20'ish. again . no record of playing/scoring at this level or above. you could go & on. Ross Stewart last season for Sunderland signed from Ross County. or Michael Smith at Rotherham getting 19 goals. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Smith_(footballer,_born_1991)#Career_statistics hardly prolific before that. steady but not that great.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 15, 2022 10:17:07 GMT
Very good summary rtf and illustrates my point that no striker is going to be successful without either being played to his strengths or heavily assisted by the players around him providing chances. For me our strikers are wasted chasing around defenders instead of working on being in the right place, you can’t do both. Concentration is essential and if you know where your colleagues are going to put the ball you can anticipate it and work on being there but if your attention is constantly on chasing after a defender you’re rarely going to be in the right position and when you are you’ll just snatch at it which is what’s happening. I know Evatt has a system he wants to play and sometimes you have to persevere until it’s right but for me at the moment, we’re going backwards instead of getting better. It also means we don’t play players who don’t adapt like Dapo, Sadlier and John whilst playing the “workers” like Charles, Kachunga and Iredale. We’re not even a patch on what we were last season and I’m certain that if we were able to play ourselves from then, this current team would lose comfortably. We might be 7th in the league but which of us can seriously say that it’s not without a fair amount of good fortune? I’ll still back Evatt to get it right but he has to lose his ego first, accept he needs to change his plan and at least start our best players in their best positions.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 15, 2022 10:22:33 GMT
Read an article about how Ian thinks Sarurday was progression. Thought i'd leave it but couldnt
Checked the form table both over 6 and 10 games Cambridge are relegation on form. Over 10, which is a good old chunk, they are 2nd bottom. 7 defeats.
Were pleased with 0-0 Trafford MoM. And we had 11 men for 75mibs.
Only team lower is Forest Green. They too have lost 7 from 10. They have only managed to win won in that 10 so I hope we get to play them soon. Oh no, we have, thats us that 1!
Still not doom and gloom. Were still in(oh wait no were not)
Ended my rant by saying Evatt should only be allowed a january budget based on player sales. Lets see how good his recruitment is. Might think twice about treating Declan John so badly
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 15, 2022 10:38:12 GMT
Evatt should have gone after that first round FA cup defeat in my opinion AT HOME TO BARNSLEY ffs RUBBISH Watched the East Lancs derby earlier and the Dingles from Ewood played the Evatt - Pep game and duly got battered All that pissin about from the goalie passing to his defenders along his 15 yard line and they got caught out twice, just the same way we do when we follow Evatt’s game plan Even Pep gets it wrong in the majority of occasions, he just has the talent to pull him out the shitexactly Rioch, don't know if you saw Match of the day at the wk/end with City v Brentford. Brentford murdered them as they just weren't willing to fall into their traps. here's some hi-lites of it i've found off youtube. unfortunately it goes into some weird 9 screen cam probably to avoid copyright issues. but love that bit at 1.32. Brentford goalkick...are they gonna be stupid enough to walk straight into the press, and play out from the back. no they are not. City commit men upfield. so best thing to do..wallop...........bypass the bloody lot of them hit Toney who is great for winning aerials. 3rd best stats in the Div for aerials won. Mitrovic also a beast in the air, which is a big reason why Fulham will probably stay up too. Fulham are clever with their style. not all long. play a fair bit of footie, but not afraid to use the aerials too. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023I think about pressing a bit like -coming to the net at tennis. if you've got someone on the back foot, you can advance and get into the net. which is effectively what you're doing when you push up to pin someone in. if you advance to the net, you'd got to be sure you can't be lobbed, otherwise you are in trouble. it's just utter madness from a re-start, like a goal kick, to volunteer yourself into that heavy press, when they 've got 4 or 5 waiting for you. it'd be like someone serving really short in tennis to your opponent pushed up high to the net, waiting for you to hit it short, so they could instantly clobber your ball out for a winner. how demoralising for Citeh must it have been, to set up with 4 or 5 high up the pitch at each goal kick, to instantly be bypassed. you're killing their strategy and making them look like mugs. it's not about long or short, right or wrong, it's just good tactics. force your opponent to do something they don't want to be doing. Brentford are not going to win against them by outpassing them. it wasn't all big hoof, the other goal was a clever counter using pace & almost got another in same style. etc. but the 1st was a set piece and aerial. BSA must have been rubbing his hands if he watched it. doesn't work now does it, game moved on has it !?? clearer vid here, but just the main chances, not tactical stuff. 8 shots on target they had AWAY at man city & many were big chances. don't know how they cocked up that last one. should have been 1-3.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 15, 2022 12:22:16 GMT
Decent post that RTF and well highlighted (the tennis analogy)
Ashton United have made a ‘very cheeky’ bid for the non World Cup playing Erling Haaland as he’ll be surplus to requirements for the next month
What about the Wanderers putting in a cheeky bid for Ronaldo🤔😂
That said, he’d end up punching Evatt Actually Why don’t we just replace Evatt with Ronaldo as player coach😂
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 15, 2022 19:26:15 GMT
Decent post that RTF and well highlighted (the tennis analogy) Ashton United have made a ‘very cheeky’ bid for the non World Cup playing Erling Haaland as he’ll be surplus to requirements for the next month What about the Wanderers putting in a cheeky bid for Ronaldo🤔😂 That said, he’d end up punching Evatt Actually Why don’t we just replace Evatt with Ronaldo as player coach😂 I suspect the reputed £600k a week Ronaldo is on may have something to do with it?? 🥴
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 15, 2022 19:39:22 GMT
It’s not all about money W63
I’d don a Wanderers shirt for free😂😂
Just don’t think they’d ask me though😞 Although I’d still score more than our strikers and I prefer playing between the sticks🙄😂😂
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Post by OohMac on Nov 16, 2022 17:57:11 GMT
Looks like Luton are going for Rob Edwards. Who has landed two jobs a league above this season.
Do think it would be a good way to part if a club came in. Amicable. Let him move on, bit of money back for him and his staff, do they want Santos in Jan? £1M will do nicely and we look for a team with the appetite to start with basics and build up. Rather than Pretend Pep.
I'd happily see him at Wigan. James Mclean might not
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 17, 2022 1:48:53 GMT
Looks like Luton are going for Rob Edwards. Who has landed two jobs a league above this season. Do think it would be a good way to part if a club came in. Amicable. Let him move on, bit of money back for him and his staff, do they want Santos in Jan? £1M will do nicely and we look for a team with the appetite to start with basics and build up. Rather than Pretend Pep. I'd happily see him at Wigan. James Mclean might not Evatt’s on too good a thing here to move OM, unless an offer came in from a seriously big club and I can’t see any way that’s going to happen personally. If he did though, it would be interesting to see if he came back for Rico? I suspect not however much he bulls him up and certainly not for £1m. In fact I’m not sure there’s anybody here that he’d come in for, which probably says something really?Maybe Kachunga? He’s not going anywhere so let’s hope he has a plan to turn things round quickly because the longer we stay down in L1 the more difficult it’s going to be to recruit the necessary players to get out. I’m sure FV were hoping he’d have found a player or two to sell on by now but that’s not going well is it and they’ve no serious money without that. We need 3 points on Saturday which should give everybody a boost and hopefully put us back in the top 6. It must happen at some time so fingers crossed it’s Fleetwood that helps us turn the corner?
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Post by OohMac on Nov 17, 2022 8:44:35 GMT
Looks like Luton are going for Rob Edwards. Who has landed two jobs a league above this season. Do think it would be a good way to part if a club came in. Amicable. Let him move on, bit of money back for him and his staff, do they want Santos in Jan? £1M will do nicely and we look for a team with the appetite to start with basics and build up. Rather than Pretend Pep. I'd happily see him at Wigan. James Mclean might not I’m sure FV were hoping he’d have found a player or two to sell on by now but that’s not going well is it and they’ve no serious money without that. We need 3 points on Saturday which should give everybody a boost and hopefully put us back in the top 6. It must happen at some time so fingers crossed it’s Fleetwood that helps us turn the corner? Sure FV are wondering where the bids are. This really is supposed to be phase 2. They must wonder why thier assets Dapo, Morley are on the bench and Charles badly misfiring . I don't know too much about Fleetwood. Scott Brown and Josh Vela in makes me think that theyll have a certain way of playing that doesn't bode well for us. Really got very little faith atm, draw?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 17, 2022 10:25:17 GMT
Should we get beaten or earn a miserable draw v Fleetwood on Saturday, Football Ventures should be reassuring the suffering supporters of their master plan and that the club is ‘where they expect to be’ but also asking the manager for a full explanation as to the inconsistencies of his management this season.
Sharon Michael and Nick might have bought the rights to hold the BWFC keys to the stadium but this will always be our club and owners come and go. Yes, we thank them for their investment and that they saved us in the 11th hour, but if they cannot move us further forward then they must move on themselves.
Look at Coventry!!! They’ve been through more mills than we have and now look at them, there’s Mike Ashley and Doug King waiting to buy them up. Not forgetting that Mark Robins is doing a brilliant job there and they’ll get 20-25,000 fans as they climb the Championship table
Bournemouth!! Look like they’re getting bought out Derby, new owners with money
Yes, FV are the tenants, but we will always be the landlords So get your act together, either get more investment from other sources to improve our squad (which is not good enough to get us promoted) or move on and take Evatt with you
Somethings got to change
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Post by OohMac on Nov 17, 2022 19:32:10 GMT
I'm no Lord Sugar, but seems short sighted to buy a small premiership club like Bournemouth rather than a well supported championship, L1 club and invest in players to get you there.
Still remember Sharrons Cowgills interview where she mentioned 3 years and out. She wont want to take any gambles and on the face of it Evatt is a safe bet. Hes there or thereabouts. Why rock the boat? Greener grass and fire or frying pan?
But as a fan we see more. And suspect more. And I suspect Ian cannot keep this dressing room happy. Hes lost them and whilst he has his "January window" card up his sleeve I believe the cheaper option is actually maintain 90% of this group with an experienced coach.
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